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Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:23 pm      Reply with quote
Early in the Spring, my older sister gave me a really great gift, which I think I've mention here. It was a certificate for a series of 8 Gentle Waves treatments. The deal is that you go in once per week for a microdermabrasion followed by a 90 second Gentle Waves treatment. The Gentle Waves is basically photorejuvenation light therapy - pulsing orange light.

I couldn't have been more delighted with the results! My skin really loved it - all plumped and firm and glowy. Some docs do the Gentle Waves two times per week for 5 weeks for a total of 10 treatments, without the microdermabrasion (obviously some skin can't tolerate that much microdermabrasion !!!).

After the initial series, the maintenance schedule my derm recommended was a microderm followed by the GW every 6 to 8 weeks. The series of eight treatments cost my sis $550 and I would have been happy to pay that sum for a year's worth of maintenance...

But, actually, my rave isn't for the Gentle Waves series!!! Well, actually it IS, but when I was talking to my derm about how much I loved the results, she said to me - "OK look - this probably isn't in my best interest, but I'm going to clue you in to something. She proceeded to tell me about a device made by this outfit called Advanced Therapeutics. They make a professional photorejuvenation device called the Quasar. The Quasar has 24 LEDs (light emitting diodes) utilizing “four different” wavelengths in the red to infrared wavelength range. It sells for $1,650 - thousands less than a Gentle Waves unit but wayyyyyy too rich for my blood.

However, they also make something called the Baby Quasar. The Quasar is to be used once per week - the Baby Quasar is to be used twice per week according to the manufacturers instructions. However, she told me to use it every other day. IT costs $800 on their website, but can be purchased via Amazon or on eBay from the guy who owns Advanced Therapeutics for $350-$400. One year warranty and a very generous return policy.

I was extremely skeptical, but she has never steered me wrong and is one of the foremost laser / light experts in the world. I figured what the hell - for $350 it was worth a try. If it was an utter failure (which, to be honest, is what I expected), I knew I could return it for nothing more than the cost of shipping.

Well, I just can't tell you how absolutely blown away I am by this thing!!! I've only used it four times and the results are more dramatic than the entire Gentle Waves series !!! You feel NOTHING at all - not even the minor sensation that's associated with microcurrent devices like NuFace. The very first time I used it, my entire face firmed right up. I have deep set eyes - after this, it looked like I had undergone a browlift or something ! The effect of the first treatment diminished after about 24 hours, but now, after four treatments, the results seem to persist.

For people who have moisture issues or problems with pigmentation, they recommend using a hyaluronic acid serum before the treatment (or a skin lightening serum if the issue is pigmentation). I normally don't have moisture problems, but after a weekend of non stop margaritas and no sleep, I decided to try it. HOLY SH*T!!! I swear my bf did a double take when I walked out of the bathroom. The results are truly amazing.

I am just so delighted by this thing! I had been reading about NuFace, but I have a Dermal Tone and I just wasn't convinced the NuFace was all that much better - especially given its price. The Dermal Tone is a pain in the neck, cause it has to be placed just right, etc etc., but it IS effective, albeit inconvenient. With this Baby Quasar, however, I think I can retire my Dermal Tone for good !
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:10 am      Reply with quote
I swear that I really thought about the fact that y'all would KILL me if I posted this Exclamation Laughing Exclamation

The amount of time a treatment takes really varies, depending on how you use it. The manufacturer recommends dividing your face in half and then dividing each side into three areas - a total of six areas - then going over each area first with a lower frequency light setting, then a higher for 2 minutes each (the device beeps at 2 minute intervals). Then, you can switch to the higher wave, continuous setting, and use that all over for 4 minutes, concentrating on spots that need extra help. If done that way, a complete treatment lasts about 28 minutes.

My derm's recommendation differed a bit. She knows my skin and also is knowledgeable about the device. I have resilient skin that she says is quite thick (something she says is VERY good, although I have to admit I didn't like the sound of THAT Very Happy ) AND I had just completed a Gentle Waves series. Sooooo, she told me to divide my face (from the eyes down) into two halfs and to do 4 minutes on each side with the high, continues wave frequency (the interval cycle with the continues wave gives you a beep after 4 minutes, as opposed to 2 minutes with the other 2 cycles), then do a final 4 minutes on my forehead (including between my eyes and just under my eyebrows (but not on my eyelids obviously...). Using her method, a treatment takes a total of 12 minutes. She said I could do it everyday if I wanted to, but that after a couple of weeks, she said I'd find that I could make do with every other day if I preferred. She said to keep my eyes closed when moving the device over and just under my eyebrow. The maker recommends wearing protective goggles but she said it isn't necessary. In fact, during the Gentle Waves treatments, again, the manufacturer provides goggles, but ever practitioner I know just has you keep your eyes closed. The treatment is very beneficial to the eye area and the goggles would impede that...

No side effects at all. The only contraindicators mentioned are epilepsy, pregnancy, cortison or steroid use, and cancer fighting drugs.

