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Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:09 am      Reply with quote
I ordered your derminator yesterday and it arrives on Thursday! Very excited! Thank you for mentioning it on here scarredbyacne! Im going to use it on my hands, neck & chest & lower legs for skin quality & hopefully some thickening & reduction of age spots/red marks/small scars.

Id also love to use it all around my eyes for crepey skin but so far have only read that it cant be used on upper eyelids. Any thoughts anyone? Im looking at the 'Madonna eye lift' which is just a fraxel CO2 laser all around eyes (right down to the lash line) but surely the dermapen is doing much the same thing (only much slower)?

I really dont want to lose any fat & would love to thicken up the skin there as thats part of the problem. I know there was a post from a chap that got rid of under eye bags by rolling but I already have hollow eyes!
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:36 pm      Reply with quote
Hi everyone. I am going to try to get a regular monthly session in now that summer is coming to an end.
Any one have any updates or any new products they are using with the derminator ?
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:42 pm      Reply with quote
To Fawnie,

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To answer another question further up, LMWHA does not trigger inflammation, in fact it helps alleviate it.



Regarding the hyaluronic acid comment, have you read this interesting and scientific other side of the HMW vs LMW debate
by Drs. John and George: apparently I can't link to it even though I've been registered here for ages, but no worries, it's on the barefacedtruth website dated 3/31/2015 and is entitled "hyaluronic acid yes size does matter".

Would love to hear your views Fawnie. Smile
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:06 pm      Reply with quote
Has anyone tried this device around the eye area?

From what I understand you can needle under your eyes up to where the bone under your eye is.

http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolling-microneedling/can-i-use-a-dermaroller-on-this-area-under-the-eye-%28pic-included%29/

Thank you Very Happy
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:31 pm      Reply with quote
foxy1 wrote:
To Fawnie,

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To answer another question further up, LMWHA does not trigger inflammation, in fact it helps alleviate it.



Regarding the hyaluronic acid comment, have you read this interesting and scientific other side of the HMW vs LMW debate
by Drs. John and George: apparently I can't link to it even though I've been registered here for ages, but no worries, it's on the barefacedtruth website dated 3/31/2015 and is entitled "hyaluronic acid yes size does matter".

Would love to hear your views Fawnie. Smile


I believe this is the link you were referring to: http://bft.wpengine.com/2015/03/31/hyaluronic-acid-yes-size-does-matter/

ps once you hit 10 posts you should be able to post links Smile
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:28 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks Havana8,
yes that is the article I was referring to on barefacedtruth.
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Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:59 pm      Reply with quote
Hi everyone, I have a Derminator and used it a few times over last two years until switching over to professional micro pen sessions this year. Iíve had three professional sessions in the last nine months. Iím currently two weeks out from my last session. My skin looks pretty bad. Iíve lost a lot of volume in my face that I didnít really notice before. Lines still there and my NLís are probably worse even though I spot treat them with the Derminator single pen needle on occasion.

Has anyone experienced negative effects from micro needling or micro pen? I was on realself.com and there are actually quite a few negative reviews with people claiming that micro pens/microneedles caused a loss in fat/volume and an increase in wrinkles. I did a lot of research before I started using the Derminator and having these professional sessions, and I didnít think it was possible for them to actually cause volume loss and worsen wrinkles. Any thoughts?

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Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:41 am      Reply with quote
No, I do not have fat loss; on the contrary, I find that it has plumped up my cheek and filled up my NL fold.

I have been dermarolling for 4 years. In the last two years, I used Derminator together with rollers.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:12 pm      Reply with quote
I have not experienced volume loss from microneedling but I do notice that my skin goes through a "haggard"(dry and lackluster) phase like a week or two after. But its temporary and the results are worth it.
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Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:36 pm      Reply with quote
Wow...I've been out of this board for years. I was thinking about getting this done at the docs office, youtubed it and came upon the device as home use.

