::REVIEW:: 302 Skincare Part 1: Intro to a Non-Acid Regimen
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free skin care · Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:44 pm

simran wrote:

i tried the website http://www.302skincareproducts.com/ but it does not load at all for me gives me a page load error.......is that website still working? Or is everyone only ordering from 21st century?......what do they charge for international shipping?

The site loaded for me, but I personally recommend that you order from Nemo here on EDS. He has great customer service and also gives you the forum discount.

free skin care · Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:43 pm

thats weird......i been trying the page all morning and now and always same "page load error" the other websites are working fine for me as well as i have tried different browsers (firefox and IE) and doesnt load in either

free skin care · Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:53 pm

Bethany,
How do we order this product from Nemo? I did a name search and don't find any info.

TIA

free skin care · Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:18 pm

ezduzit wrote:

Bethany,
How do we order this product from Nemo? I did a name search and don't find any info.

TIA

I'm Nemo(!atTheDisco) and I'll send you a PM.

Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:18 am

Nemo...just to clarify err how many people are behind this name?.......while reading through this thread i have seen a Daniel and a she in of the posts referring to her bf Laughing

by the way i have to say wow that you own ur salon at 21 Shock

can you please pm the pricing listing of your products and shipping charge to New Zealand?
thanks.

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:10 am

simran wrote:

Nemo...just to clarify err how many people are behind this name?.......while reading through this thread i have seen a Daniel and a she in of the posts referring to her bf Laughing

by the way i have to say wow that you own ur salon at 21 Shock

can you please pm the pricing listing of your products and shipping charge to New Zealand?
thanks.

I assure you there is only one person behind this name, I am Daniel. My partner and I are both Make-up artists for a very large company full time, and I have a Spa Room that I work out of part time.

We're actually building our own Spa/Make-up Boutique going forward, but it'll be some time before the entire process is done. But I assure you there will be 302 & more. Smile

Just wanted to clarify that for you Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:02 pm

simran wrote:

also i am impressed with the 35 pages that i have read so far and with the results that everyone is seeing.

overall i gather this line is good for over 35+ acne prone skin/rosacea. Forgive the spelling mistakes.

i wonder if i can use this line for prevent for aging in future.
i am 25...normal to dry skin......dont have acne except for odd break out during time of month or when im stressed. However I do have uneven skintone. Like my forehead seems to be darkest on my face. My cheeks the lightest area. And round the mouth is slightly darker then cheeks. Is that hyperpigmentation? I also get electrolysis done every four week apart on face.

About 2 months ago a started using PSF pumpkin peel which i am aware has has glycolic acid and lactic acid. 2 weeks ago i sometimes apply PSF BHA 5% lotion around mouth area. Now these products are to make my skin more even and get rid of the pigmentation. I have used a number of lightening/brightening products whcih contain arbutin, licorice etc etc about 3-4 years ago but they werent working and i hated that when i stopped the pigmentation came back in greater force in those area.

I wonder if this line is suitable to my age and also help me in giving me that all round even skintone and make my skin appear more glowy and radiant? As you can see I havnt been a acid user for long. But I am a moisturizer addict.

Hi simran,

Yes, 302 is very good for anti-aging at any age, but especially for stressed out aged skin with acne, rosacea, and sun damage. You will need to stop using your acids though, as you know. Also, you need to stop using your moisturizer and liquid sunscreen. If you are willing to do that and stick with it for at least 3 months, you should see positive results with the overall texture and color of your skin. Some hyperpigmentation may be difficult to get rid of quickly. This is especially true of melasma, pregnancy or hormone related pigmentation. It's a very gradually process, but once there, the maintenance is easy. The darker areas on your mouth area may be due to repeated electrolysis. I've read that is a possible side effect of electrolysis on darker skinned people. You need to use a MMU with SPF to prevent those areas from getting any darker and maybe think about not doing the electrolysis as often.

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:39 pm

hi boski....yea one side effect of electrolysis can be that....but prior to it i did have a slight uneven skintone in that area....although over time that has gotten darker and yes electrolysis could have played a part on it.

this is why im quite religious about using sunblock. I used chemical SS before but now im using physical SS only DDF organic sunblock SPF 30 however m on the lookout for a higher one. I can stop moisturizers among other things with this line but sunblock is one thing I dont think I can give up....as I dont want to tan anymore and my skin tans very easily. On top of that sunblock I also use Jane Iredale Powder ME SPF 30 followed by Everyday Minerals MMU. Not sure if that MMU has any SPF.

