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Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:58 pm      Reply with quote
Hi, does anyone have any recs for a product to help reduce the "tree rings" around my neck??? Laughing
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One of my biggest "plagues" for the longest time was my tree-ring neck. My face is that of an 18 year old, as I near 30. My neck, though very toned, has prominent lines. I'm sure it's mostly genetic, but, I also blame many years of reading in bed with my chin almost into my chest.

I used acids, expensive cremes, you name it.

I don't find myself minding them as much anymore. I think overall health (exercise, water and good skincare) have plumped up the skin and made the lines less obvious... especially the ones at the base of my neck and one of two "rings" on the upper chest. I also go out of my way not to read the way I used to. I force myself to sit up and balance the book/magazine on my knees, or I read on my side.

I think the main factor is just letting it go and realising everyone is likely too busy fixated on their own flaws to notice a few faint things on my neck Laughing

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Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:56 pm      Reply with quote
I always refer to them as tree rings. this is the first time i heard other women do the same!

we could form our own club! Smile
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Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:12 pm      Reply with quote
we are on the same boat now
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:14 pm      Reply with quote
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:59 am      Reply with quote
I used not to take care my neck as I think I am too young to deal with it (i am going to 30). Once I was told that my neck lines were so obvious by my facialist. Then I started to deal with it. just by means of applying facial cream on neck only. but it works, the lines became less obvious and seemed to fade a little bit ( I think) Bad Grin
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:28 am      Reply with quote
Hello Tweety and others

I used to have a couple of light rings when I was younger. I just thought they were natural and they didn't concern me at all. After doing face exercises, which usually includes some neck exercises, for a couple of years or so (can't remember exactly because they weren't a priority) I realised they'd gone.
I'm not a serious genetic, neck-ringed type, but it's an avenue you could well explore.

HTH Molly
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:12 am      Reply with quote
I have two obvious "tree rings" since I was in my teens I suppose. Sad

Hi Molly, can you please give us further information on the face and neck exercises you mentioned? TIA! Razz
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:15 pm      Reply with quote
Hi CK

It's always difficult for me to be concise when it comes to face exercises because I've been at it a long time and tried lots of systems. In the end I make it up myself these days.

I think Facercise (http://www.facercise.com/) really built up my neck muscles strongly because a lot of the exercises involve lying on a bed and lifting your head. If you do the exercises for the jawline - it all connects together. There's a great diagram here showing you that http://www.flexeffect.com/muscles.htm
( Confused I don't recommend Facercise's forehead exercises if you have dynamic lines there)

In retrospect I think I would have taken a gentler approach than this book gives you. I try and incorporate ideas from Juliette Kando (The Natural Facelift) into all my face exercises. She was a ballerina and stresses the importance of warming up and stretching so as not to strain and to tone and not build bulky muscles.

It's quite a comical book in places. She has some quite idiosyncratic ideas, but well worth reading once you're into face exercises. In the end Juliette Kando looks a little more mature than the other facial exercisers, but she looks good for her age and much more natural and relaxed.

(IMHO I think the Facercise and Flexeffect women look a little weird with their overly wide open eyes and square chins - I find them quite off-putting, but I guess it's their living so they can't afford to have a little bit of softness show anywhere)

You see, I've said too much Silenced HTH M
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:02 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Molly, thanks for sharing! You have explained very clearly. Very Happy

I have no sagging issue right now (I'm mid 20's) but I think face and neck exercise is really worth trying for preventative plus I've got these "tree rings". Razz
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Hi CK
I think it's a great preventative. I come from a long line of droopy-jowelled folk. Me and my sisters are all in our forties now and as far as facial tone goes there's such a difference. They used to laugh at me, but now they want to know how...... Laughing
(it's OK, they won't read this - love them really)Embarassed Molly
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Yes, it's my understanding that we can't rely on topicals alone to maintain elasticity of the skin. Wink
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:16 pm      Reply with quote
Smilekate -- as long as the boat doesn't sink!

Molly, thanks for sharing. Good to know there's hope Smile

Everyone -- i found this link that has different facial exercises.

http://www.ageless.co.za/facialneck.htm

Molly, if you have a chance, could you tell me if any of these are similar to the ones in the book? do you think they would be effective based on the movements?

