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Popping in to say the TCA Latte is great -- AVOID YOUR NOSTRILS. It irritates the mucus membranes and I broke out TERRIBLY there, just from carelessness.

I do the TCA Peel every Sunday night, and have had no flaking or peeling, but have cleared some clogged pores that have been there for MONTHS. TCA and beg oils + EOs have made my acne-prone orange peel skin into clear, even- toned skin. (Okay, avoiding cheese, chocolate, and ocffee does wonders, too.) I have a couple of tiny sun damage spots that I am still working on. And I use the TCA on an age spot on my wrist that is very stubborn, but I am stubborner.


perfectcomplexion has been wunderbar ally to me.


I have dry skin. Do you think it will irritate it too much?
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:47 am      Reply with quote
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Popping in to say the TCA Latte is great -- AVOID YOUR NOSTRILS. It irritates the mucus membranes and I broke out TERRIBLY there, just from carelessness.

I do the TCA Peel every Sunday night, and have had no flaking or peeling, but have cleared some clogged pores that have been there for MONTHS. TCA and beg oils + EOs have made my acne-prone orange peel skin into clear, even- toned skin. (Okay, avoiding cheese, chocolate, and ocffee does wonders, too.) I have a couple of tiny sun damage spots that I am still working on. And I use the TCA on an age spot on my wrist that is very stubborn, but I am stubborner.


perfectcomplexion has been wunderbar ally to me.

Sidda, when you say avoid your nostrils, do you mean the rim around them, the outside area, or the area underneath them? I'm a bit confused and would love clarification because I want to try the TCA Latte but also want to heed your warning.

When you say "TCA and beg oils + EOs have made my acne-prone orange peel skin into clear, even- toned skin," what do you mean by "beg oils"? Also, what EOs do you use and how do you mix all this stuff up (which oils mixed with what amounts of other things?)

Sorry for all the questions, but the more details you can provide the better. I'm very interested in your experience and routine because being an oil well myself, I have a couple areas on my face that have that orange peel texture that just does not match the texture of the rest of my face and I want to get rid of it! TIA! Very Happy
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:55 am      Reply with quote
I've used PerfectComplexion's TCA Latte several times, for about 3 days in a row, a thin layer up to 3 times a day (yes! not a typo!) and a few days after I stop, I peel, lightly and gently. I have touchy, unpredictable, very fair skin and it was really freaking me out to try this at first but after much encouragement from some forum friends, I did. The first time, I only applied a thin layer at night, until I felt more comfortable about it. The TCA Latte is light textured, smells great, isn't greasy, and the immediately after applying it I saw a glow, definitely not a flush or blush, but a glow-y skin reaction. That faded in about 5 minutes.

Of course I can't predict anyone else's reaction but IMO her products are very gentle and *nearly* goof proof if you follow her directions explicitly.

As far as avoiding nostrils, I don't specifically remember avoiding any one area other than eyelids and lips, but not going too close to your nostrils is probably a good idea.
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Yes, that's what I mean by "avoiding nostrils." I used to put it on the skin between my nose and lips and a few days later I got whiteheads right inside my nostrils (ew). Re-examining my instructions, I saw Julie has "avoid nostrils," and I'm certain that's why. Just an extra-sensitivity there.

"Beg oils" -- although it sounds like a proprietary formula, is a typo. :-> Veg oils. Jojoba oil is a godsend to my sebaceous skin. And there's the rub. We shouldn't call the oil in our skin "oil." It is not. It is sebum, which is thicker and waxier than oil, and also problematic, which oil is not. Oils dilute it and make our sebum flow. Oil is crucial to skin health. Those of us who have extra sebum are lucky. It makes our skin stronger, thicker, and more resilient. The problem occurs when the sebum gets too thick, stops flowing, and combines with dead skin and bacteria.

Oils "melt" sebum so it can flow. Jojoba oil is great, for me. Macadamia and kukui oils get great reviews. Emu does, too, although my skin doesn't really agree. It's all trial and error, I'm afraid. But these trials and errors are so much healthier than BP or, for those who remember, BRASIVOL (Good Lord, what were we thinking? Wanna wash your face with wet cement, anyone? :-\)

TCA peels remove the top skin cells -- I agree that those at perfectcomplexion seem pretty goof-proof. TCA Latte certainly is. I would hesitate to use anything that would make my entire face fall off, like photos I've seen.

I wash with OCM + PEG olivate to make it water soluble, and a pinch of salt (baking soda just doesn't do it for me, but that's ME). I tone with a hydrosol + salicytic acid + some alcohol (again, my thick sebum needs this final alcohol rinse). I used to stop there. Bad mistake. My poor skin, desperate to lubricate itself, went into overdrive, re-sebumized itself, and the thick stuff couldn't get through the tightened pores and... bumpity-bump-bump. I now add a serum with jojoba base -- also rosemary and tea tree eo to keep bacteria at bay. I add watermelon seed oil (lighter) and hazelnut oil (slightly astringent) in summer. (Yes! Oils can be astringents! YES!)