Boski do you do any facial excercises as well? Cause your skin just looks so amazing in the pics?

and i read about alternating cleansers?...DO you have to use the 302 cleanser in the morning.......as most times now i just prefer to use water only?

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:51 pm

Nemo!AtTheDisco wrote:

simran wrote:

Nemo...just to clarify err how many people are behind this name?.......while reading through this thread i have seen a Daniel and a she in of the posts referring to her bf Laughing

by the way i have to say wow that you own ur salon at 21 Shock

can you please pm the pricing listing of your products and shipping charge to New Zealand?
thanks.

I assure you there is only one person behind this name, I am Daniel. My partner and I are both Make-up artists for a very large company full time, and I have a Spa Room that I work out of part time.

We're actually building our own Spa/Make-up Boutique going forward, but it'll be some time before the entire process is done. But I assure you there will be 302 & more. Smile

Just wanted to clarify that for you Smile

I just wanted to vouch for Daniel too Smile

I have ordered twice now from him over the past few months (another order coming soon too as I just accidentally dropped and smashed my 302 serum in the basin Shock

- I almost cried!).
He is fantastic to deal with, keeps you well informed and shipping for me has been very fast - to Australia. I can definitely recommend him for 302 products.

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:56 pm

sounds goood sal-star.......btw how long is shipping to australia? cause m right next to you here in NZ Laughing

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:18 pm

Hello from just across the water...

Even with xmas really close to my last order it took 6 days, the time before was the same - so very quick! Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:22 pm

simran wrote:

hi boski....yea one side effect of electrolysis can be that....but prior to it i did have a slight uneven skintone in that area....although over time that has gotten darker and yes electrolysis could have played a part on it.

this is why im quite religious about using sunblock. I used chemical SS before but now im using physical SS only DDF organic sunblock SPF 30 however m on the lookout for a higher one. I can stop moisturizers among other things with this line but sunblock is one thing I dont think I can give up....as I dont want to tan anymore and my skin tans very easily. On top of that sunblock I also use Jane Iredale Powder ME SPF 30 followed by Everyday Minerals MMU. Not sure if that MMU has any SPF.

Boski do you do any facial excercises as well? Cause your skin just looks so amazing in the pics?

and i read about alternating cleansers?...DO you have to use the 302 cleanser in the morning.......as most times now i just prefer to use water only?

Well, I commend you for using an organic physical sunblock at least. The JI and EDM are also sunblocks, so you have fortified your skin quite well against the sun. It might be overdoing it though, especially if you aren't out in the sun alot. The main reason the company recommends not using "liquid" sunblock is the clog/irritation factor. If you have no problems with this, it's probably okay for you to use the DDF, but the 302 Recovery Minerals SPF 30 with the EDM on top should be plenty sunblock for normal daily exposure. Try to limit the DDF to days when you are out in the sun for a long time. When your skin is in a healthier state, you can eliminate the DDF and just use the powder SPF and MMU.

You don't have to cleanse twice a day. Alot of people just use water in the morning and that's perfectly fine. I just rinse with water some mornings too.

Yes, I've been doing facial exercises and vaculift cupping awhile. I've recently starting doing Loulou's Dare to be Ageless exercises, and those exercises are great for sagging muscles. You are too young to need that though Wink

.

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:04 pm

maybe im overdoing it with the SS but even when im home i wear it.....often i forego the powder me SS and MMU......cause doesnt UV rays reflect of windows as well Confused

i even read about rays from the computer screen being bad for the skin....and i spend alot of time on the computer.....not to mention at night some of those light bulbs the lights can be harsh.....and skin will produce more melanin as it does when your out in the sun Shock

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:20 pm

Suk Han wrote:

boski:

Thank you very much for your help. I am looking forward to hearing from you again.

Happy New Year to you and all the forum members.

Suk Han

Suk Han,

I got an email from Dr H with some more suggestions for your husbands SD. I would definitely try the F/B bar for the body. I love that bar for general cleansing in the shower. I would definitely consider the Calmskin line. I've been using some Calmskin the last 2 weeks and the quality is just as good as the 302 products.

We have very good luck with it (SD) and also atrophic derm (aka eczema) using the 302 serum of 302 Drops if there is no inflammation or the Rosacea Drops if there is (or see Calmskin “Repair” for an all lipid approach and which I think is the best all around solution for the non-professional). Add in a Mist if there is itching. Use the Cleanser from Calmskin or the F/B Bar (especially on the body). That usually does the trick.

free skin care · Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:40 pm

Boski and everyone here do you use the same concept i.e no acids for body as well? When I get the products I am thinking to still continue the acid products for the body. I was thinking of getting the DDF 10% glycolic body lotion as i have heard great reviews on that. I want to use that for knees, elbows and mainly for KP on back of arms.