First, I've googled microneedling..i prevously years ago owned a dermaroller but never really used it, but figured being in my mid 30's now I should get serious about it. Scary thing is, I read a lot of people posting things about how it damaged and ruined their skin. This terrifies me. they speak of the skin looking worse, less elasticity, pore are bigger. How does this happen to some? I want to first let the doctor do it but I'm so scared I'll be that small population of people where it destroys it.

Anyone else read stories like that? This was on Realself of people who have left reviews and pictures of their procedures.

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Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:56 pm      Reply with quote
Yes! That was exactly what I was referring to in my post on this thread in early Decemberóhow is this happening? I contacted OwnDoc for their opinion and Sarah V said all other micropen or needle devices are inferior and cause damage. I believe their product- the Derminator-is really great but I canít believe that the machines at plastic surgeons offices are crappy. I mean buying products made from China off eBay, this I understand but the several thousand dollar professional machines...doesnít seem as likely to be the culprit. Would be interesting to see how many people on this forum have had bad results from microneedling.

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Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:25 pm      Reply with quote
Hi,

I have done DIY dermarolling for 9 years 4-6 times a year with a 1.5 mm and more recently a 2.0 mm. It's intense. I educated myself and proceeded with caution. I adore DR. For me, it increased skin thickness and reduced hyperpigmentation. It takes at least 3 months to notice results. It may take a year to see full results. I believe that a persons health and lifestyle directly correlate with healing from any skin care treatment. Without the proper nutrition, inside and out, and circulation, the body may recover quite slowly.

Initially after a DR, my skin is lax, pores enlarged and everything looks worse for a couple of days. I do an intense roll on a Friday night and don't leave the house until I go to work on Monday morning. Nobody says anything and they probably don't notice anything, but I know that I am inflamed and recovering for the rest of the week. After one week, I am fully healed.

I adore DR. The concept makes sense to me and for me, results have been fantastic.

If you would like to see how it works for me, check out the article that I wrote on my skin care routine. It includes photos.

http://www.skinremodelingdiy.com/blog/http/wwwskinremodelingdiycom/2016/10/17/therambobarbieruggedroutineforskincare

Take a slow approach until you feel comfortable. Check out Dr. Desmond Fernandes, he invented DR and has oodles and oodles of before and after photos on the internet. Plus, he is in his 70's and is quite handsome and youthful. Ha, obviously I think the world of Dr. D.

HGG

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:42 am      Reply with quote
yes, that all makes sense to me-- I have been thinking about this in the last couple months and I believe it is still overall a positive treatment with varying "ugly" healing periods.

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Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:42 am      Reply with quote
I agree with the concept of dermarolling, makes sense to me. I use the derminator every 6 weeks or so, at a depth of 1.5 to 2.00 depending how I feel. I only use hylauronic acid afterwards as well as Infadolan at bedtime, as I once had a had reaction to other stuff so I try to keep it simple. I think the main thing is to be patient, progress is slow, but it is sill there. I started in 2015 and I do have good results, and that is not bad as I am 70. I've just ordered a dermastamp from Owndoc as I want to up the work on my lip lines. Already they are less pronounced from work so far, but I am going to increase it with the dermastamp between
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:40 am      Reply with quote
Was wondering what results do you all see from using derminator/dermaroller, what exactly has happened to your skin since you've started to use them?
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Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:12 pm      Reply with quote
Hi!

I posted a new topic that provides a link to my review of the Derminator 2. I have dermarolled going on ten years, nine-years using a dermaroller and this year using Derminators 1 and 2.

http://www.skinremodelingdiy.com/blog/review-derminator-2-microneedle-device-from-vaughter-wellness

Unless your lifestyle or health compromise healing after microneedling you will definitely experience increased skin thickness and minimize or eliminate wrinkles, fine lines and scars.

Want super healthy skin? IMHO start with a healthy lifestyle to promote good healing, begin a facial exercise practice to keep muscles strong to support overlying skin and use micro needling treatments for skin rejuvenation. Use carrier oils, essential oils, active ingredients, nutrients, acids, and peptides to make skin glow.

Microneedling is a skin rejuvenation bonus for us DIYers.

