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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:27 am  |
The original recipe for the spritz uses Sodium PCA. However, I've never used that ingredient, and I do quite like Glycerin. And then there is also Hyaluronic acid and I think Aloe is a humectant as well.
Does anyone know which would work best in a spritz? I've read glycerin can be quite sticky but I think I'd only use a very small amount. Would it be ok to use glycerin in place of sodium pca? Or is sodium pca better for a spritz? The recipe only uses 2 ml of sodium pca. 
TIA everyone. I'm new to DIY and am unfamiliar with using different humectants! |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:33 am |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
The original recipe for the spritz uses Sodium PCA. However, I've never used that ingredient, and I do quite like Glycerin. And then there is also Hyaluronic acid and I think Aloe is a humectant as well.
Does anyone know which would work best in a spritz? I've read glycerin can be quite sticky but I think I'd only use a very small amount. Would it be ok to use glycerin in place of sodium pca? Or is sodium pca better for a spritz? The recipe only uses 2 ml of sodium pca.
TIA everyone. I'm new to DIY and am unfamiliar with using different humectants! |
If you like Glycerin I can't see any reason not to use it especially in a small amount, I have Glycerin and Rosewater and it is lovely! 
If you want more info on Sodium PCA:
Sodium PCA
Sodium PCA, otherwise known as the sodium salt of pyrrolidone carbonic acid, is a humectant that is naturally occurring in the skin. It is a derivative of amino acids that is very water absorbing. It is also hygroscopic, meaning that it absorbs moisture from the air.
Sodium PCA feeds moisture to the hair and skin and is most notably used as an ingredient in moisturizers. Sodium PCA is non-irritating to the skin and eyes, non-comedogenic and is water and ethanol soluble. It is not soluble in oils.
http://www.vitaminstuff.com/definitions/definitions86.html
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:22 am |
Thank you DM! What is your rosewater and glycerin? That sounds lovely!!! Maybe you could pm me the recipe if you didn't mind?
Is glycerin your favorite humectant to use or do you like several? |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:41 am |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
Thank you DM! What is your rosewater and glycerin? That sounds lovely!!! Maybe you could pm me the recipe if you didn't mind?
Is glycerin your favorite humectant to use or do you like several? |
I sometimes luck out and find it pre=made but it is a very simple recipe to make! you can adjust the glycerin up or down according to the feel you like.
To make it into a toner you can add 3/4 Cup of witch hazel (also adjustable).
1 Cup of rose water
6 Drops of glycerin
ETA: my skin likes glycerin, I guess one of my other favorites would be HA. |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:46 am |
| Second DarkMoon's advice: glycerin is great for a spritz and, like many humectants, is only sticky if you use too much. |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:52 am |
| Thank you both. Firefox, I know you love Aloe. I'm curious if Aloe could be used in a spritz too and if so, are there any specific forms of Aloe you would recommend? I've seen the 99% aloe gels etc. and even aloe powders. |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:16 am |
| Does anyone know if there is a difference between regular glycerin and vegetable glycerin? Or do they both affect skin the same? I've tried finding an answer to this question but can't find anything. They appear to be and do the same thing. |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:57 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Does anyone know if there is a difference between regular glycerin and vegetable glycerin? Or do they both affect skin the same? I've tried finding an answer to this question but can't find anything. They appear to be and do the same thing. |
Yes EG,
It can be made from animal fats or plants, I prefer the vegetable form personally.
WiseGeek has a great explanation (copyrighted)
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-vegetable-glycerin.htm |
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:24 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Thank you both. Firefox, I know you love Aloe. I'm curious if Aloe could be used in a spritz too and if so, are there any specific forms of Aloe you would recommend? I've seen the 99% aloe gels etc. and even aloe powders. |
You know me too well!  Depends what your other spritz ingredients are, how much space you have in your recipe and how you intend to use the finished product. AV should ideally be used at a fairly high concentration to get the benefits of the active compounds, and you may find this is too sticky or filmy for a refreshing spritz. AV seems to work best in a cream, lotion or serum base, a formulation that contains lipids or oils, even if only in small quantities (ie. non greasy). Or in a water-based formula that is to have a lotion or cream layered over the top.
I definitely would not use an AV gel for a spritz because that may needlessly thicken your finished product, IMO use either a stabilised inner leaf juice or powdered extract that reconstitutes to a liquid. A powdered extract would have the longest shelf life and be the most versatile: you could dissolve your actives in plain water then add the AV powder, or dissolve your actives in one lot of water and the AV in another lot of water before mixing the two, rather than trying to dissolve actives in AV juice.