I know acids are damaging long term but i dunno what else to use for KP for arms and read that acids work best for that. Boski do you think you can ask Dr H about KP?

free skin care · Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:02 am

bethany wrote:

sal-star wrote:

I have been meaning to ask how chickenlittle is doing?? I think of you a lot and am hoping your skin is better?

I would like to know as well! Very Happy

Hello, Sal-Star, Bethany and Boski! Thank you for asking about me, it's so nice to be thought of Smile

I've had a very difficult couple of months, as we have had a bereavement in the family. So I haven't been around so much on the board, though I have been checking in and I always love to hear how everyone's doing.

My skin has a lot of little spots, due to the fact I haven't been eating so well or looking after myself as I should recently. I'm sorting that out now though, and improving my diet, drinking more water and so on. I look like I have aged a lot recently, so I need to pay attention to improving trying to reverse this.

But - apart from the spots, which are quite superficial, my skin is continuing to improve in terms of overall colour and quality, which I put down to 302. I love the fact that with the 302 philosophy less is more, and I have definitely been doing less! Right now my routine is AM - rinse with water and use Recovery Plus; PM - wash with bar and use Recovery Plus. I'm having a little mini break from actives then I'll go back on them.

So glad you chaps are all doing well - here's to beautiful skin in 2009!

free skin care · Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:09 am

chickenlittle wrote:

bethany wrote:

sal-star wrote:

I have been meaning to ask how chickenlittle is doing?? I think of you a lot and am hoping your skin is better?

I would like to know as well! Very Happy

Hello, Sal-Star, Bethany and Boski! Thank you for asking about me, it's so nice to be thought of Smile

I've had a very difficult couple of months, as we have had a bereavement in the family. So I haven't been around so much on the board, though I have been checking in and I always love to hear how everyone's doing.

My skin has a lot of little spots, due to the fact I haven't been eating so well or looking after myself as I should recently. I'm sorting that out now though, and improving my diet, drinking more water and so on. I look like I have aged a lot recently, so I need to pay attention to improving trying to reverse this.

But - apart from the spots, which are quite superficial, my skin is continuing to improve in terms of overall colour and quality, which I put down to 302. I love the fact that with the 302 philosophy less is more, and I have definitely been doing less! Right now my routine is AM - rinse with water and use Recovery Plus; PM - wash with bar and use Recovery Plus. I'm having a little mini break from actives then I'll go back on them.

So glad you chaps are all doing well - here's to beautiful skin in 2009!

Chickenlittle,

Thanks for posting, I was worried about you. I'm so sorry to hear about your loss and am sending you (((hugs))) and condolences. You need time out to heal, rebuild, and definitely take care of yourself. I hope when you are in a better place, we will hear from you some more.

free skin care · Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:18 am

simran wrote:

Boski and everyone here do you use the same concept i.e no acids for body as well? When I get the products I am thinking to still continue the acid products for the body. I was thinking of getting the DDF 10% glycolic body lotion as i have heard great reviews on that. I want to use that for knees, elbows and mainly for KP on back of arms.

I know acids are damaging long term but i dunno what else to use for KP for arms and read that acids work best for that. Boski do you think you can ask Dr H about KP?

I don't use any acids at all, even for the body. You can successfully treat many common skin disorders with a simple 302 regimen. I don't see KP addressed in the Handbook, so I can see what Dr. H recommends for that. Have you investigated diet or supplements for KP? Maybe it's related to environmental allergies? I'm not too educated on KP, but alot of skin symptoms have origins to diet and/or allergic reactions.

free skin care · Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:31 pm

simran wrote:

Boski and everyone here do you use the same concept i.e no acids for body as well? When I get the products I am thinking to still continue the acid products for the body. I was thinking of getting the DDF 10% glycolic body lotion as i have heard great reviews on that. I want to use that for knees, elbows and mainly for KP on back of arms.

I know acids are damaging long term but i dunno what else to use for KP for arms and read that acids work best for that. Boski do you think you can ask Dr H about KP?

I got a reply from Dr H concerning the KP on the arms. I hope this helps you decide what to do.