My skin is very happy now. My next project is to add chemical skin actives to combat aging. Hence the TCA. I've always been rather "ageless," (thanks, mom), but I'd like the second half of my life to be even healthier than the first. So skin nutrition and protection is key.

SO sorry for the novel, especially in a thread about something else (very bad form, I apologize). I'll stop now. Any more questions, PM me, or we can start a new thread, okay? Thanks.

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I have been reading about the led light systems for a while now. Does anyone out there have the break down on the number of nm and light numbers in light systems one should have? I have looked at Baby-q gentlewave, pretika, lightstim, dermawand, my newest find light 4 beauty, and photoactif. can any one help with there findings with light systems and what really to look for in a led system?
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:53 am      Reply with quote
I'd love to see a seperate thread with reviews from those members who've used products from perfectcomplexion.net.

She seems very reluctant to be more explicit about her exact formulas, and I understand that, but I've always been very interested in some of her products. Certainly the photos of the results are compelling!!!
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:05 pm      Reply with quote
katee wrote:
I'd love to see a seperate thread with reviews from those members who've used products from perfectcomplexion.net.

She seems very reluctant to be more explicit about her exact formulas, and I understand that, but I've always been very interested in some of her products. Certainly the photos of the results are compelling!!!

I agree, the photos are compelling. I'm going to order some of her TCA Latte because I'm interested in TCA and the Latte sounds like even I could use it without completely burning my face off! I want to start on something "light" to get a feel for it before I dive in to using TCA like Scally does.

Janet does have some REALLY interesting products that I am dying to try, so I'm willing to give some of them a shot and report back on a new thread about them. Give me a few weeks ...
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I'm wondering what James is planning on doing with all those BQ's that have been returned Confused

James, how about a refurb sale?? Very Happy
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:48 pm      Reply with quote
anya wrote:
I'm wondering what James is planning on doing with all those BQ's that have been returned Confused

James, how about a refurb sale?? Very Happy


I love you guys Rolling Eyes Wink Laughing

Still no plans yet on what we are going to do. I am proud to say that the care taken on these Baby Q's was OUTSTANDING!

About the white heads I read about earlier in the post... I believe it was here. Getting whiteheads or pimples when first using effective Light Therapy products like the Quasar line is a GOOD thing Shock but doesn't happen to everyone. Of course, it depends on skin type and situation. Simply... it's pulling the "gunk" out. You will see reports of those who have used it for acne and you will see this is common before the big results happen.

So I hope everyone is ready for the New Year and I'm sure our Quasar users are looking MIGHTY FINE Cool

I think you should post some New Years pics of all those fabulous new faces and skin achieved for the new year!

Start a new thread called "For you James". haha.. just kidding. Kinda Smile

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Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:49 am      Reply with quote
I remember reading somewhere in the forum that the BabyQ "may have" made someones injections disappear. Has that question been addressed and if so, what was the answer? I have a BabyQ and my fillers didn't last very long either. I just wonder if there is any connection.
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I think AnnieR might be the best one to ask....
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Yep-that was me. I will be honest about it because I don't want to see this happen to anyone else, even though I am a huge Baby Q fan altogether. It did make my injections disappear faster, no doubt. I asked about the injections to AdvanTher. before I even went in, to see if the Baby Q would diminish them, and was told it would only help enhance them. So I paid big bucks for my resty and botox in the glabellar region and 3 days later they were at least half gone in the resty and my botox never took. Now I have been doing these for over 3-5 years and I have great results that last way longer than the average person. I have always needed less to achieve great results because my skin holds the resty well, so that's not an issue. I was not a happy camper, so I called back to AdvanTher to tell them the results and was told they had not heard of that but would look into it ( won't name names). Can't tell you how much that little booboo cost me w/o still wanting to cry about it. Since then exchanged my Baby Q for the SP, little over a month later, and now all of my results are gone, even the residual resty that had kept me from having to maintain it in my nasolabial area. So I am really not happy about that right now. Love the improved SP for everywhere else, but haven't decided if the SP is for me or back to the Baby Q, or even ticked off enough to not want either. I go back and forth so I will keep you posted. But if you are going for these specific procedures, don't use the Quasar directly on the area would be my advice.

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Havana8-or should you say not ask? Bad Grin

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Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:29 pm      Reply with quote
AnnieR;
Did you ever talk to your dermathologist (or whoever is doing your botox and resty) about the link between BQ/SPQ and your procedures. I'd be interested to know what those specialists thought about the possible negative effect BQ/SPQ could have on botox/resty.
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oops! Laughing

but seriously, annie, that would be so upsetting and is a weeper for sure. i feel for you... Crying or Very sad
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Does anyone use the Derma Wand in conjunction with the Baby Q? I know back on page 23 someone mentioned that the comparing the two devices was like comparing apples and oranges, so do the treatment results conflict with one another, or are results amplified by the combo?

I recently purchased the Derma Wand, but am considering the Baby Q as well. I would probably use the Derma Wand daily and leave the Baby Q treatment for Sundays (no Derma Wand treatment that day).