One thing I don't think I mentioned in my review: I had some broken caps on the sides of my nose, near my nostrils and was thinking about getting them zapped with an IPL treatment. They're gone now Razz

I haven't used the device anywhere on my body yet, but I do think I'm going to start doing my decolletage as well. They DO tell you not to pass the device directly over your thyroid gland. They said that when NASA tested the use of light therapy they thought it might have some mild effect on the thyroid. Apparently the tests, which were extensive, showed no effect, but the manufacturer said they'd still rather NOT pass the device directly over the gland. I concur completely. When it comes to things like that, I'm SUPER cautious....
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:43 am      Reply with quote
I might put try to shed some light on the question about why you do the other procedures even with the great IS Clinical results, although I can't speak for Katee. I also go get microdermabrasions and facials even as the IS does great things for my skin. MY med/spa helps remove dead skin that builds up and because of my rosacea I could easily cause inflammation. It doesn't hurt to have a spa grade exfoliation now and then, plus they will do extractions, masks, steaming, etc. Even if this Baby quasar is great, I would probably still have them done. (Plus our family gives these as gifts for pampering ourselves at Christmas, birthdays.) Micro is great for smoothing and evening out texture, tone, etc.
I talked to my esthetician about the Baby and she knows a few spas that use them, not as intense results as IPLs's, but the pulsed light seems to plump up the collagen, which in turn minimizes the lines.
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:16 am      Reply with quote
this might help its about gentle waves:

How the GentleWaves™ LED Photomodulation System Works
• GentleWaves for skin rejuvenations the only device to utilize Photomodulation technology. It uses energy from LED sources, delivered at proprietary fluences and pulse algorithms, specifically matched to the cellular processes that enhance skin
rejuvenation. This patented technology is only available with the GentleWaves device.

• The first fully integrated anti-aging program, it includes the LED device and a complete skin care regimen designed to enhance and maintain the results of treatment. The home skin care products feature dermatologist-tested cosmeceuticals and scientifically developed nutraceuticals to complement the GentleWaves LED Photomodulation procedure.

GentleWaves™ Features and Benefits
• No side effects, downtime or pain
• Remarkably safe and effective for all skin types
• Non-invasive, non-ablative and non-thermal so there's no injury to the skin surface
• Fast and convenIent: Takes less than 5 minutes
• Treats large areas such as the entire face or chest
• No aftercare is needed
• Comprehensive anti-aging skin care regimen for home use
• Affordable and cost-effective
• Compatible with other skin rejuvenation techniques
• No modification to the treatment room in the doctor's office is required.
• No new staff or additional training

How is GentleWaves™ Unique?
• Current high-tech skin rejuvenation therapies operate via photothermolysis to thermally injure tissue and induce a wound healing response or use chemicals to peel damages tissue. However, wound healing responses are proven are unpredictable and are an imperfect mechanism for achieving new collagen production.

• Gentle Waves is the first and only LED device to receive marketing approval for a medical claim associated with cosmetic improvement of aging and sun-damaged skin. It improves the skin without relying on high energy sources and heat damage. For the first time, we are slowing down collagen breakdown and building up new collagen with no pain, no redness and no serious side effects.

• Gentle Waves uses specially coded arrays of light emitting diodes to modulate the activity of living cells. Unlike other laser, pulsed-light or radiofrequency techniques used for skin rejuvenation, the core technology of this device delivers very low-intensity, non-thermal light energy to stimulate collagen and reverse the appearance of photoaging.
It is also excellent for treatment of the hands, neck and chest areas.

so if I read this right thermage ect use extreme heat to damage skin so new collagen can grow; this does same without the heat and damage.
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:31 am      Reply with quote
Hi Everyone,

Here are some links for those who want to know more about the BQ. Please note that all the product info is from the seller of the product, Advanced Therapeutics. And yes, it is the same seller selling on ebay.

http://ledtherapeutics.com/

http://www.cosmeticlight.com/products_baby.html

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FKILJW/103-5229176-2797421?v=glance&n=3760901

If I was in the US I would probably jump on the bandwagon since I could return it easily if I wasn't happy with it. But I will wait to hear other testimonials, especially re: how it works for hyper-pigmentation and see if I can find some research from a third-party source before buying.

Those who have purchased -- good luck! Would appreciate hearing your experiences. Hoping for all of us that this product is a winner! wave
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I typed that answer hours ago but just sent it. I didn't realize that there had been so much back and forth in the interim....

Just a couple of things that come to mind. First - on the microdermabrasion process: most derms have abandoned the old crystal spray mechanism in favor of diamond microdermabrasion. Instead of the spray of what I believe were aluminum oxide crystals, they now use a diamond tipped wand. It literally sands the dead skin away and vacuums it up. I had no irritation or redness at all.

The Gentle Waves procedure (and the Quasar that mimics it) is different from IPL. IPL treatments can be felt - in fact, many practitioners use a numbing cream. With Gentle Waves, and its variants, you have the option of pulsing or continuous wave light - but you don't feel anything at all. The light is deep penetrating and is meant to excite collagen production. The effects are not temporary.

NASA did a series of extensive studies on the use of deep penetrating light to enhance tissue growth. The procedure has been used for years to promote healing and tissue regrowth. It has become a standard treatment for burn recovery. It is only recently that it has been utilized for cosmetic purposes. There are alot of handheld "photrejuvenation" devices out there. But, as I understand it, most of them aren't strong enough to have much effect. I spent some time reading the NASA studies before I went ahead with the Gentle Waves treatments and found them absolutely fascinating.

