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Thu May 11, 2006 5:19 pm      Reply with quote
Hello everyone,

If you read this board consistently like I have been this past month, you might know that I just began IPL treatment for spider veins and broken caps--they aren't that bad on me yet, but I have had lots since I was very young, mainly around my nose due to horrible allergies, and some generalized redness due to sun damage...
Well, I've had some revelations lately about this problem and would appreciate all of your input.

1. First, my research all over the web on this issue has confirmed to me that the only way to get rid of these things is via IPL and/or laser. Vit K creams and for that matter all topicals apparently do not work, but they can reduce the appearance of irritation-precipitated capillaries, which also fade with time.

2. Say no to all scrubs and microdermabrasion included. All scrubs do is exacerbate the problem, so, if you are prone to them, also stay far away from any kind of 'collagen-stimulating' irritant, even chemical peels as well.

3. AHAs are definitely a culprit. Yes, sadly they are. I washed with SC's cleansing cream with AHAs, and my veins were bright red for an entire day (before me treatment). What I want to know is--does anyone have any info on other Acids--like BHAs and glycolics, for example? I am loathe to give up my beloved pumpkin peel, but would really appreciate any feedback on this in general before I capitulate and give up acidic masks for good.

4. Extreme temperatures exacerbate the problem. Okay we know all this already.

5. Get your allergies under control. For so many years, I rubbed my nose and just dealt with sneezing 20 times in a row several times a day. I am now on nasocort (a nasal steroid) and allegra 2x/daily, and the key is to avoid irritating the skin or rubbing it in any way.

6. Avoid the sun! I was totally ignorant that the proliferation of spider veins and broken caps is a sign of sun damage. I thought, if I don't have sunspots or wrinkles, I'm good! But that is not the case...

7. I am wondering if those people who claim that spider veins/broken caps resurface after IPL treatments (Annie R., Winnie,etc) are also keen on changing their habits, and if they come back no matter what you do to prevent them. Any observations? I am hoping that by avoiding exfoliation, rubbing with washcloths, AHAS, and sneezing/rubbing my itchy nose will forestall this process.

8. Does anyone know of any supplements that help?

Thanks!
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Thu May 11, 2006 10:37 pm      Reply with quote
Supplements:
*Vitamin C- as mineral ascorbates (not Ascorbic Acid).
*Bioflavanoids, especially Rutin.
*MSM- (Sulphur) It's anti-inflamatory and anti-histaminic, is needed for Collagen and Keratin production.
*Biosil- a liquid Silica supplement by Jarrow

I use Alacer Vitamin C (tablets) which has 7 different mineral ascorbates: Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, Manganese, Molybdenum, and Chromium ascorbates, plus bioflavanoids.
It also comes in packets to make a fizzy drink in different flavors called Emergen-C. I use the tablets b/c it's a lot cheaper. There may be other brands of comparable products, but this one's the easiest to find.
Ascorbic Acid has to be converted into mineral ascorbate by the body which uses minerals in the body, and doses over 1 gr. are acidifying, irritating and diuretic- meaning loss of minerals from the body. Mineral ascorbates are PH neutral and add to the stores of minerals. Ascorbic Acid in food is fine- it's balanced by minerals and bound with bioflavanoids.

HTH

Oh, also heavily spiced food seems to make broken caps look more prominent.
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Fri May 12, 2006 5:39 pm      Reply with quote
wow, thanks mimsy!
those are excellent recommendations.
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Sat May 13, 2006 10:13 am      Reply with quote
Well mine keep coming back and I will have to keep doing the maintenance IPL's once a year I am afraid. It's hard to not have something contribute to a flare up of rosacea or a red spot after picking. I do use IS Active so that might encourage them also but I do love it.
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Sat May 13, 2006 11:08 am      Reply with quote
The only things that seem to make broken caps flare up on me is home microdermabrasion or excessive scrubbing and high percentage rx retinoids. If I stick to .05% Tazorac all is ok. Up my rx to .1% Tazorac and broken caps reveal themselves. When I feel the need for a "scrub" I've beem using Dr Hauschka Cleansing Cream which is mild but satisfies my needs and doesn't cause the broken cap reappearance.

AHA's and BHA's are no problem for me (even ISC Active Serum) and I use alot of those acids in my skin care.
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Sun May 14, 2006 8:15 am      Reply with quote
A couple of other things...

-Avoid steroid (hydrocortisone, etc.) topicals on the face.

-No squeezing pimples!

-Avoid extremes of temperature on your face. No steaming, no icing, no sticking your face right in the hot shower.
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Tue May 16, 2006 4:46 pm      Reply with quote
avalange wrote:

3. AHAs are definitely a culprit. Yes, sadly they are. I washed with SC's cleansing cream with AHAs, and my veins were bright red for an entire day (before me treatment). What I want to know is--does anyone have any info on other Acids--like BHAs and glycolics, for example? I am loathe to give up my beloved pumpkin peel, but would really appreciate any feedback on this in general before I capitulate and give up acidic masks for good.


