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skincareaid4
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:51 pm  |
| whats the best product that will get results for skin lightening? |
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skincareaid4
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:42 am |
| bump for help |
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:31 am |
I'm in the middle of ordering Peter Thomas Roth Potent Skin Lightening Gel Complex with Hydroquinone (2 oz.) from EDS as we speak..
Don't know if it will work but it was advised by PTR when I emailed them to ask for advice on one of their products that could help.They also advised Potent Botanical Skin Brightener Gel or the Ultra- Gentle Lightening Gel complex. Was very pleased to get this advice as I ahd been intending to order Power K brightener.
No idea if it will work or not but have had brill results from other PTR products more generally.
In the past I have tried:
Salycilic and Glycolic based stuff (better skin texture but no visible difference)
vitamin E (healing in general but no big difference)
Rosehip oil (gave up as it kept staining my clothes) |
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:30 pm |
| Lemon juice |
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skincareaid4
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:31 pm |
| TooInvolved wrote: |
| Lemon juice |
what do i do with it? |
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:23 pm |
Hi Daisylondon
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| I'm in the middle of ordering Peter Thomas Roth Potent Skin Lightening Gel Complex with Hydroquinone (2 oz.) from EDS as we speak.. |
I'm not sure that's a good idea.
You might know all about hydroquinone and have decided on it anyway, so sorry if that's the case, but in case you weren't aware...
Hydroquinone has been banned in Europe for several years. But even before that I remember seeing warnings on any products with hydroquinone in them in the UK. The warning was that it was not suitable for asian or darker skin. I remember seeing a documentary where it had been used on asian skin in over-the-counter products and they looked really mottled. Basically it can switch off melanin production permanently in some cases and create whiter patches on the face. Another thing is some people who use it to treat hyperpigmentation or melasma say when they stop using it has a kick back effect so that the original problem comes back darker than before.
It was also banned in europe because it's considered a possible cancer risk. (What isn't? you might ask)
Kojic acid doesn't have the same safety or user issues.
Just wanted you to be aware. Sorry if you know the risks already.
Molly  |
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SweetChastity
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:19 am |
One reason why it is banned is because it is a mutagenic ingredient i.e. it potentially causes genetic damage to the cell which MAY later be a likely cause to cancer. (Yes, I believe it does kill cells too.)Naturopaths in the UK are bound to raise some din over this.
My dermatologist goes by what is clinically proven results and she will prescribe this. So from what I gather, it works for most people but for others, only to a limited extent, or to no effect.
Asian skins do not heal well from skin damage my knowledge and goes through hyperpigmentation (darkening). So I can imagine why it isn't recommended for darker skin tones.
In most countries, it's allowed as an ingredient at 2% in others, 4%. My 2cents worth.
There are other naturally occuring alternatives like arbutin, kojic acid, bearberry extract & licorice which would work.
I've seen something on a website called skinwhite with all the ingredients which I believe will work and am intending to place an order. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:40 am |
| sweetchastity: could you please post that website? |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:00 am |
"Basically it can switch off melanin production permanently in some cases and create whiter patches on the face.
I wonder if this is what happened to my skin while using that Obagi stuff. I was on the full Obagi program for 6-8 weeks and had no results, other than I noticed that my left cheek has these white patches scattered in between my freckles. Now I am in search of something to even up my skin tone. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:14 am |
| rileygirl: I think the Pete Thomas Roth lightening products without the hydroquinone look good and there are also a couple of products on the diana Yvonne webiste that I'm thinking of trying that are also hydroquinone free lighteners. On the Diana Yvonne webiste you can purchase samples and I might do that first just to see what they are like. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:01 pm |
| Thanks lily. Off to check out DY and PTR! |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:02 pm |
| Kojic acid, licorice root extract, arbutin, azelaic acid will all work to lighten your skin. To limit melanocyte production, vitamin C serum will help. AHA peels are a nice way to get quick results then move on to a regular "bleaching" routine. I like Pevonia's Lightening Gel for spot treatment around my chin area. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:11 pm |
| DHC has the arbutin, and it has several of those ingredients in it that you mention Betterat40. Would you or anyone know if this is a good product? |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:18 pm |
| Mabey try a system like Obagi. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:49 pm |
I tried PTR ultra-light skin-lightening gel with hydroquinone for one month and I didn't see any improvement. Then I decided to switch to something I trust.... Neostrata AHA15 gel, to treat my acne, scar, dark spots at the same time.