Anyway, I thought I would just add that. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm the ultimate skeptic. I prefer science over magic. Also, there are very few things in this world that induce euphoria for me - and NONE of them are related to skincare Wink .
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for those interested in the device for acne, i received this response from Alex:

"There have been may clinical studies showing the benefits of Red pulsed light helping in the reduction of acne. I will attach a link to one such study at the end of this PM. In my opinion light therapy is the best treatment for acne currently available. Light therapy helps decrease inflammation and irritation in the skin. This process reduces the production of excess sebum, the primary cause of acne. Without sebum there will be nowhere for the acne bacteria to manifest itself. Blue light has also been used to help in the reduction of the acne bacteria. From our clinical trials we have gotten much better results with the Red than with with the Blue. Although, using both has been proven to be the most effective treatment....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&list_uids=16766484&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Citation&indexed=google "

between the raves (especially since it was started by katee who introduced us to ISC), and this info, i was ready to take the plunge and be the guinea pig for folk with acne. i may not be as bad as some of the younger members, but it is still a constant battle. unfortunately, they're back-ordered -- thanks, i'm sure to this thread....
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Since I've been at this longer than anyone, I figured it was probably good to post an update...

My skin always FEELS different immediately after a treatment, but it isn't as if I look one way BEFORE, then very different immediately after. However, I had taken a close up photo of my face (for another purpose - i.e. I needed to renew my passport) two days before I started using the Baby Quasar.

Yesterday, I got up in the morning and washed my face, but didn't go thru my usual routine because my intention was to do a treatment and wanted to do it on bare skin. As it turned out I got sidetracked and ultimately completely distracted. Suddenly, it was 4pm and I realized that I still hadn't put anything on my skin nor had I done a treatment. I winced before looking in the mirror figuring I wasn't going to like what I saw, especially since I've been operating on about 4 hours sleep per nite this week.

I was pretty astonished at what I saw. I looked REALLY good. My skin was firm, my color even, yet I had this overall healthy glowy look! (I usually attribute that to a combination of Prevage MD and the ISC serums...lol) Most notable though was the area around my eyes. That is the one area where it really shows when I'm particularly tired and there is no question that my eyes always look better, firmer, etc AFTER I use whatever eye product I enlist (i.e. am or pm). Well, my entire eye area was firm and smooth and more lifted than they were previously even after using something like Decleor serum or the PSF cranberry stuff.

I also have been concentrating some effort on some broken caps around my nose, even though I didn't expect much since I've been sneezing my brains out lately (seasonal allergies etc). I also have a network of spider veins on one ankle that have been there since I hurt my ankle playing tennis last August. The broken caps around my nose are barely visible and the stuff on my ankle is very significantly diminished.

When my bf got home, I got him to take another photo. By then, I had done my treatment, rewashed my face, and done my usual routine. Looking at the pics side by side, the overall difference would be noticeable to anyone.

So, I continue to be pretty delighted with this thing. I'm seeing improvements in places that I honestly didn't think needed improvement as well in areas that indeed were of concern.

I should also mention that I've been using the highest setting right from the start. In the beginning, I was doing a treatment every day. Now, I'm doing it every other day. I didn't change by choice. It's just a VERY busy and hectic time of year for me, and at the end of the day, I usually have at least a half dozen things that I had intended to do, but just didn't get around to doing. And, then I pass out !!!!
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PocoLoco wrote:
Greg, did you get the red flashing light into your eyes at all? Your symptoms are consistent with migraine...and flashing lights are a classic migraine trigger.


Yes that is exactly what happened i'm sure. I had it on the flashing orange setting and I did get it in my eyes. I will make sure to keep my eyes closed from now on. Ouch I have never had a migraine before but now i know how those that get them feel.
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Yes, that's what I mean by "avoiding nostrils." I used to put it on the skin between my nose and lips and a few days later I got whiteheads right inside my nostrils (ew). Re-examining my instructions, I saw Julie has "avoid nostrils," and I'm certain that's why. Just an extra-sensitivity there.

"Beg oils" -- although it sounds like a proprietary formula, is a typo. :-> Veg oils. Jojoba oil is a godsend to my sebaceous skin. And there's the rub. We shouldn't call the oil in our skin "oil." It is not. It is sebum, which is thicker and waxier than oil, and also problematic, which oil is not. Oils dilute it and make our sebum flow. Oil is crucial to skin health. Those of us who have extra sebum are lucky. It makes our skin stronger, thicker, and more resilient. The problem occurs when the sebum gets too thick, stops flowing, and combines with dead skin and bacteria.

Oils "melt" sebum so it can flow. Jojoba oil is great, for me. Macadamia and kukui oils get great reviews. Emu does, too, although my skin doesn't really agree. It's all trial and error, I'm afraid. But these trials and errors are so much healthier than BP or, for those who remember, BRASIVOL (Good Lord, what were we thinking? Wanna wash your face with wet cement, anyone? :-\)

TCA peels remove the top skin cells -- I agree that those at perfectcomplexion seem pretty goof-proof. TCA Latte certainly is. I would hesitate to use anything that would make my entire face fall off, like photos I've seen.

