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Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:46 pm  |
I see so many great postings here with regards to facial exercises and massages and whatnot, but I also have hand and decollete issues. Does anyone else?
I came across this page, which deals with doing to our hands what some of us are doing to our faces - massaging the skin, pinching the skin, exercising the skin.
http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/natural-beauty-tips-for-your-hair-and-nails
Specifically, I am doing the video towards the bottom of the page. Several times a day. I decided to try doing the massage to one hand only, so I could compare my hands at the end of a month. And also because it takes a lot of time to do it several times a day and I figured I would see if it actually worked first before taking the time to do both hands. After only two weeks there is an astounding difference in the texture of my skin. I kind of can't believe it.
I have the worst hands. The worst. They've been crepey and witchy and gnarly since I was in my early 30s. I'm in my 50s now. Combine the loveliness of crepey, witchy hands with some sun damage and then the extra added bonus of a small amt of loose skin due to some weight loss, and they are just ever so lovely. For a 150 year old.
I started doing the video massage 2 or 3 times a day to one hand only. The difference in skin texture is absolutely noticable after only 2 weeks, and the skin is firmer, smoother, and plumper. I also just rub the hand and pinch the skin whenever I think of it. I have not used any kind of lotion on my hand, and have not used any devices on it. It's the massage alone that is changing the texture of my skin. I look forward to seeing the results after a few months of doing this! I am curious to see if thickening the skin will help smooth out any veins. So far I haven't noticed that happening but it's only been a couple of weeks.
I will take photos of my hands. Please prepare yourselves for the horror of the "before" photo. 
I have also completely eliminated the three lines I had on my chest by rubbing them. You know, those cleavage lines you can get from sleeping on your side?
http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/why-must-i-contract-the-muscle-first-when-performing-the-rubbing-the-wrinkles-out-technique
I rubbed them for several minutes a day and applied a retinol cream afterwards. It took about a month but they disappeared. Now when I wake up I look in the mirror and if I got any overnight crinkles there from sleeping, I just rub them for a few minutes and they disappear. I just cannot train myself to sleep on my back! So rubbing the crinkles out for a few minutes seems to be a good trade-off for a good night's sleep....... |
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:41 am |
Very cool  I'd love to see photos for inspiration. |
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:47 am |
Add in some pinching, tapping, and slapping of the hands, fingers to round off the routine.  |
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:09 am |
| I love these cost free self help routines that do the same thing as laser treatments that cost thousands. |
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:22 am |
Good idea about tapping! I'm already pinching. Do you do any hand work, Pandax?
Here are the photos. I apologize for the nails...I just got done turning some candlesticks on my lathe. It's hell on a manicure. I can't stand wearing gloves because I need to feel the wood.
So here's the horror.
I tried to pose my hands the same exact way in the shots so you could see the difference. Supposedly the real magic happens after a few months of doing this, so this is just the very beginning. I'm so amazed by the improvements already. I think in the first one I have my "good" hand a bit more stretched out, which looks deceptive, so I took another shot. There's no improvement in the veins yet. I'm hoping that thickening of the skin will make them lie flatter or maybe make them less visible. We'll see.
http://imgur.com/zHqwwaC
http://imgur.com/CMmi3AK |
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:24 am |
Ooops I just saw that I can embed the images -
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:10 am |
Nice results little vase!
I use whatever I use on my face twice a day on my hands, arms and neck/chest: vitamin C serum, vitamin A/peptide serums, moisturizers and sunscreen. Seems to help! |
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:52 am |
| That's awesome, little vase Thank you for sharing! |
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:06 am |
You're welcome!
Fawnie, I should be thanking you. I'm not sure how I stumbled across it, but it was a posting by you on the Skin Care boards that introduced me to this hand massaging.
I'm going to start doing both hands. I'll take another photo in a month or so. |
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:42 pm |
Wow,little vase
that's amazing for two weeks worth of massage/rubbing!! 
Many thanks for sharing the pics for us/others to see what miracles massage/rubbing can do to the skin. |
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Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:11 am |
| Wow Little Vase - those are some pretty impressive before and afters! Good for you for being so brave to post and for being so consistent. I don't use her program, but have been incorporating some facial pinching, massage, tapping and also Carolyn's face firmer. It's sort of a massage type technique, which I have found does firm and perk up the skin. I am definitely ALL IN when it comes to these techniques to further enhance facial rejuvenation. ~ Best, Aprile |
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Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:22 pm |
Thanks for the words of encouragement! So far, most everything I've read here has to do with the face. I'm still reading and getting up to snuff though so I may have missed some topics. I just ordered the CFF cd and I do Tom Hagerty sometimes, and have Ageless and Ageless Hot Spots. I'm trying to devise my own optimal face workout with a bit from each program. But I'm also experimenting with other areas - rigorous dry brushing and also with pinching and slapping skin on my neck, chest, hands, and arms. I'm going to try some torso areas as well and I guess also the legs, just to see how the skin responds.