Previously I used it for a month, one very little dark spot on my face was lightened. But later I got bored with the stingy feeling every time I applied it and I switched to something else. I picked it up again two weeks ago and now I am very glad that the very faint dark spot disappeared! Another small one next to it starts to fade, though I still have tons of bigger ones.... But at least it is doing something.
This time I will continue to use it for three months and see how well can it go.
P.S., I did pay attention to that skinwhite product when it came out and restrained myself to wait until I see some reviews. Most of them turned out to be negative ones so I am not interested in it any more. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:20 pm |
| I had 1 glycolic peel by Neostrata with citric acid mixed, but it was such a low % that it did not do anything. Maybe I should have kept going back for a series of them! |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:12 pm |
Hi
Someone on another board is going to try this treatment which was recommended by a European laser clinic. It's interesting because they're using different actives to the usual ones - Thiotic acid, Linoleic acid and. Lactic acid. Never heard of thiotic acid before.
http://www.skinmed.co.uk/dermacosmetics/thiospot.html
It makes a point of not using hydroquinone, but my main point for posting this is that it states that Bearberry and Arbutin naturally convert to Hydroquinone in the skin. Well, this is news to me  It says
"Arbutin is the glycoside of hydroquinone and once in the skin the glycoside chain is removed releasing Hydroquinone, but inexplicably Arbutin containing products are still legal and available for sale in Europe. Lastly, and just as worrying to many, Bearberry is found in a number of well known skin lightening agents and Bearberry is a natural source of Arbutin."
Don't all panic! I have no idea if this is true, and I wonder how concentrated the doses of hydroquinone would be if it comes from a natural source anyway. But if it is true I'd rather avoid it and Arbutin is contained in a lot of popular skincare products.
Does anyone know any more about that?
BTW I find Vit C one of the most helpful things for my hyperpigmentation along with a good level of AHA exfoliation.
Thanks, Molly |
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skincareaid4
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:16 pm |
| what are some products i can purchase at like cvs. just some kind of product to wipe on my face to REALLY clean all the dirt off and also lighten my skin tone. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:22 pm |
That's a kind of a strange request. Not sure it exists.
Most of us would cleanse effectively as step one and then apply a topical like kojic acid or Vit C on freshly cleansed skin so that it can absorb.
If you feel you've got dirt on your face then you need a better cleanser, but you can't just wipe cleanser and a topical active over your face in one go.
You may be able to buy a toner with some skin lightening actives in it, but then it's not going to be strong enough to do it's job, most likely. |
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:00 pm |
I'm using PSF Vit. C 12% solution to great effect for spot lightening and I am East Indian with a medium to dark complexion, especially now that it's summer.
Hydorquinone and I are not friends. Used a H-based product from Reviva labs this past winter and ended up with a white patch on my nose that only now is becoming a little less noticable.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:49 am |
| I read at an arabic forum about C-vitamin shots that gives lighter skin it also evens out the skin color. |
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:30 am |
Well, I am already using Super Serum by ISC. Have been for almost 2 months now. Where it has helped tremendously, that alone is not enough for me! Thanks for the suggestions though.  |
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:35 am |
While searching on the internet I found several interesting products. Was wondering if anyone has heard of them.
1. Euoko (Carrara) skin lightening serum (very expensive but if it would work, well worth it!)
2. Cosmesis (combination of alpha arbutin and red tea)
3. Civant (which sounds to be very similar to Euoko).
Anyone heard of any of these products? |
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:06 am |
Hi Rileygirl
I can't understand  Why are you looking at Alpha-Arbutin products when you know they convert to Hydroquinone and you think it gave you hypopigmenation?
Is there something different about *Alpha*-Arbutin maybe? |
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:26 am |
This is what I found for arbutin:
"Alpha Arbutin is a non-irritating skin lightening serum that will help to correct uneven skin tone. Alpha-Arbutin was formulated to mimic the behavior of Hydroquinone without exposing the dermis to the risks of rebound-hyperpigmentation - were the area of skin being treated is becomes more discolored than it was prior to treatemt."
I guess I was just hoping that it would have a different effect on the hypopigmentation! |
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