I wash with OCM + PEG olivate to make it water soluble, and a pinch of salt (baking soda just doesn't do it for me, but that's ME). I tone with a hydrosol + salicytic acid + some alcohol (again, my thick sebum needs this final alcohol rinse). I used to stop there. Bad mistake. My poor skin, desperate to lubricate itself, went into overdrive, re-sebumized itself, and the thick stuff couldn't get through the tightened pores and... bumpity-bump-bump. I now add a serum with jojoba base -- also rosemary and tea tree eo to keep bacteria at bay. I add watermelon seed oil (lighter) and hazelnut oil (slightly astringent) in summer. (Yes! Oils can be astringents! YES!)

My skin is very happy now. My next project is to add chemical skin actives to combat aging. Hence the TCA. I've always been rather "ageless," (thanks, mom), but I'd like the second half of my life to be even healthier than the first. So skin nutrition and protection is key.

SO sorry for the novel, especially in a thread about something else (very bad form, I apologize). I'll stop now. Any more questions, PM me, or we can start a new thread, okay? Thanks.

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Hello everyone. I am new to this board and have been reading all the posts about this specific equipment- BQ and Q. I wanted to address some things that might give you some insight into this technology, treatment etc. I have extensive experience in the aesthetic field, dermatology and plastic surgery. Not only do I have aesthetic treatments but I have over 24 years of performing aesthetic treatments.

So to possibly give you insight as to whether light based treatments can break down fillers and /or botox can be rather tricky. I know that in the medical conferences I have attended where the developers/researchers of IPL-intense pulsed light- ( not the same as LED treatements),...the physicians say that IPL treatments "appear not to effect" these fillers/botox but they are not exactly sure because the IPL technology has not been around a long time and clinical studies have not been done specifically on this particular problem. So basically what I am saying is that no one knows for sure at this time. So if no one knows if IPL will cause fillers/botox to break down quickly then no one knows for sure whether LED treatments will do the same thing. The much quoted NASA study was not about the effects of LED lights on fillers/botox. Basically, people are guessing at this point. IS it possible that light based treatments degrade these fillers/botox......we will probably know over time. Will light based treatments enhance fillers/botox......we will know over time, as well. We are "lab rats" at this point.

Since most maunfacturers of LED equipment do not do controlled clinical studies nor have their studies appear in peer-reviewed medical journals, then it is extremely hard to know whether their equipment does what it says it does. Most are here-say. Most, if not all,manufacturers of LED equipment quote the NASA study about the effects of LED's, but these same manufacturers did not send their equipment to NASA to be tested to see if their equipment does what it says it does. Manufacturers claim they use the same LED specifications as NASA, but the question is, do they have data to back up what their particular equipment is suppose to do. Do they present detailed protocols, clear before/after pictures? Most don't. If you were to go to a medical conference you would see DATA and not," OH I think it may work". There is a ton of snake oil out there in my field and its frustrating for everyone. Unfortunately, consumers, especially women, fall prey to this marketing and base information on testimonials rather than data and research on that particular piece of equipment. Testimonials are good but not the be- all. "IN GOD WE TRUST....ALL OTHERS BRING DATA"

Data trumps all testimonials.

Also, many quote that they have FDA approval. The FDA is concerned about the safety of a particular piece of equipment, cosmetic ingredient, drug, or food. The FDA is not concerned whether something does what it says it does. Safety is their main concern and what that particular thing is intended for, Many consumers believe that all skin care products have been tested by the FDA. That is false. The FDA tests ingredients as to their safety and not whether they even work. There are so many new ingredients out there that the FDA has not tested them. The FDA is not in the business to approve a particular cleanser, scrub, etc or whether spinach works,......its concerns are about safety. Safety is a good thing but results are different. Rita
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Ok - I really do have to kick in here. I also hope that nobody takes offense, because offending people isn't my intent.

One of the great things about boards like this is that, in addition to reading the scientific data that's out there, you also have the opportunity of peer review, and NOT the testimonials of individuals who the manufacturer chooses to feature on their sites.

However, one of the problems is the tendency toward mass hysteria. Annie has been using the BQ and now the Quasar. She experienced something regarding its effect on her botox and restylane. As far as I can tell, what happened to Annie is atypical. I've had botox and have had the opposite experience. I don't honestly know if the BQ (which is what I was using until a few days ago), has prolonged the effect of my botox injections, or has simply alleviated the need for botox. Either way, it has been more than six months since I got botox and right now have absolutely no need for a touch up.

Annie also has sensitive skin. I don't know if this has played a role in what happened to her. I think she did the absolutely responsible thing by mentioning it here. It is definitely something that users of the device want to keep in mind.

I feel bad that she invested money in the injections, and that the money was wasted. But I honestly don't see how the BQ's manufacturer bears ANY financial responsibility.

As for Rita55's post, I'm not sure exactly what her point is. I think it's obvious than the manufacturer of an LED device hasn't submitted it to NASA for review. It isn't NASA's job. They'd promptly send it back! Johnson & Johnson did the definitive study on DMAE. Many of us use DMAE and adore the stuff. Do we ask our formulator if they submitted their DMAE to Johnson & Johnson ????? Of course not!