I've also been doing Deer Exercises - http://www.umaatantra.com/female_deer_exercise.html and my boobs have definitely gotten firmer! Just the breast part. I've been doing them for about 4 months. |
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Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:48 pm |
| Thanks, LV, for taking a scientific approach to this. I've been looking for real evidence of massage building collagen and can't find a single study to prove it, but at least your experiment is giving us some evidence that something helpful is happening. |
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Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:33 pm |
| No problem! I'm glad it's encouraging or helpful to you. I will post new pics in a couple of months. I think I'm going to try adding my cheapie microcurrent device to my routine just to see if it brings anything extra to the table in terms of skin smoothing. |
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:10 am |
| little vase wrote: |
| Thanks for the words of encouragement! So far, most everything I've read here has to do with the face. I'm still reading and getting up to snuff though so I may have missed some topics. I just ordered the CFF cd and I do Tom Hagerty sometimes, and have Ageless and Ageless Hot Spots. I'm trying to devise my own optimal face workout with a bit from each program. But I'm also experimenting with other areas - rigorous dry brushing and also with pinching and slapping skin on my neck, chest, hands, and arms. I'm going to try some torso areas as well and I guess also the legs, just to see how the skin responds.I've also been doing Deer Exercises - http://www.umaatantra.com/female_deer_exercise.html and my boobs have definitely gotten firmer! Just the breast part. I've been doing them for about 4 months. |
Little Vase - A product you might want to add to the mix for the hands is called Amlactin. It's sold OTC in drugstores like Walgreens, CVS and RightAid. It's a thicker lotion that really does help restore moisture to the hands and body and helps lighten brown spots as well. A friend of mine swears by it!!! Best, Aprile |
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:27 am |
| Thank you! I will check it out. I don't actually have any brown spots anywhere - I do have some hand freckles but most of those brownish areas are little healed marks from working with my lathe. Ugh. |
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:23 pm |
| LV, you mentioned retinol cream on the chest. Did you use it on the massaged hand too? Or both hands, or neither? |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:14 am |
I know what you mean Needl re scientific evidence of benefits, but sadly even with facial exercises there is limited information available, and its not through want of trying. I've given up a lot of my own time several times to take part in studies with various organisations in the UK with a view to doing a years study, and its so frustrating because we get about 6 months in and people are over joyed with their results, and usually for a variety of reasons the study stops (usually funding is reallocated or there is a pull on resources).
However massage has always been a passion of mine (I trained back in it a long time ago) and used it and use to see and feel benefits in my own body/face and that of my clients.
One day I'm hopeful there will be more evidence but I'm not willing to stop for it to appear.
Sean
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| Thanks, LV, for taking a scientific approach to this. I've been looking for real evidence of massage building collagen and can't find a single study to prove it, but at least your experiment is giving us some evidence that something helpful is happening. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:45 am |
Hi Needl,
So far, nothing! No moisturizers. I actually very rarely use anything on my skin, preferring to let it breathe.
After reading some advice from fawnie here though, I've ordered some sea kelp and sea extract and am mixing it with my retin-a cream. I'm using that on my chest (wonderful skin tightening results) but haven't used it on my hands yet. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:58 pm |
Thanks Little Vase, that's useful to know.
Sean, I get you, it is extremely expensive to do a good, truly accepted study.
About massage: I've been doing it on face, neck and hands since 2007 (when I started FE) and while also not prepared to give up, in case it's helping, it certainly hasn't not rid of my wrinkles, sigh... |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:25 pm |
Little Vase, I've just watched the CFF video, and she doesn't seem to pinch the skin on the back of the hands.
I take it you have, however? So have you found that doing so doesn't end up with too much skin on the massaged hand but even the pinching makes the skin toughen and tighten up? |
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:10 am |
With wrinkles, its never just one sided in that its one thing alone that creates them, but what I have found always that with working with people the one thing that seems to be consistent is that for wrinkles to appear usually there is some form of dehydration in the body, and thus the tissue goes into preservation mode. To the body, wrinkles don’t feature high on its priority list, its only to us that they are so important, but what I have found fascinating countless times is that when the body gets taken out of dehydration alert (which is an ongoing thing) that the wrinkles in conjunction with lifestyle and diet and exercises/massage start to reverse the wrinkles and lessen them, and then over time they can vanish completely.
At one point in time I was a constant frowner and eyebrow raiser. So as a result had faint lines, between my brows and also on my forehead. It wasn’t till I got serious with my training, diet and lifestyle that the lines started fading and then I ran into people who I hadn’t seen for a while and they all thought I had botox because in their words “my forehead looks so smooth and unlined”.
So if you have been massaging, maybe looking at hydration is a place to start examining and seeing what else is possible?
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Thanks Little Vase, that's useful to know.
Sean, I get you, it is extremely expensive to do a good, truly accepted study.
About massage: I've been doing it on face, neck and hands since 2007 (when I started FE) and while also not prepared to give up, in case it's helping, it certainly hasn't not rid of my wrinkles, sigh... |
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