If you want to try out the 302 After Wax product, here is the description. I think Nemo has used it and liked it for ingrown hairs from shaving:

http://302skincare.com/products_afterwax.html

Here's Dr. H's email:
Hi

There are several types and location is important – if inflamed and on the face or not inflamed and on the body, or vice versa. If there is no inflammation then a glycolic would work, though I prefer salicylic as it is less aggravating. If there is inflammation then acid is a bad call. I would go the enzyme route in that case using a 302 back bar product “Exfoliator” (papain) or the take home product “After Waxing” that contains bromelain. Papain is not a good choice if there is strong inflammation OR if the hyperkeratinization is going to take many applications to reduce. In those cases, bromelain is preferred because it will knock down the inflammation as well as the excess keratin. Waxing tends to create the same problem as described by kp, incidentally.

After the extra keratin is removed by enzymes or acids, I would begin using 302 drops or serum to renormalize the tendency to excess production of keratin. Continued use of acids will probably cause inflammation and then the problem is going to be worse. If I had it, I would use the bromelain. It gets the job done without worry about side effects or aggravating the condition through over application. And, I think it is cheaper. R

free skin care · Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:56 am

thanks for that info boski....by the way i was just reading on that recovery minerals SPF 30 and i saw that it says day and night time use?......i wonder why a sun protection product is for night time/evening use?

free skin care · Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:30 am

simran wrote:

thanks for that info boski....by the way i was just reading on that recovery minerals SPF 30 and i saw that it says day and night time use?......i wonder why a sun protection product is for night time/evening use?

It's not just an SPF, it's also a skin treatment for irritated skin. There are only 4 ingredients in it, Titanium for SPF, Zinc oxide for SPF and healing, coral calcium for oil control, and iron oxides for color. It's not as finely milled as my MMU, but it's pretty nondectable on my skin. I'm wearing the translucent.

http://302skincare.com/products_rmintrans.html

Since my skin has looked so clear lately, this is all I wear if I go out.

free skin care · Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:41 pm

can someone tell me why the cleanser needs to be alternated?

and is it using cleanser1 in morning and cleanser2 at night........
or is it using cleanser1 morning and night
and using cleanser2 morning and night second day
cleanser 1 morning and night third day

???

free skin care · Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:48 pm

simran wrote:

can someone tell me why the cleanser needs to be alternated?

and is it using cleanser1 in morning and cleanser2 at night........
or is it using cleanser1 morning and night
and using cleanser2 morning and night second day
cleanser 1 morning and night third day

???

Basically, everything in the line is used alternatively to prevent skin fatigue that results from continuously feeding it the same diet of products. This keeps the skin on its toes so to speak, & performing its best. And while I'm not an xpert on the line, it makes sense to use the Cleanser in the p.m. as it does a more thorough job of removing makeup for those who wear it. However, I've seen posts from people who reverse use of the cleanser and the Bar. In fact, many just rinse their face with water in the morning - whatever works for you.

Just keep alternating the products for your skin type to keep the skin alive to what is being applied to it.

HTH

ETA: sorry, didn't answer your ? clearly. The general protocol is: Bar Soap in a.m. and Cleanser for your skin type in the p.m. - same routine every day.

free skin care · Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:53 pm

simran wrote:

can someone tell me why the cleanser needs to be alternated?

and is it using cleanser1 in morning and cleanser2 at night........
or is it using cleanser1 morning and night
and using cleanser2 morning and night second day
cleanser 1 morning and night third day

???

The rationale for alternating cleansers and actives on a daily basis was explained on the old 302 website, but he removed all that info. Hopefully, Dr H will explain better in his book. I asked him to send an explanation in layman's terms. It all goes back to his term "receptor fatigue". This is his terminology and is unique to this line I believe. Normally, you are told to use the same topicals on a once or twice day basis, same thing with cleansers. Every day application of the same actives and the same cleansers eventually (according to his observations) leads to the receptors in the skin being overloaded to the point where they either shut down or revolt (resulting in irritation, inflammation, etc). This may happen after a few months or after a year or more. It depends on what the actives are and how strong they are I guess. If you pile on multiple actives in 1 day, same thing is likely to occur. Anyway, the reason for this is to maintain results over the long haul, for years and years, without a decline in results. You may have experienced this happening when you start a brand new line and have tremendous results. But after awhile, the results are no longer there, or you start seeing a decline. That's "receptor fatigue". This same rationale is why you should take 302 holidays occasionally. So your skin never gets too used to the products. BTW, I alternate 4 cleansers. I don't keep a record. I just grab whatever. No need to be too concerned. Just mix it up daily. HTH

free skin care · Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:28 pm

i pmed Nemo but i dont think his gwtting the messages. Stil sitting in my outbox 2 days now Confused

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