I also find the anecdotal information on microdermabrasion machines to be specious. Yes, when they first came out, they cost a small fortune. Today, the best machine is just a few thousand dollars. Not surprising at all. When cd players and dvd players first came out THEY cost a fortune. Now, they are state of the art and the price has come way down. The same is true of digital cameras. Cell phones used to be reserved for the rich and famous. Now my 12 year old niece has one! (she's not rich and famous Wink ).

Rita55's posts are quite long, but frankly, I can't find ANY actual information in them. If she thinks the Quasar is a piece of crap, why not just say THAT? Nobody, except perhaps James, would be offended. I can't help but notice that the ONLY posting Rita55 has done is in this thread. For someone who claims such vast knowledge about skincare, I, for one, find that peculiar.

Patty, you're a sweetheart, but you've been a total nervous wreck since you purchased the device!!! Laughing.... I understand that you are embarking on a new business, and I truly understand all the stress that that involves.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I think we should really make an effort to keep the hysteria to a minimum. My own experience with the BQ was such that I found the manufacturers' claims to be very modest in comparison to the results I got. And THAT is a very rare occurrence. Since Annie posted her observations, I've sensed a growing hysteria around this topic. Each of us obviously has to use their own judgement about any product or device. We all know that what works for one of us doesn't necessarily work for another. And, I suppose the "lemming" works in both directions.

I could say more, but my post is already alot longer than I intended it to be. And, before I forget....

Happy New Year to all!
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I also think that if someone legitimately has a question, the appropriate (and courteous) thing to do is to ask it, and then allow the other party to answer. I've always found James to be remarkably responsive. I don't think I've ever heard a single complaint about AT's customer service from ANYONE !


Katee, I do agree. However AT's response to hkyarrington did not answer her question and concerns. Perhaps James did not understand her question. He was very kind to explain it to perfection today.

Yes, James and AT has been absolutely wonderful! I have had several questions and James has always been there for me when I have called. The only reason I asked for his reply to hkyarrington was so he did not have to repeat himself many times in emails. I also wanted an answer to her concerns.

In regard to AT being great to us, we also have been wonderful to AT. If it was not for EDS I would have never purchased the BQ (which I love). AT has received a tremendous amount of business through EDS. Surely James is more than glad to address our concern. Sometimes running a business can be a royal pain but hopefully one reaps the rewards.

Thank you hkyarrington for being persistant. You did what so many times I want to do. Rolling Eyes
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I made the assumption that the pointers you provided above would be the "best" examples of research using your device or on LED light therapy.

I went to each of these links, and have been really underwhelmed with the information.

1)A number of these point NOT to studies but articles written in the newletter for a specific device and are not independent. These also are more focused on acne then on skin rejuventation
2)A number of these links document that skin rejuventation is a controversial topic or results for this are not long lasting
3)Some of these links provide just a high level summary from which it is difficult to view the results.

a There does not appear to be scientific studies - double blind on effectiveness.
My Specific interest is in Antiaging and skin rejevenation.

I note the following from one study:
"'Antiaging' Visible red light at 660nm activates ATP in skin cells and increase the rate of production of collagen for a few days, giving a lifting effect. No permanent improvement of skin aging has been demonstrated, but completion of the healing of skin damage does seem to proceed faster.


I do not think that you answered these questions. Could you please answer them with pointer to studies or research or please let us know that you do not have it.

1) Are there any research studies using the Baby Quasar or Quarsar SP for skin rejuventation? If so, please provide the link (NOT to studies you say are using the same wavelength)

2)Are there studies documenting the long term impacts on the skin from using LED light therapy?
If so, please provide the specific links.

I also want to say that I was one click away from a purchase but it is a lot of money. I could not find research on my own, so that is why I turned to you James, knowing the company would be able to point me to the information.

It seems there is benefit for pain, blue light some help for acne, but can not find from the research you provided, support for skin rejuvenation.

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Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:02 pm      Reply with quote
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Doba,

so do I.
If you get new recommendations from James - please, let me know as well.

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Lucy,
I spoke to James and told him that after six times I don't see any improvement. He told me that after three times he likes people to use it differently. He asked several questions and here is my new routine: I will still use it every 7 days, however, I am not going to use orange light any longer. I will start with red light first. After that I will use CW-the green light for 4 minutes per section. And if want I can continue to use the cone on problem areas (I plan to use it on the areas that are hard to reach, such as my nose). He also told to use a cleanser and exfoliater before each use. He suggested 2MM by Ice Elements and their cleanser. After the treatment, I have to wash my face and apply a good moisturizer. I hope that this will work. Smile If not, James will suggest something else. Wink
Lucy, please call James and talk to him because my routine might not be good for you.


Yes -

Here is a little more detail:

First, I ENCOURAGE GREATLY that you keep in touch with me.

Now, I do prefer you FIRST use a cleanser (typically non-foaming) that is catered to your skin type (normal-to-dry, normal-to-oily) and wash your face. (I get mine from Ice Elements). Pad your face dry and make sure it "cools off".

Then, in a non-humid area (humid areas are like your bathroom), use Ice Elements 2MM (2 minute miracle) exfoliating gel. It can take a few times to get it just right, but apply a thin layer to your face, let it sit for about 2-3 minutes, and then rub your skin in massaging circles. You will notice "balls" build up, which accoring to Ice Elements is not the product, but your skin. This isn't something you use every day, but about once every 3 days.