Has anyone done this? Does anyone see a problem with this concept?

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Annie,

I'm afraid to use the Quasar on my face because of your experience. Even at cost, that stuff is expensive. I have lip lines and the grooves between my eyebrows. So I've used both the Botox & Resty. I stopped by my office today and got the cone because I still want to lift my left eyebrow a little so I'm going to concentrate the lights in just that area. I'll let you know.

I can't help but think that James and Alex should have given you a great big break on your SP. They told you it wouldn't effect effect your results but it did so they should take some of the financial responsibility for your loss. James is such a nice guy, I think you should ask him.

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I did not ask my doctor because I did not want to have him put a negative spin on the Baby Q as he would rather promote his own agenda, such as IPL, thermage, fraxel, etc. I did not ask AdvanTher. for any break as I didn't feel the advice given was in malice, just in lack of expertise in that area maybe or that no one else had had those results before. Now they do know, and I am sure they give advice accordingly as they are great guys and I wish them success. I think the products are great and I would recommend them to anyone. I have had great success in using them on my face and neck. The Quasar does what it is supposed to as far as relaxing. I just wish I hadn't been the guinea pig! Laughing

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I see your point, AnnieR, and I think you are being very nice about it. However, I think that they should take responsibility for their professional advice as experts and owners of the product. You asked a specific, detailed question about their product. Unless they had research and evidence to support a claim, they should have told you that they simply did not know, or that they did not have enough factual information to advise you. At the very least, they should have said that they "think" this is what will happen. Instead, they told you something with full assurance, and you naturally believed them--it is their product. They should not have made something up (especially in their marketing favor) without scientific information to support their claim. In this case, the consequences were that you lost significant money, but what if someone were permanently hurt by the owner of a product who gave bad advice? They should be accountable for their actions (nice people or not), and I think you should talk to them about it.

... I'm sorry for the rant. I just feel strongly about it.

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... I did not ask AdvanTher. for any break as I didn't feel the advice given was in malice, just in lack of expertise in that area maybe or that no one else had had those results before....

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LookingGood! wrote:
Does anyone use the Derma Wand in conjunction with the Baby Q? I know back on page 23 someone mentioned that the comparing the two devices was like comparing apples and oranges, so do the treatment results conflict with one another, or are results amplified by the combo?


My understanding is that those are two different devices doing different things. I don't have either (although I sooooo want both BQ and NuFace Rolling Eyes - which I understand is similar to Derma Wand), but there are ladies here who successfully use both gadgets. I think the two actually compliment each other quite nicely.

I'll be purchasing BQ soon Dancing and then I am starting saving for NuFace. I so want both of those toys Rolling Eyes.

BTW - how do you like your Derma Wand? Is it helping with lifting?

Good luck!
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Jeanine-I appreciate your comments and do see your point. That is exactly how my hubby saw it, especially since he paid for it! Laughing I am sure that they no longer make that advisement. I did call and talk to them about it as I was quite upset, and said basically the same thing you did. Since I SPECIFICALLY called and asked before the procedures if it would be compatible, not a board posting but the actual company, then they should take responsibility. And they did, not financially, just by acknowledgement. I couldn't go back to my doc and say , hey I just blew off 600.00 worth of procedures because I didn't mention or ask him about the Baby Q before I had them done. If he had said no problem, I would have been mad at him too. I had asked about IPL's and resty before and was told by him to do the resty after, so in hindsight I should have mentioned the Baby Q.
Patty-that's what I intend to do is use the Quasar and cone just in specific areas. And once I renew my resty (which I will do soon), I will not use around it for sure!

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Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:12 am      Reply with quote
I sympathize with you Annie, but I don't think that everyone who has used the BQ & Q on areas they've botoxed (or had restylane) have experienced what you have. And, therein lies the problem...
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AnnieR I am sorry that you had such an experience. Without a letter from your derm stating that your short lived resie resulted from the BQ I doubt you would have any recourse.

I love my BQ but if I had such a negative experience I would not have upgraded to the SP. My Baby would have also been returned.
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Katee- I think that is the problem. There hasn't been anyone who has tried it directly on the areas that had just been treated within days or hours in the case of my resty injections, or so is my understanding.
I do want to make it clear, I didn't ask for any recourse financially at all, NEVER my intention. I chalked it up to live and learn. I didn't even say anything to anyone other than AdvanTher. or even post about about it as it happened way back in October. I only spoke up recently as several people pm'd me and asked about SPECIFICALLY having the procedures done and the results along with the baby Q. I had never intended to even say a word as it could have just been my reaction ONLY. Having been asked, I could not lie about it or hide the fact it happened and Advan Ther. did not ask me to, ever. But it seems I opened a can of worms by mentioning it now, and that I did not intend. I only meant to say use caution in combining the two so to avoid my experience.

Winnie-problem is I love my Baby Q too. So much so, I upgraded to the SP in the hopes I wouldn't need the resty or botox any longer. I am still in the trial period to see if that happens and the jury's still out! Laughing But you can rest assured I'll be honest about the results.

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