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Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:54 pm      Reply with quote
Hello all, I am looking for a suggestion for a low pH cleanser to use with my Vitamin C seurm. It is my understanding that when you apply a C serum you must either wait 20-30 minutes after you cleanse to allow your skin to regain normal pH, OR you can use a cleanser with a pH of less than 5.5, as in the Obagi C Rx protocol. This would allow you to apply your C serum right away without the long wait. I might use the Obagi cleanser but it is kind of expensive. Does anyone use any other low pH cleansers that are less expensive? I checked the pH of my trusty Cetaphil but it is over 6 unfortunately.
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Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:24 pm      Reply with quote
I am copying this from another skincare site (Diana Yvonne.com)



The pH of Common Cleansers

The following list the pH of some of the more popular cleansers/soaps.

AHAVA Soaps 5.5
Alpha Hydrox Foaming Face Wash 6.1-6.5
Alpha Hydrox Optimum Series Moisturizing Cleanser 6.3-6.5
Beauty Without Cruelty Vitamin C Cleanser 6.0-6.5
Burt’s Bees Tomato, Carrot, and Lettuce soaps 10
Camay Soap 9.5
Camocare Gold Light Foaming Cleanser 6.5-7.0
Cellex-C Betaplex Cleanser 5.0-5.5
Cetaphil cleanser 6.7
Dermalogica Exfoliants: 3.4-3.9
Dermalogica The Bar 5.5
Dermalogica Dermal Clay Cleanser 6.2
Dial Soap (liquid and bar) 9.5
Dove Bar, Baby Dove Bar 7
Dr. Bonner Liquid Soaps 8
Earth Science Clarifying Facial Wash 5.0-5.5
Earth Science ADE Creamy Cleanser 5
Earth Science Apricot Facial Scrub Cream 5
Earth Science Aloe-Gel Cleanser Liquid 5
Ecco Bella Normal/Oily Cleanser 6.5-7.0
GlyTone Mild Cream Wash 3.4%GA, 3.5
GlyTone Mild Gel Wash 4.7% GA, 3.8
GlyTone Wipe Away Cleanser 7.8% GA, 3.8
Irish Spring Soap 9.5
Ivory Soap 9.5
Jevelle Magick Clear Gentle Apricot Scrub 5
Johnson & Johnson Head to Toe Baby Wash 6.5-7.0
Johnson & Johnson 5.5 5.5
Lever 2000 9
MD Forte Cleansers pH 3.8
MD Forte Facial Cleanser II 15%GA 3.8
MD Formulations Sensitive Skin Cleanser 4.4
MD Formulations Basic Facial Cleanser 5.5
MD Formulations Oily/Problem Cleanser 3.8
Neutrogena Deep Clean Facial Cleanser 3.8-4.6
Neutrogena Deep Clean Cream Cleanser 2.8-3.8
Neutrogena Deep Clean Cleansing Cloths N/A
Neutrogena Extra Gentle Cleanser 5.6-6.2
Neutrogena Extra Gentle Cleansing Bar 6.0-7.5
Neutrogena Facial Cleansing Bar Original Formula 8.7-9.2
Neutrogena Fresh Foaming Cleanser 6.2-6.9
Liquid Neutrogena 8.7-9.1
Neutrogena Pore Refining Cleanser 3.7-4.2
Neutrogena Cleansing Bar for Acne-Prone Skin 8.7-9.2
Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash 3.6-4.4
Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash Cream Cleanser 3.6-4.4
Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash Foam Cleanser 3.5-4.2
Nutribiotic Non-soap skin cleansers 5.3-5.7
Olay Foaming Face Wash - 6.85-7.36
Olay Foaming Face Wash - Sensitive Skin 6.6 - 7.35
Olay Emollient Cleansing Lotion 6.0 - 7.2
Olay ADS Daily Renewal Cleanser 2.9 - 3.25
Olay ProVital Revitalizing Cleanser 2.9 - 3.25
Olay Daily Facials Normal/Dry 6.9 (when wet)
Olay Daily Facials Normal/Oily 7.6 (when wet)
Palmolive soap 10
Paula’s Choice (all formulations) 5.5
Physician's Choice pHaze1: Facial Wash 5%AHA 6
Physician's Choice pHaze1: Facial Wash oily/problem 7%AHA 5
Purpose Facial Cleanser 6.5-7.0