Wash your face CLEAN of ANY PRODUCT. I want you to perform your light therapy treatment on skin clean of any left over product.

Now, just like mentioned, I prefer that you see how you respond after following the general guidelines the first 2-3 weeks, and then "graduate" to the the higher level by abandoning the low frequency (orange) setting.

Instead, start with the High Frequency (red indicator) for two minutes per each section (6 in total), and complete all each sections (12 min. in total). Then follow with th Continuous Wave Moe (green indicator) for four minutes per section and compplete all sections of the face (24 min.)

After you have completed this, apply a great moisturizer to your skin. I have fallen in love with the moisturizer that I got from Ice Elements.

If you have products that do what I have mentioned above and they work great for you, continue using them. I, and other customers, have had such positive results from Ice Elements (specifically the products I mentioned), that I am using them as a source.

NOW MOST IMPORTANT, is how you are performing the technique. It is hard to make it look as simple as it is when typed out in black and white, so give me a call and we can go over it.

From there, I will further monitor your response and results and figure out if more frequent use, less use, or spot treatments in between will help you achieve results or better results than you are currently experiencing.

Again, my recommendations vary, and I may change up your routing a few times unti lwe get it just right. It was best said above "I hope that this will work. Smile If not, James will suggest something else. Wink
Lucy, please call James and talk to him because my routine might not be good for you."

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angelina thank you for mentioning that. I wasn't quite sure. Wink

I just want to let you know that my post was more so an attempt to clarify where I stand on James, research and posting questions.

As for refuting research studies. I really don't expect James to refute them although I do get the impression that he will try! My comment about providing studies that directly refute another study is something I like to see because I find it particularly convincing but perhaps on this I was asking too much.

A little dilemma I guess. Confused

If I post a concern or question the effectiveness then James will feel the need to respond because even it is not about his devices in particular he still must believe they are safe/effective and will want to show everyone that this is the case. So James ends up in a position that he might not want to be in for many reasons-legal, not being a scientist that has done such studies,etc.

Or if I have a concern or want more proof on something and don't say it then other members might miss some valuable information that would help them make a better decision. The safety issue is something that I particularly feel should be brought up so that others can make a choice.

Thoughts anyone?? Should I refrain from such questions or what would be a good way of going about it? I have avoided trying to make James feel that he has to answer my questions but perhaps there is a better way.
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I just wanted to stick my oar in here and tell you all why I was quick to buy the BabyQ once I had heard about it (on this forum). A few years ago (maybe 4 or 5) I read in an English women's magazine about a Dr McDaniel. He was a dermatologist and had noticed that patients treated with LED light for dermatological problems had the additional benefit of reduced lines and better skin tone. He was quoted in that article as saying that he saw no reason why there should not be development for home use. His system at the time was called 'Gentle Wave'. For a couple of years after that I fairly frequently Googled both his name and 'Gentle Wave' and came up with nothing, so I gradually forgot. When I found this forum and saw Katee's original post which referred to 'Gentle Wave', I knew immediately that I wanted to try the BabyQ. I know this isn't strictly speaking a Gentle Wave device, but it is, I gather, the same technology. For me, with my skin problems (the same ones Dr McDaniel was treating), the BabyQ has been a boon. A patch of eczema started on my back two weeks ago and, while it hasn't completely gone with daily treatment, it certainly has abated and has not spread any further. From past experience I would now expect to be covered almost head-to-toe and I would be on oral steroids (nasty, nasty). I guess the point I'm making is that this sort of device was already in use for skin problems and the anti-aging (we hope) is a by-product: it is not an especially new treatment and it was in use for skin treatment quite a few years ago. What is new is that there is now a device available for home use, thankfully.

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Hi folks,

New here and been following with peaked interest the BQ and Quasar discussions. First off, I really have to commend James on going above and beyond the call of duty when it comes to customer service! Anyway, I searched this forum for info/reviews on an LED device I've seen for sale online for the same price as the BQ called the DPL light therapy system available for sale at a website called Light4beauty or something like that. I haven't found any reviews in this forum about it and wondering if anyone has heard of/tried it? I was wondering if anyone has experience with it and how it compares with the BQ and Quasar SP. It is stationary -- you apparently just sit with your face right in front of it for 9 minutes per day I think? Seems easier to me than using a wand. And it has quite a few more actual LED lights than the BQ and SP -- 154 Infrared at 880 nm's and 20 red at 660 nm's. The power output is 4 joules/cm2. I don't know if it uses a pulse or not or HOW is a pulsed light better than a stationary one. Although I did read in a dermatologic review of physician-quality Photo rejuvenation devices that a pulsed light was better. So James and all...what can you tell me about the DPL and how it compares? For me, it's between the DPL and the Quasar SP. THanks!


Welcome to the community wmnfolk! I only have a few seconds to comment here.

**First, let me tell you that the Baby Quasar was never developed or designed with the intention of being a consumer device. It is actually a professionally designed and manufactured device (still to this day).

