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Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:32 pm  |
| Josee wrote: |
- After oozing stops, apply Acell, Retinyl palmitate (Vitamin A) and Ascorbic tetraisopalmitate (vitamin C) + Vitamin E, in a solution made of jojoba oil, squalene, and macadamia nut oil. I chose this solution because its close to human sebum composition.
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How about avocado/jojoba oil (vit A), lemon oil (vit C), and mmacadamia nut oil, wheatgerm oil, apricot kernal oil (vit E)???
any ideas if this would work? |
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:05 am |
| sallyc wrote: |
How about avocado/jojoba oil (vit A), lemon oil (vit C), and mmacadamia nut oil, wheatgerm oil, apricot kernal oil (vit E)???
any ideas if this would work? |
I would NOT use lemon oil after rolling, even at small concentrations it can highly irritate. Garden of Wisdom has a product I've been considering, its called chock full of vitamins, I think it covers the bases for use after rolling. |
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Italianprincess21
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:53 am |
| Josee...I was wondering where you can purchase all of the products you wrote about? I looked up the Acell and found where I can purchase it but the rest can you please share. Also my dermaroller is a 2.0. I have only rolled once abour two weeks ago and used Retin A micro after. I am rolling for post pregnancy stretch marks. I was wondering if these ingrediants you mentioned would work for me? Thanks for your knowledge. |
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:15 pm |
| I was just wondering if adding additional vit c to the diet is enough? Along with topical application of serum/oil containing natural source vit e and a??? |
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:22 pm |
Oh I have just found an oil which looks good, it contains A,C and E and is entirely natural...
its for the eyes usually
Sea buckthorn oil
Rosehip oil
Jojoba oil
Grapeseed oil
Do any of these contradict the effects of derma rolling? For example I heard that the product used with the roller must NOT be anti-inflammatory |
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:19 pm |
Hi guys
I'm not understanding the principle of not using anti-inflammatory products after rolling. Not arguing with you, just have never heard that before! Can you direct me to a link explaining it? I thought inflammation is what contributes to ageing.
TIA |
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:46 pm |
| Italianprincess21 wrote: |
| Josee...I was wondering where you can purchase all of the products you wrote about? I looked up the Acell and found where I can purchase it but the rest can you please share. Also my dermaroller is a 2.0. I have only rolled once abour two weeks ago and used Retin A micro after. I am rolling for post pregnancy stretch marks. I was wondering if these ingrediants you mentioned would work for me? Thanks for your knowledge. |
Italianprincess where abouts did you find Acell to buy? I had a look and couldn't see anywhere???
Thanx. |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:29 am |
| Josee wrote: |
| After oozing stops, apply Acell, Retinyl palmitate (Vitamin A) and Ascorbic tetraisopalmitate (vitamin C) + Vitamin E, in a solution made of jojoba oil, squalene, and macadamia nut oil. I chose this solution because its close to human sebum composition. |
That sounds amazing. Would you mind telling us the approximate amounts of each you use? I'd like to mix up a similar solution to use after dermarolling stretchmarks. |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:13 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
Hi guys
I'm not understanding the principle of not using anti-inflammatory products after rolling. Not arguing with you, just have never heard that before! Can you direct me to a link explaining it? I thought inflammation is what contributes to ageing.
TIA |
I searched in google and found it somewhere in a forum, but I'm not too sure myself whether it makes any sense? I doubt that any of the oils I listed above would cause problems but I am inexperienced in this sort of thing, I'm just going on instnct and what has worked forme in the past  |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:34 am |
Hello!
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Is this due to penetration levels? I mean, since ascorbic acid is widely used as a topical anyway - does rolling introduce it TOO deeply into the lower layers of the skin? Does this explain why its use is acceptable as a topical -but to be avoided when rolling?
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To be honest, I don't know the exact reason. Ascorbic acid is an "acid" which can have a Ph of 2. So when you roll the penetration is greatly enhanced and if it goes through the "holes" done by the roller, it goes straight to the deeper layers of the epidermis (and dermis) so there's a lot of potential for irritation and even necrosis of the tissue. When you put it on without the holes, it absorbs moore slowly and thus gives the skin time to "buffer" it as it goes deeper.
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How about avocado/jojoba oil (vit A), lemon oil (vit C), and mmacadamia nut oil, wheatgerm oil, apricot kernal oil (vit E)???
any ideas if this would work? |
Anything will sort of "work". Rolling produces more collagen basically because of the little "micro-injuries" it produces. So even if you didn't put anything after rolling, it would still work. However, we want to "optimize" the treatment so we try to put topicals that promote collagen formation (besides having a healthy diet). The only thing you need to be careful is not putting things that can be irritating to the skin or too acid.
So with the rolling, we should be putting (not only the day we roll, but every day before and after) topicals that will help collagen production. And since the little "holes" the roller produces gives us a unique opportunity for deep penetration of topicals, we want to take advantage of that and put a nice cocktail that will help the skin!
The reason I put actives and not oil is just to get a greater concentration but I really don't know how much it helps or doesn't, and I don't think anyone knows since there are no studies comparing anything. |
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:37 pm |
Thanks Josee, I am very concerned about what I put on my skin now, and after using a range of expensive products, moving onto an expensive natural product (aveda), now I use very basic products which work out alot cheaper and I trust them because they only have one ingredient (mainly cold pressed oils or home made stuff) I don't believe the products I was using before were making my skin look any different.