Take good care of yourself!
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Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:20 am      Reply with quote
Hi every one

I am waiting in anticipation for my derminator Very Happy

I have been looking at my plan of action and am thinking of trying the protocol of weekly intervals x6 using a 1m needle setting. apparently using a topical A cream enhances the treatment.
I would like to know;
1, when would i apply this?
2, which product is best?
3. can I do a weekly single needle on a couple of wrinkles then go over with the multi needle at the same time?
it would good to know some protocols from experienced (or non experienced users)on when to apply topicals including c serums.

thank you in advance Very Happy

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Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:57 pm      Reply with quote
ariesxtreme wrote:
Wow...I've been out of this board for years. I was thinking about getting this done at the docs office, youtubed it and came upon the device as home use.

First, I've googled microneedling..i prevously years ago owned a dermaroller but never really used it, but figured being in my mid 30's now I should get serious about it. Scary thing is, I read a lot of people posting things about how it damaged and ruined their skin. This terrifies me. they speak of the skin looking worse, less elasticity, pore are bigger. How does this happen to some? I want to first let the doctor do it but I'm so scared I'll be that small population of people where it destroys it.

Anyone else read stories like that? This was on Realself of people who have left reviews and pictures of their procedures.


I tried a dermaroller at home a few years ago. I also tried a facial yoga exercise regine (Caroline something something). I had bad results with both - meaning I looked haggard afterwards.

Then I did the Fraxel Repair, pretty sure same year. It was AMAZING. Before anybody thinks I'm a shill for fraxel repair, they don't make them anymore and I have a feeling that the new ones aren't as strong or effective.

Meanwhile other people had BAD results with Fraxel Repair, and GOOD results with facial fitness and dermarolling.

What I've taken away from all that is that even if something works great for one person, it might not work well for another.

At first I was suspicious of people saying bad things about Fraxel repair....But then I was the one saying bad things about dermarolling and facial exercise, and people were suspicious of me.

It is my personal philosophy that you should not have to go through a dubious "ugly period" to hopefully come out the end with great results. With ALL of the treatments that have worked really well for me, I have noticed improvement within a week, if not sooner.

This is why I stay away from dermaroller and things like copper peptides (another treatment where you have to go through the "just have faith" period - hoping the ugly phase will somehow transform.

I only say this because people can get pretty bullying when it comes to what works for them. (I was bullied by the creator of the facial fitness regime I used - she threatened to sue me for defamation, etc, only because I posted that I looked worse afterwards, which I did)

I would say do NOT push through if you feel something isn't working for you. Follow your gut. I had a gut feeling that Fraxel Repair would work great on my skin and it did. I had a gut feeling that another C02 laser wouldn't do much, and it didn't. I had a gut feeling that TCA peels would work well on me, and they do.

Just recently I had a gut feeling that YAG laser would not be good for me, and for that reason I decided not to do it. Because we're all different, we need to follow our own inner guidance a bit more.

I guess my bigger point is to listen to yourself, If you feel you aren't getting great results from something why force yourself to "push through" and "have faith" that one day it will work? Go find something that is better suited to you now.

JMHO
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:18 am      Reply with quote
Sweet ladies and gents wave

Where else to turn to for this goofy Monday confession?

Here I am, sitting at work, with parts of my face subtly peeling like an old Venitian mansion. All that thanks to my first real Derminator session on Friday night.

And of course, I'm extremely excited Very Happy

Moderate session at 0.75, high speed (I'm under the impression that the device is not that reliable depth wise at lower speeds?!?)
Very very red just after, moderately pink on next day but redness tends to reactivate with mere application of a benign snail cream... Second day looking almost normal.

Like other have said I experience the dry-and-dull feeling during these first days just after the session.

I aim at initiating a regimen of 1.0mm every other week, and see how that goes. It does hurt significantly less than all my attempts with a dermaroller, so there's hope in sticking to the routine.

An immense thank you for sharing all your thoughts, advendtures and ups and downs with this little machine here. I'm very happy to join the club!
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