When the Quasar line was designed, the vision was this:

1. Offer a Light Therapy solution that is affordable, but does not sacrifice professional/medical grade, a professional feel, and is made of quality materials. We also had to figure out how to produce more power than what was offered back those many years ago to stay ahead of the curve and limit our customers from having to upgrade when we knew the curve of better circuitry and LEDs was coming soon.

2. We wanted to offer a more space saving, portable device. Professionals already had so much on their table tops (Microderm machines, product, etc.). So we had to figure out how to eliminate the box. That wasn't so hard (when not pulsating the light).

3. We wanted to utilize the pulsating settings that were found beneficial (here comes the controversy), instead of just the continuous wave of light, like the finer manufacturers. This was very hard, but was accomplished and all the circuitry, brainboard, etc. were built in the handled by a simple toggle switch on the back of the head, instead of turning a dial or hitting buttons on a box.

Mission accomplished. Quasar SP born.

One problem? Our device was great and was selling, but we listened to the feedback of "where is the little pen wand so I can do the nose and harder to reach areas?"

So the first inclination was to build a miniaturized version of the Quasar SP. A "baby" version if you will Smile

We wanted it to be EXACTLY like the SP, but smaller. It would offer less power than that of our SP, but would be WAY more powerful than those touch up wands.

Originally, it sold for over $800.00 as a "touch" up wand because we wanted a competitive advantage over the "pen lights" other systems offered for the hard to reach places.

Well, it went o.k. But this still wasn't the solution. We wanted to SAVE space, which we were still doing, but now you need two Red/Infrared devices? Not our vision.

Then, the concentrating cone was developed with a rubber gasket attached to the removable Quasar SP head and there it was! Everything you get in a Professional/Medical grade manufactured Light Therapy solution in a wand that plugs directly into the wall, and came in a very industrial case for portability (if necessary) and storage.

Problem two? We have an "abandoned baby" Confused Then the idea was born to figure out how to streamline our internal process from all aspects of the business, purchase more material, and get the price down to have the only Professional "consumer" device available on the market at a consumer price (I know that is views on price are relative).

We now had a "reborn Baby". Smile

So, you are buying a professional device, which is why you see amazing results, exposure, and controversy over the Baby.

I believe that LightStim is the only consumer (made for consumer) device that is an affordable alternative. Someone did a half face comparison and found the Baby to produce results faster and I believe with slightly different results? The LightStim still works, just a takes a little while longer and possibly more frequent use.

The DPL is a great concept. I think they are really on to something there. I only speak highly of our quality competition like GentleWaves and Revitalight because, while I cannot speak for their customer service, they do offer great Light Therapy Devices. I will never bash or put down another company.

If you want a "comparison" and better understanding of the DPL, please feel free to give me a call on my cell phone or at the office today. (This does not incinuate anything about the DPL)

Let me explain POWER (JOULES).

I have posted this many times because I don't want consumers and professionals alike to be misguided.

The exact calculation you need to look for is Joules of Light, Per Centimeter Squared, Per Minute. You do not want anything missing.

Why?

Using your example, "4 Joules per centimeter squared". How long does it take to produce 4 Joules per centimeter squared?

This is for TheresaL Laughing
You can take a BMW or Mercede with LED tailights, stick your face to it and get a 4 joules of light to hit your face. Just get someone to put their foot on the brake. Eventually 4 joules of light will come out, but how long? Disclaimer: DO NOT TRY THIS! Just an analogy.

You will find other manufacturers who will tell you our device produces 30 Joules of Light per minute! Well, where is the centimeter squared that will bring that number way down?

Make Sense?

There are other questions that come to mind like "wave harmonics", specifically negative ones that will cancel out the waves (energy, power) hitting your skin depending on the design as well. It is hard to say that you can completely eliminate negative harmonics, but there are many who possibly never thought of that technilogical side.

I hope you all enjoyed the story of your device(s) and the rest!

I should have posted this as a night-time story for you. Maybe recorded it so you can play it as you go to sleep. Laughing I'm sure it would have bored my soon-to-be 5 year old to death and put her right to sleep. I'll try it out and see what happens.

Morning from the East Coast!

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This is an UPDATE from my original posts in this thread dated 1/25/07 and 1/26/07. I had returned my BQ at the end of the trial period, not having seen results, plus, I had eye pain.

First of all, let me say, DUH! DUH, cedar was not the brightest crayon in the box this time. The day after I returned my BQ, my husband mentioned that when he used to swim competitively, his eyes would often hurt after wearing the goggles. He thought the source of my eye pain was the goggles that were provided with the BQ. Being a good little girl, I wore them religiously. Laughing

Well, I thought about what hubby said, and contacted James. He found the theory really interesting. It is important to note here that I had never contacted James before, which was also a mistake. At the time, though, I reasoned, "No need to call because I can tell if it's doing anything for me, and[b] I know my eyes are hurting. That's all I need to know." Well, it does make sense.

James was entirely and genuinely accommodating and helpful from the first moment we spoke. You know, I had read the ENTIRE thread, and I knew all about Wonderful James and "just call him, he is so wonderful, etc." Honestly, I have been astounded by his warmth, genuine belief in his product, and exemplary customer service. I NEVER say this, but he feels as much like a genuine friend as a true professional. What an art! It is truly a rare occasion when a person is able to combine both qualities, and instill confidence and trust in the lucky receiver of his attention, knowledge, expertise, and warmth.