I can't vouch for its accuracy, but I believe it comes from a knowledgeable source. HTH

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Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:49 pm      Reply with quote
Boy Lacy! You're a step ahead of me - I was actually going to post that same exact list.

Another option for you is to get some pH testing strips and test out some cleansers yourself. You need to get strips that go low enuf in the pH measurement and keep in mind that they can only test liquids.

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Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:01 pm      Reply with quote
amonavis wrote:
OR you can use a cleanser with a pH of less than 5.5, as in the Obagi C Rx protocol. This would allow you to apply your C serum right away without the long wait. I might use the Obagi cleanser but it is kind of expensive.


I bought the Obagi C-RX Cleanser under the impression it would be around a PH 5 due to the vit c...well surprisingly (according to my PH strips) it's actually closest to PH 7...exactly the same as the nu derm cleanser.

Also, wonder if a low PH cleanser truly makes any difference considering when rinsing with tap water this will increase the PH anyway.

Perhaps the best thing is just use a PH balancing toner after cleansing.

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Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:40 pm      Reply with quote
foxe wrote:
Boy Lacy! You're a step ahead of me - I was actually going to post that same exact list.


Beat you to it foxe! LOL Actually, I have the web page bookmarked in my favourites and refer to it from time to time, so it was easy to pull-up and post here. As far as I know, it is the most comprehensive listing I have seen for cleanser pH on the internet. Not sure how often it is updated though.

As Dee suggested, you could use a toner to lower the pH of your skin after washing (assuming the toner itself is formulated to do this, and assuming the toner doesn't interfere with your C treatment). But it is one more step and one more product purchase. It might be best to just use a cleanser that is at the proper pH to begin with.

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Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:19 pm      Reply with quote
Dee28 wrote:
amonavis wrote:
OR you can use a cleanser with a pH of less than 5.5, as in the Obagi C Rx protocol. This would allow you to apply your C serum right away without the long wait. I might use the Obagi cleanser but it is kind of expensive.


I bought the Obagi C-RX Cleanser under the impression it would be around a PH 5 due to the vit c...well surprisingly (according to my PH strips) it's actually closest to PH 7...exactly the same as the nu derm cleanser.

Also, wonder if a low PH cleanser truly makes any difference considering when rinsing with tap water this will increase the PH anyway.

Perhaps the best thing is just use a PH balancing toner after cleansing.

Dee

well that sure is interesting Dee! It really makes you think about the products we use, and how effective they really are! I certainly won't be buying the Obagi cleanser. Thanks you for that information
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Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:21 pm      Reply with quote
Lacy53 wrote:
foxe wrote:
Boy Lacy! You're a step ahead of me - I was actually going to post that same exact list.


Beat you to it foxe! LOL Actually, I have the web page bookmarked in my favourites and refer to it from time to time, so it was easy to pull-up and post here. As far as I know, it is the most comprehensive listing I have seen for cleanser pH on the internet. Not sure how often it is updated though.

As Dee suggested, you could use a toner to lower the pH of your skin after washing (assuming the toner itself is formulated to do this, and assuming the toner doesn't interfere with your C treatment). But it is one more step and one more product purchase. It might be best to just use a cleanser that is at the proper pH to begin with.


The toner thing wont work for me unfortunately because I am already rosacea prone and just using a C serum is already a stetch. I think if i add a toner to the mix ill be full on red. lol. I am glad I have that list though. it should help me find a good cleanser .
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