I have bought a 1.5mm dermaroller for stretch marks and will use a mix of the above oils to see how well it works and will post results... I read a post talking about people being a bit careless with the derma roller... I definately don't want to ruin my skin at 20 and will do it once every six weeks, letting it heal. Could I use the same length on my breasts? I was thinking about getting a scientia dermaroller for neck,decollete and breasts? |
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:04 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
Hi guys
I'm not understanding the principle of not using anti-inflammatory products after rolling. Not arguing with you, just have never heard that before! Can you direct me to a link explaining it? I thought inflammation is what contributes to ageing.
TIA |
I think the idea is that since it is the skins inflammatory response that allows the new collagen to generate, using an anti-inflmmatory product is somewhat counter productive to the process. Though, I feel there is still a lot unknown about what happens on a micro level and I'm not so sure I'm convinced that nothing at all is best either. |
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:39 am |
These are the places that worked the best for me to buy the things:
a) Retinyl palmitate and Squalene: Sigma company
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/united-states.html
You need to register first and open an account because they don't sell everything to everyone.
If not, you can buy the squalene from a vitamin store which usually comes in sofgel caplets. Make sure it has no additives.
Also you can buy another Retinyl Acetate in skinactives. Any retinoid will do.
b) Vitamin E: any health store should have some
c) Matristem: you need to get your dermatologist/GP to order it from Acell or write you a script and order it yourself (I think maybe your pharmacy can order it if you have a script though I'm not sure)
d) All the other oils: any health store. I buy them from "From nature with love"
e)Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate: bulkactives.com
I first mix the squalene, macadamia nut oil, and jojoba esters in these proportions:
30% Jojoba oil
15% Squalene
55% Macadamia nut oil
After I do this I make a solution of:
0.1% Retinoid
10% Ascorbyl tetraisopalmitate
10% Vitamin E
10% Matristem
All the percentages are by weight.
HTH! |
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37, light brown hair, green eyes, very fair skin. Oily T zone, broken capillaries... Current regime: Tretinoin 0.05% every night, hydroquinone 4% twice per day, lachydran every other day, random moisturizers and sunscreen |
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:09 pm |
| Josee wrote: |
30% Jojoba oil
15% Squalene
55% Macadamia nut oil
After I do this I make a solution of:
0.1% Retinoid
10% Ascorbyl tetraisopalmitate
10% Vitamin E
10% Matristem
All the percentages are by weight.
HTH! |
Hi Josee, I use a formula post rolling very similar to yours. Same oils. Instead of Matristem I use matrixyl 3000 to stimulate matrix molecules - collagens 1,3, 4 & fibronectin, lacto-ceramide for barrier repair, retin-a instead of retinyl, tetrahexyldecal l-acorbic instead of ascorbyl tetraisopalmitate, and squalane instead of squalene:-)
It's quite similar other than the variables and of course next white paper I read I'll change the formula again:-) |
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:21 pm |
| Actually, I think that you can buy the matristem directly from their website...now, for the price, I'm not so sure, perhaps having a prescription would help. |
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:15 pm |
| can you derma roll on decollete and breasts with 1.5? or is a 0.5 better for this area? |
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:23 pm |
| Coconut wrote: |
| Actually, I think that you can buy the matristem directly from their website...now, for the price, I'm not so sure, perhaps having a prescription would help. |
Well, a representative from Acell emailed me today and you must indeed have a prescription.  I don't have health insurance right now, so no go for me! |
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:46 pm |
| What do you guys feel would be a good protocol to follow to break up hyperpigmentation? |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:05 pm |
Josee:
<<One hour (or more) after that, I will put a very diluted copper peptide serum. I still don't know the exact concentration I will use because I haven't asked yet.
I have always read that copper peptides should not be applied to the skin within 72 hours use of C serums - due to their negative interaction?
BF |
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:01 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Josee:
<<One hour (or more) after that, I will put a very diluted copper peptide serum. I still don't know the exact concentration I will use because I haven't asked yet.
I have always read that copper peptides should not be applied to the skin within 72 hours use of C serums - due to their negative interaction?
BF |
Copper peptides and C serums should be spaced 12 hours apart. |
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Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:03 pm |
I read here months ago that aloe gel is good to use after rolling.
Mine says 100% although it is from cvs. i have a 2.0 roller. I just used EMLA cream for the first time - didnt do anything for me. |
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Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:33 am |
Do any of you use a Vitamin C serum *before* rolling as well?
I know that Dr. Fernandes mentions preparing the skin with Vitamin A before rolling, but cannot recall whether the same advice applies to Vitamin C.
Thanks! BF |
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Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:01 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Do any of you use a Vitamin C serum *before* rolling as well?
I know that Dr. Fernandes mentions preparing the skin with Vitamin A before rolling, but cannot recall whether the same advice applies to Vitamin C.
Thanks! BF |
Yes, use of a topical C is recommended as rolling prep. I use Kassy's DIY C,E,Ferulic serum on a regular basis, as an anti-oxidant. It makes me a little peely, so I'm considering using it every other day to see if that cuts down on the peeling. It's made with L-Ascorbic, so I substitute THA for 3 days post-roll to avoid irritation. |
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:06 am |
| I would really recommend not using any artificial forms of vitamin C or A or low molecular weight Hyaluronic Acid when derma rolling, as they can cause inflammatory reactions or have catabolic reactions with human skin tissue! |
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Jellybean93
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:01 am |
| I got a copper peptide mask last year, I might try it as well, hope it's still good after such a long time. |
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