So, I trial-ed the BQ a second time, under James' close guidance. As I stated, he was more helpful, making various suggestions to my routine, asking detailed questions, than I ever would've hoped. All the time, I was honest, and this was clearly another trial period. I should mention that my second BQ arrived sans goggles. Embarassed

Bottom line: I am seeing results now and I love the BQ. And I'm keeping the Baby. Very Happy

Now, I would have to say the results are somewhat cumulative, plus, we did have to find the routine that is right and best for me. To start, perhaps our biggest challenge was the fact that I really don't have any skin issues! My complexion is nice. But, I wanted to see if we could notch up the natural inner glow. (which is not to be mistaken for shine)
Sounds like a huge order, when I stop to think about it.

Let me tell you about the nice improvements to my skin, first. It isn't an in-your-face kind of change (no pun intended). I mean, I can't say, "oh, I can't believe how much this one line that always bothered me has diminshed." Or, "my 11's are gone!" But here is something telling: Most days, I have stopped wearing foundation. And, I've reduced my products by about 66%. I just look fine going much more natural. Now, I'm 51, and I'm not gonna tell you that people are telling me I look 39. Or even 44, I suppose. Because, let's face it, we ARE a package deal. However, my skin looks bright and clear. I feel confident going out with little makeup, and that has to even improve the inner glow that much more.

I use the BQ every third night, on the red setting and then the green. I wash my face with a mild cleanser appropriate for my skin type (normal/dry/mature)(I use NaturDerm Lavender Foaming Calming Cleanser followed by Epidermx2). I make sure my face is rinsed of any residual product, and recently started applying an HA CP blend serum before the light therapy. That's my routine; the treatment takes 36 minutes. Which leads me to my favorite part of all:

My BQ time is a therapeutic ritual! I have a large master suite. I dim the lights. I turn on the relaxation music. I bring in my fitness ball and place in front of my large vanity mirror. I sit there and with the lights dimmed, I can watch where I'm placing the red light on my face. It is truly and completely a meditative experience for me. It's the pause that refreshes! This is a huge added benefit I never anticipated. I guess I kind of thought it would be a task that must be completed, and I'd just be patient and make my way through it. BUT it is so much more. It's 2 therapies in One! Ommm. Smile

I can not stress how important it is to stay in touch with James, at least until you have found the best treatment routine with his help.

I will also add that he has taken a personal interest in my eyebrows since they are so sparse since chemo. I use the BQ on red and green settings, only one cycle, each day, to my brows. That is 6 minutes total. Some days, I do forget this routine. But, I am seeing better brows, even in addition to using CareKate's Lush Lash Growth Serum a few times a week. I am thrilled! Yay brows!

Well, this is, #1, a heartfelt sincere thank you to James for sticking with me. I am not a "yes gal." I even told James from the start, "I don't play The Emperor's New Clothes." I expect a lot, and rarely does anyone exceed my desires or expectations. James did. James does. Cool

Happy ending. NO goggles for cedar!
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canadagal wrote:

You use it on red and green settings? I thought you were suppose to use it on orange first where the LED light flashes, then on red where the LED is a solid light? Have I been using my BQ wrong?


You use it as you describe only for the first week or so. Later, you move onto more serious stuff (red + green light).

I used the orange (2 min per section) and red (2 min per section) only for the first week. After that James suggested I move onto the stronger stuff - red (4 min's/section) and green (4 min's/section).
If I were you - I would talk to James. (Although I think he's been away over the last week or so, as he hasn't responded to any of my e-mails in over a week.)
Talk to James CG. He'll know best what regimen would be best for your needs.
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manon wrote:
I'm seriously considering buying the baby quasar and have written several emails to James and Alex from Advanthera but they never wrote me back Sad

I'm now considering buying from ebay. Is this an ok place to buy a product like this from?

I also live in Australia and therefore require a Australian adapter.

Can anyone help?

Thank you.


I also live in Australia and I bought mine from Ebay - it is the same company that sells them (Advanced Theraputics). After you purchase, in the comments section, just ask for an Australian adaptor. I received my BQ very promptly.
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If you buy it from e-bay, you will still be buying it from Alex (I believe)-- it is still Advan thera.
I also e-mailed them twice and did not receive a response.
But when I telephoned-- they spoke to me at length....and were very helpful and gracious.
I suggest you call them!
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Hi Manon! I really like my Baby Q a lot. I do have fillers and because of AnnieR's posts, I always avoided that area and have had no problems. I figured why chance it. When the filler goes away I'll use it on that area and see if there's a difference. I would recommend avoiding the area though, because it's an expensive mistake to make. Have fun!
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Johnnavic-You should start a review of the Tanda in a separate post as this is for the Baby Q. Thanks.

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I have had the Baby Q for a approximately 9 months. I purchased it for post operative pain in my ankle. I was very impressed by the results.

My daughter has been using the Baby on her face more then I. Yesterday I decided to start using my BQ again. I got in touch with AT. Alex told me that you do not get the full advantages of the BQ or Quasar unless you go through all three modes: Orange, Red and Green. Just thought I would pass this on.

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