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Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:11 pm      Reply with quote
I was looking through Google Scholar to find out whether facial muscles really can be trained up (in my experience yes, but I want to see data). I came across this patent (https://www.google.com/patents/US20050038486).

I much prefer DIY with hands, but this goes into a lot of interesting details. Regarding the neck, it looks like we need both, build the platysma while relaxing the cords - see at the end here they actually use botox in the cords if too visible but STILL continue to build the muscle (hypertrophy).

"Platysmal Hypertrophy
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Loss of Platysmal tone often contributes significantly to the appearance of aging neck in the following ways:
(i) Vertical laxity of the overlying soft-tissue envelope of the neck and visible vertical skin laxity.
(ii) Loss of lateral platysmal tone, weakens the musculo-fascial sling that helps to support the submandibular glands in their youthful, hidden submandibular location. With age and a loss of platysmal tone, there is an exaggerated ptosis of the glands and the familiar bulge of the ptotic gland, under the pre-jowl in the submandibular region, all of which contributes to the loss of the youthful facial Ogee, or oval shape to the more aged droopy, bottomed-out, square lower face shape.
(iii) Loss of medial platysmal tone and redundancy often leads to redundancy of the medial platysma and platysmal bands or cervical cords.
With Hypertrophy of the platysmal muscle, there is:
(i) a tightening of the submandibular gland support, minimizing their visibility;
(ii) a tightening of the cervical skin, improvement in cutaneous flap blood flow characteristics with concomitant skin rejuvenation;
(iii) improvement in the texture and tone; and
(iv) with hypertrophy of the platysma, a tightening of the medial platysma and a botox mediated lessening of the visible cords and bands.
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With significant medial platysmal bands/cords, botox is used in the medial platysmal cord, to soften their appearance and the process is continued."
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:28 am      Reply with quote
I have often asked this of many program creators - and never got a sufficient answer that explains why there is a real lack of data and findings when it comes to facial exercise. I mean I think its something that ultimately the medical community could and would profit from if such data did exist. Even greats like Eva Fraser and Carole Maggio and Deborah Crowley all site that they can be built up but there is little to any proper proof that they can be which is a little disconcerning in my mind.
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I was looking through Google Scholar to find out whether facial muscles really can be trained up (in my experience yes, but I want to see data). I came across this patent (https://www.google.com/patents/US20050038486).
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Well Everyone, it's been about 4 years and my cording has got no worse, in fact slightly better [it's just a little under the chin, nothing awful]. Here's what I do:

1. Very seldom [few times a month] do the 'sad face' with head tilted back type of exercises that build the platysma but can really show the cords. My theory: if botox gets rid of the cords, overbuilding the platysma can't be a good idea. I do the gentle version of this from Ageless if You Dare, that doesn't pull the corners of the mouth down much, so hardly 'sad face' but does use those muscles.

2. Regular rolling/Derminator under chin and on front of neck to strengthen skin and build collagen.

3. Daily use of Retinyl Palmitate and massage in with knuckles, up harder than down, while tilting head back. Pretty much Carolyn's 'The Brush'.

4. Then daily slight pinching massage all over front of neck.

5. Twice weekly twenty percent ascorbic acid. You don't start with this strength of course.

6. Daily Carolyn's "Gulping Fish".

7. Daily tilt head back and slightly sideways while brushing fingers upwards.

8. Avoid 'sad face' other extreme expressions that emphasize banding. Just like avoiding botox by not frowning hard, this helps prevent unwanted muscle development.

This sounds like a lot, but it's pretty quick and can be done while watching TV, taking a rest from laptop or even, dare I admit, while on toilet.

I'm now convinced that mainly stretching the platysma has done me more good than too much building did, and working the skin through needling and massaging keeps it thick and elastic enough to allow this daily stretching.

I'm now 2 years into menopause, no hrt yet. I think this is a relevant detail useful to know and wish all women selling any exercise/massage/products using themselves as an example would give this detail.
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:25 am      Reply with quote
Do you have photos you could share of the changes? Its always good to see these as it is encourage and motivates people to keep on.
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Sorry, I just went to the trouble of taking some photos, but even with the FAQ info here I can't see how to share them: tried the site the FAQ recommends, but my computer decided it was not secure.

I perhaps could do it via Google, but can't see how to keep them anon.

If you have a reliable site to help do this, please share the link.
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