HTH! |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:20 am |
| Thank you so much Firefox and DM! I'll stick to vegetable glycerin. Thankfully it's easy to find! And thank you for the info about the aloe Firefox. My skin likes aloe too I think, but I've never used it in DIY. I think I read you say the fresh aloe from plants shouldn't be used so I'll stick to what you recommend. I'm happy to know the powdered extracts are ok to use too. But I wont add it to my spritz! |
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:55 pm |
Some other humectants to consider are:
honey
sea silk
propylene glycol
hyaluronic acid
sorbitol
d-panthenol
calendula CO2 extract is also nice in a spritz as its a natural humectant and healing to skin. I think GardenOfWisdom has some nice hydrosols that are moisturizing but light for summer. |
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:43 pm |
Thank you so much fawnie, I didn't know some of those were humectants. Great tip about the calendula extract! Calendula is supposed to be really good for sensitive skin, like chamomile. I wouldn't have thought of that!  I've seen rose hydrosol also. Do you know if that's ok for sensitive skin by any chance? I love the scent of rose. |
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:35 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Thank you so much fawnie, I didn't know some of those were humectants. Great tip about the calendula extract! Calendula is supposed to be really good for sensitive skin, like chamomile. I wouldn't have thought of that! I've seen rose hydrosol also. Do you know if that's ok for sensitive skin by any chance? I love the scent of rose. |
Sure! Rose is nice for any skin type, esp mature. U can read about all the hydrosols that GoW has here:
http://www.gardenofwisdom.com/catalog/item/3957554/3987261.htm
MountainRoseHerbs has calendula:
http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/fwater/fwater.html
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:54 am |
Thanks fawnie! GOW is one site I haven't become totally familiar with yet lol. There's so many sites it's overwhelming.  Regarding humectants, I think ima throw a lil sodium pca in my cart at lotioncrafters too lol. Soon my house will look like a lab. I suppose you can never have too many DIY supplies. All the more fun to experiment with! |
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:31 pm |
Hi There
Does anyone know why you should not use fresh aloe from the plant? was thinking of mixing that into my moisturiser.
Thank-you
M |
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:45 pm |
| Stork wrote: |
Hi There
Does anyone know why you should not use fresh aloe from the plant? was thinking of mixing that into my moisturiser.
Thank-you M |
AV straight from the plant contains known allergens and irritants so is not recommended. The published research demonstrating AV's anti-inflammatory, wound healing and collagen inducing properties has been using standardised extracts, ie. those which have been refined, stabilised and preserved exactly as a good quality commercial AV gel is. In addition you would find it very difficult to prepare AV juice in a sterile manner.
Case studies on contact dermatitis from fresh aloe
http://repositorio.chporto.pt/bitstream/10400.16/821/1/Allergic%20contact%20dermatitis%20to%20Aloe%20vera.pdf
http://www.desertharvest.com/physicians/documents/HB-16.pdf
Case study I don't have access to
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1081120610008665
From 2005, edited for brevity
"Aloe vera has been used as a cosmetic and medical remedy since ancient times and has gained increasing popularity in recent years. Despite its widespread use, reports of allergic reactions are rare. We patch tested 702 consecutive patients with an oily extract from the leaves, Aloe pulvis from the entire plant and concentrated Aloe vera gel ... None of the subjects showed any reaction to one of the preparations. 2 components of the plant have to be distinguished: the bark of the leaves contains anthrachinones with pro-peristaltic and potential antibiotic and anticancer properties. Constraints have been imposed due to their considerable toxic potential. Today, mostly the Aloe gel from the center of the leaves is processed. It almost exclusively consists of carbohydrates to which also many medical effects have been attributed. Carbohydrates are not likely to induce contact sensitization, which might explain the outcome of our study."
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0105-1873.2005.00713.x/abstract
From 2007, official safety assessment, edited for brevity
"The Aloe leaf consists of the pericyclic cells, found just below the plant’s skin, and the inner central area of the leaf, i.e., the gel, which is used for cosmetic products. The pericyclic cells produce a bitter, yellow latex containing a number of anthraquinones, phototoxic compounds that are also gastrointestinal irritants responsible for cathartic effects. The gel contains polysaccharides, which can be acetylated, partially acetylated, or not acetylated. An industry established limit for anthraquinones in aloe-derived material for nonmedicinal use is 50 ppm or lower ...
Case reports include acute eczema, contact urticaria, and dermatitis in individuals who applied Aloe-derived ingredients topically. The Cosmetic Ingredient Review Expert Panel concluded that anthraquinone levels in the several Aloe Barbadensis extracts are well understood and can conform to the industry-established level of 50 ppm. Although the phototoxicity anthraquinone components of Aloe plants have been demonstrated, several clinical studies of preparations derived from Aloe barbadensis plants demonstrated no phototoxicity, confirming that the concentrations of anthraquinones in such preparations are too low to induce phototoxicity."
http://ijt.sagepub.com/content/26/2_suppl/1.abstract |
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:20 am |
| Just received Twinlabs NA-PCA spray - will report back on whether it makes me glow or not. Will pair this with nia24 moisturizer |
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:22 am |
| There are tonnes of ingredients on the market one can use Propanediol http://www.duponttateandlyle.com/zemea, NMF, Lactil -Sodium Lactate (and) Sodium PCA (and) Glycine (and) Fructose (and) Urea (and) Niacinamide (and) Inositol (and) Sodium Benzoate (and) Lactic Acid just some of them |
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