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Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:00 am  Quote |
| I have been using IS clinical active for about three weeks, and am wondering if this is the cause of my thinning skin. Excuse me if this is a dump question, but how do I thicken it up. I don't want to give up the active, because I really like it ALOT. I like the way it, how would I say it?, *brightens* up my complexion?, and believe it or not, my pores don't look as big. I hope I continue to see more progress though as far as the hyperpigmentation on my cheek area. I just don't like the thinness on and around my nose area. I don't know how to explain it, but it just looks thin. |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:03 am Quote |
| I'm wondering the same thing. |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:20 am Quote |
IS clinical active contains AHA that thins the stratum corneum (outermost layer of the skin). It may explain the changes in your skin. I think you can start using copper peptides. They will help you to build thicker skin.
HTH.  |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:39 pm Quote |
AHAs are generally skin thickening (NOT thinning)unless overused. Of course overusing can occur at different amounts for different people.
This confusion was caused by an erroneous news release about 2 years ago. |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:05 pm Quote |
Sharky, can you give me the link that says it, please?
I'm totally confused because every article that I read on AHA said they are thinning the skin.  |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:14 pm Quote |
I believe AHA DO NOT thin the skin:
"Myth #1: Alpha hydroxy acids thin the skin. Actually, it is quite the opposite. AHA's at greater bioavailability appear to have dermal affects that influence the formation of collagen. Alpha hydroxy acids, on topical application to photoaged skin, have been shown to substantially increase skin thickness. Skin biopsies revealed increased synthesis of mucopolysaccharides and collagen as well."
HTH
Credit to http://skincarerx.com/aha.html |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:18 pm Quote |
| c4ward wrote: |
| I'm wondering the same thing. |
i've heard the same rumour about SKII |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:22 pm Quote |
| I think the idea was spread about AHA's thinning as you have to be careful to wear SS when using them. Maybe that fuelled some different fears. |
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:57 pm Quote |
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| AHAs are generally skin thickening (NOT thinning)unless overused |
There's a distinction here though with the percentages used. Lower percentages will, in fact, only thin the upper surface of the skin. Higher percentages will thin the upper surface *but also* promote collagen production and a thicker epidermis through controlled damage which stimulates your healing mechanism.
So, as the Active serum is only (was it 8%, certainly no more than 10% glycolic) it would just thin the upper, dead layer of skin. It's not strong enough to penetrate the skin more deeply.
You'll need to use something collagen promoting alongside this to build thicker skin such as a retinoid or CPs or you could just use a stronger acid. |
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:03 pm Quote |
I'm busy for the next few weeks but when I get back from some business trips I'll go back to medline and post some abstracts. Something I read recently said that low strength every day does stimulate skin thickening as much as deeper peels done less frequently.
My personal experienece is that glycolic peels and to a lesser extent Tazorac are the only things that actually removed lines. |
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Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:36 pm Quote |
Thanks so much for your suggestions.
Molly, What kind of stronger acid.
jumpingball,I have wanted to try copper peptides for awhile but I'm afraid to use them because I have heard bad stories about them. I'm too chicken. My skin is photoaged, so I thought the active would work well. |
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Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:30 pm Quote |
Razinkane
On second thoughts your thinning skin doesn't sound like it should be down to the Active.
Firstly, I remember, I have heard that regular use of lower percentages does stimulate some collagen production due to build up of the acid in the skin I think. But let's wait for Sharky because she's a bit of an acid buff. Though I'd actually recommend lactic for photodamage rather than glycolic. (a lactic acid peel at 10% from Dianayvonne is the mildest you can use to stimulate collagen production)
Secondly, lower percentages of glycolic also have a water binding effect so your skin should look plumper and more moisturised after using and I remember distinctly getting this effect when I used to use an 8% glycolic in my late thirties.
Maybe this 'thin' skin is down to muscle atrophy  Sorry! don't mean to panic you, but the facial muscles do sag as you get older and they're directly interwoven with the skin, although you're not that old so maybe not.
Finally, I think this 'CPs are dangerous' line has really gone too far. The 'uglies' get way too much air play. As far as I can see on this board a lot of people have dabbled with CPs and only Skincarefreak has suffered from this and she fixed it. It's a great active because it's the only one that can stimulate collagen production without impairing your skin barrier at all. All the others leave you slightly more open to UV damage; retinoids and acids. I'm going to do another post on this.
but that's all for now
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Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:00 pm Quote |
I would love to read your post on CP's Molly.
i am also chicken but am very interested. |
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:03 am Quote |
| Molly I am also interested in CPs. Could you please post? |
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:30 pm Quote |
Hi Emma and Ninetynine
Sorry, I did notice your request, but I don't have time to post much this week. |
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:02 pm Quote |
Thanks jumpingball.