Avalange - quick question - Do AHA's exacerbate both your veins AND broken caps or just your veins? I'm coping with some broken caps on my chest and don't want to worsen the situation. Thanks!

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Tue May 16, 2006 5:09 pm      Reply with quote
Dear LandB--
both!
I think that if you are prone to any kind of redness, AHAs will exacerbate it. The red veins get redder, more pop up, and the broken caps seem more prominent... you can try it and see for yourself! refrain for about a week and then use something with AHAs--they really bring all of those problems to the surface of the skin.

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Tue May 16, 2006 7:26 pm      Reply with quote
avalange - Thanks for the fast reply. I feel like since getting a good skincare regimen going for my face, the contrast with my chest is startling. Time to focus on the chest, now...

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Just had an IPL yesterday and it seems I must give up my beloved IS Clinical Active Serum. The aesthetician says I can keep my Proheal but the other is too Active with the acids and is causing my Rosacea to flare up too much. She said one of the best lines for overly sensitive skin with rosacea is Kinerase, it does not aggrevate it. She was not familiar with the Proheal, but I knew that wasn't the culprit because I had been using that for a year and this was a recent flare up. I had also tried the Prevage MD and she said a lot of people are having trouble with that. She said cold does not hurt the caps to a minimum, they help constrict, so I am using the ice packs for a day for the swelling. Also, as noted before, stop the scrubs and harsh abrasives. (I had tried a sample of the epidermix one time, big BIG NO NO for me!!) Almost forgot, she also mentioned toners, but I had quit using that a while back at the advice of Katee I believe, who said not to mix that and the Dr H CC (or exfoliates) with the Active. Too much and she was right.
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Wed May 17, 2006 7:34 am      Reply with quote
Thank you Annie, and oh I feel for you! When I first had the realization about the acids, I felt all of my fave products being taken away from me... PSF Pumpkin Peel--I'm still delusional and think that maybe it is still okay--I don't want to give it up!
But I must say that just by participating in this forum certain principles of skin care have been become blatantly clear to me, and sometimes it is just about putting our common senses and experiences together...
And you have inspired me to be an IPL-er for life, although I have yet to go in for the the full-face.
I really do think that the key to the reduction of these problems are how you treat your skin, and not what you put on it to get rid of them...
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Wed May 17, 2006 8:57 am      Reply with quote
I have a suggestion for some wonderful products and a peel from Pevonia. The Rosecea line is amazing, it's gentle and the RS2 concentrate cleared up my daughters Rosacea in weeks and now I am putting it on my husbands broken caps and he has years of abuse to take care of. I know they will never go away completely but his skin looks sooooo much better. The Pevonia Enzymo Spheride Peeling Cream is fantastic..just read the ingredients on the EDS site. We all use it no matter what our skin type is and it is so gentle. If you need to find a new peel...this is the one!
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I have the most annoying sensitive skin. Ticks me off. Face gets a slight reddish flush from products or looks irritated. I don't have rosacea but a friend recommended Rosacea Care products. She also has sensitive skin and said the products work really well and are extremely mild and non irritating. They have sample kits for sale on their website. Get lots of bioflavoinoids and green leafy things in your diet. Green tea also is supposed to help. ( I can't stand the taste). Unfortunately scrubs and acids seem to exacerbate the problem and I would stay away from them. Also, use tepid water and not hot or cold. Gentle, gentle, gentle is what you want for your skin. Don't scrub and scratch or pick or rub. So many of us tend to treat our skin like dirty kitchen sinks. The Pevonia line also looks good and I've had luck calming my sensitive skin w/the Kyra products. Also, fragrances will aggravate the skin as will heavy creams ( at least for me). Protect always w/ a good sunscreen with as little ingredients as possible. The sun is notorious for creating the dreaded red capillaries. HTH Bethc
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Wed May 17, 2006 11:24 am      Reply with quote
You'd think I'd learn my lesson w/ trying new things but I just couldn't help it w/ the IS Clinical and the wonderful samples that come from EDS. My hubby went w/ me yesterday to get his hand bones squeezed while I had my full face IPL. First thing he said to Amber (my aesthetician) was "She's been trying new things again" like a preschooler tattling to the teacher, and then they both looked at me like it's my fault I have to go thru the pain (which it is). Every time a box comes from EDS he gives me that look.'Rolling Eyes'
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Mon May 29, 2006 4:08 pm      Reply with quote
Has anyone tried Eucerin's Redness Relief Soothing Cleanser for broken caps? I've been using this product to cleanse my chest (luke warm water and just my bare hands), and I am definitely seeing some reduction in redness. There are other products in the same line and I'd also be curious if others have thoughts about them, too.

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Mon May 29, 2006 5:44 pm      Reply with quote
I tried the Eucerin redness lotion, was too heavy for me.
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