(this is the first time i could post a link!)
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:30 am      Reply with quote
Hi Montrealgal

I saw you'd had these exercises looked over in another thread, but thought I'd reply to this one in case anyone with the tree trunks was watching it.

To be honest, I don't think these are the best exercises I've seen. It's the kind of thing I started off with initially in my twenties I think. What don't I like about them? They're so Eva Fraser and she looks a bit strange and solid around the lips and jowels - see if you can find her picture on the internet you might see what I mean.

These Eva Fraser type exercises are based on repetitions but not resistance against other muscles (isometrics? is it) like Facercise or resistance against weights like Flexeffect so whilst initially you can feel the muscle ,probably because you've only just discovered it, after doing it for a little while it doesn't seem to do much. Unless you do repetitions all day for your career like Eva Fraser obviously has.

I would also not do the lie on the bed and let your head drop over the edge and lift exercise. That's likely to strain your neck muscles as a beginner. You should build up to that. Plus, you really want to do warm up exercises first and gentle exercises leading to more powerful exercises.

No, sorry I don't rate these very highly.

Molly Sad
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:18 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Molly,

Thanks for your input on this. yes, searched for a pix of Eva Fraser - i think i know what you mean, but isn't that *look* due more to bone structure?

i totally agree with you re lifting the next from over the side of the bed!

but one thing i'm wondering about -- while these exercises don't use resistance, do you need it to simply re-train face and neck muscles? wouldn't resistance be more for building muscles? or that what is needed?

now i'm more confused than ever! Laughing
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:25 pm      Reply with quote
I've had those damn tree rings around my neck since I was a child. And now, Agave, since you mentioned the reading in bed thing you got me wondering as I've been doing that all my life.

How is it possible at my age, mid 40s, to have zero wrinkles on my face but I have had the neck of a 100 old woman since I was 12? Genetics? There's always turtlenecks....sigh
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i just came back from exercising and am wondering if sit-ups are the reasons for my tree rings...

i used to work out 6 days a week and did approx 1000 situps each time. now i only work out 3 days a week and do 150-200 situps each time (depending on how you count them!)

i do basic crunches and alternate elbow to knee crunches.

i stopped doing them for a couple of months, mostly because of a neck injury but also concern it was making my neck worse. but... well, let's just say my ab area got gross -- so i restarted (i know they say you can't spot reduce, but i guess it has to do with working the underlying muscles are something like that!)

what do you all think re situps causing neck lines?
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:27 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Montrealgal
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Eva Fraser - i think i know what you mean, but isn't that *look* due more to bone structure?

When you see the movement on TV I don't think so. The muscle there is kind of thick and solid.

I'm not into body building so I'm not sure how to explain this, but there is an explanation at the beginning of both of the books I mention.

These, let's say 'older style exercises' because these also remind me of another book. Tend to use just repetitions and they're a bit wrenching and vigorous. Imagine if you had to tone your upper arm by just throwing it up and down - it would take a lot of movements.

More modern exercise is targetted as are more modern face excercises. You find the muscle, you feel the burn, you do micro movements and less to get the effect and it's against the reistance of other muscles not sort of thrashing about.

The flexeffect, yes that's much more to 'build' muscle than to tone and it's not really for me. I think it works better than other exercises for people who have really lost a lot of tone already because they need to rebuild.

I'll look around for a better explanation. But my experience is the more modern exercises tone better and are not so 'wrenching'.

Molly
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:30 pm      Reply with quote
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what do you all think re situps causing neck lines?


I do abdominal exercises and they smooth my neck out, but we're all different.

I don't do crunches though. I do something much more like I described for the face exercises - so effective.

M
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Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:27 pm      Reply with quote
Molly,

Thanks for your explanation re: the older vs newer facial exercises. I think i understand but if you come up with more on this I'd be interested in hearing it.

Now i *just* have to figure out if I need to 'build' or just tone. Smile
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I do abdominal exercises and they smooth my neck out, but we're all different.

I don't do crunches though. I do something much more like I described for the face exercises - so effective.

M


That's intersting. Life is so unfair! Shock I would do three times as many sit ups if they helped the appearance of my neck! Smile
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