Don't worry Molly. I will have a look at the link first. |
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:57 pm Quote |
Hi Molly - I'll look at the link  - thank you jumpingball for that. |
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Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:37 am Quote |
You are welcome!  |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:13 am Quote |
Thanks molly. I hope I don't have muscle atrophy, whatever the hek that is.
I emailed two sites about what I would start off with as far as copper peptides. I want to thicken my skin but also want to fix some sun damage, and the chart they had on the website says for thicker skin, four drops of cp with four drops emu, but for sun damage they require more, tca peels, stronger copper and such, so I am afraid to start off with that. Of course, not either one of them has gotten back to me and that was three days ago.
As far as the lactic acid peel, any downtime? I would love to try that for sundamage. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:24 am Quote |
Hi Razinkane
No, there's no downtime at all with 10% lactic unless you make a mistake and leave it on too long and then you'll just peel a little bit. You need to use it at least twice a week to get collagen I'd reckon.
Yes, I think they're right about the CPs. The lighter ones (such as Skinbio's CP serum) should thicken the skin by increasing the production of elastin and collagen, but it's not going to knock your socks off. I found it more plumping because it makes the skin better moisturised internally through the production of water-binding proteins. That was the major difference for me.
I find Supercop X2 works best on pigmentation, but you shouldn't use that until you've used the lighter ones for a long time.
The Mandelic is supposed to be good for pigmentation problems too. If that's what you mean by sun damage.
Muscle atrophy just means shrinking or slackening muscles, which we all get as we get older.
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:18 am Quote |
| Thanks molly. I just called skin biology and they recommended protect and restore cream, cp serum and emu oil, but she said I could use all of them is the morning, cp serum first, the protece and restore cream then the emu oil. Does that sound right to you? I'll look like a damn grease pit. I wouldn't incorporate the exfol yet would I? |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:27 am Quote |
I think that's really bad advice.
It totally contradicts what they say on their website and forum.
If you use CP serum and P&R 3 you'll be using twice the CP you should as a beginner. Besides P&R 3 is not recommended for skin under 30 or prone to acne.
You shouldn't even start off with putting emu on top because it will make it penetrate more and make it stronger.
Just start off with the CP serum OR the P&R3 (if you've got dry skin, not prone to acne) - add the emu later when you're used to it.
Start using slowly, build up - like with any active.
What are they talking about  Maybe it was a new employee.
p.s. you might not like P&R3 because it contains a tiny amount of retinol (retinyl palmitate to be exact) which is weaker than retinol and only makes you're skin produce a bit more oil, but if you're sensitive you might not like that. P&R2 is just CP |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:02 am Quote |
Thanks molly. I thought about that when she said the emu oil goes on top, but I figured she was supposed to know. I asked her if I could put the emu oil on first then the cp, to dilute the strenth a little, but she didn't seem to know. I obviously can't mix four drops of emu and cp because I bet it would make me really red. When I do that using Is clinical active it does. so I am sure it would with cps. I haven't even ordered anything yet because I am still confused about what to buy.She was helpful in a way, but I need straight forward "you need to do this" kind of answers.I would like to order today, as it says it takes 10 days to deliver and you know how we get exited to start a new skincare regime .
The P&R cream sounded good until you said that. I definately do not need anymore oil on this face, and my face is sensitive. I did tell her I was 28, so I wonder why she suggested that. (she didn't even remember what it looked like )
I'll do what you said, get the emu, and cp. But eventually I would like to add exfol, or a peel or something to address the pigmentation issues on my cheek area. Thanks for all you help. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:12 pm Quote |
| razinkane wrote: |
| I have been using IS clinical active for about three weeks, and am wondering if this is the cause of my thinning skin. Excuse me if this is a dump question, but how do I thicken it up. I don't want to give up the active, because I really like it ALOT. I like the way it, how would I say it?, *brightens* up my complexion?, and believe it or not, my pores don't look as big. I hope I continue to see more progress though as far as the hyperpigmentation on my cheek area. I just don't like the thinness on and around my nose area. I don't know how to explain it, but it just looks thin. |
Hi!
I read in Allure fashion magazine about how safe is some skicare products because of the strength.
It did suggest that IS Clinical Active serum is very safe to use and no long term affects. |
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