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free skin care · Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:34 am

I am wondering, has anyone every heard of botox being used as a muscle "trainer"?

here is my thing. My under-brow area appears to be "sagging" and I have crows feet, BUT the main reason for this is because I am a perennial squinter.. it comes from all those years of being blind as a bat and also from squinting at the slightest sunlight.

I have noticed that this is now a "habit" along with a kind of frowning squint. My husband is always telling me not to frown as it gives me elevens (which are not there if I dont frown)

My underbrow and crows feet are really no problem when I am not squinting, so I have been trying to catch myself and keep myself "wide eyed" and squintless (no, I dont mean that terrified wide-eyed, it looks natural and normal, but feels forced as my face is not used to it.

When I was a teenager I used to walk slightly pigeon-toed and I was able to train myself out of that habit, so I am sure it can be done with the face too.

SO to cut this story short, I was however actually wondering if a couple of courses of botox - which I believe is supposed to stop the muscles moving might help me retrain my face.

Any thoughts or advice?

free skin care · Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:21 am

I have had it done the last three years just in the glabellar region (11's) for that very reason. Now I don't have to have it retouched except every 8-10 months and less units each time. It doesn't seem as natural now to squint so I guess it has retrained that muscle as I am so much more aware of when I am doing it. I also had a tad bit on my lower mouth muscles and it retrained me to stop biting the inside of my lip. Now I have a couple of units once a year there, very very minute. The muscles are not atrophyed or dead and I have had no side effects. There is no frozen expressions or plastic look and I can frown if I want to. One big bonus was the loss of migraines or headaches from squinting. Good luck.

free skin care · Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:33 am

I might see what santa brings me... I would like to try, even just once to see if I can stop myself from doing this. But if I keep at myself for a couple months I might be able to train myself (good little monkey that I am).

free skin care · Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:49 am

When I was a child my mom would chastise me severely every time I frowned, and I mean constantly. I can still hear her now - "Don't frown, you'll get wrinkles!"

I guess I have to thank my mom for being a kind of "maternal botox", as to this day (I'm now in my 40s) I find it almost impossible to move those muscles that create the horizontal wrinkles on the forehead and of course my forehead is completely wrinkle-free.

If my mom was still around she would give you a serious telling off for frowning/squinting! Laughing

free skin care · Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:33 am

I have been thinking of doing something similar, but with ATXtra (a topical treatment that is supposed to be strong enough to produce a Botox-like effect), for a forehead crease and the beginnings of crows' feet. I think it would help me be aware of the movements so I could *try* to stop making them! Anyway, good luck and please report back if you decide to go through with it Smile

free skin care · Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:15 pm

Hey Tiger,
I do believe one of the beneifits of botox is just that, if I recall what my dr told me, I have never had it, but does make sense that it would help u break a bad habit...good luck

Melissa

free skin care · Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:02 am

AnnieR,
I have been thinking about trying Botox for the 11s but have been hesitant as I have been told you have to keep going back, and I'm not such a fan of needles. Every 8-10mths sounds okay though.
How often did you have to get it done during the first 3 years you mentioned??
Thanks.
DebL.

free skin care · Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:28 am

For the first year I went back about every 6-7 months. Then into the second year, about 7-8 apart and now it's been almost 9 months. But I get very min. amount of units, just enough.

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:24 am

Tiger_tim - I don't remember if you have tried Frownies or Alphaderma but perhaps a combination of both would help and be less intrusive? Frownies should be good for use around the house to remind you that you should not frown. I mention Alphaderma because when I first tried it it was very obvious to me that it was harder for me to frown (it was as if my muscles just didn't want to listen...).

free skin care · Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:51 am

I have eyed off Frownies here many times,but the price in Japan is outrageous. Besides, my DH might laugh his head off at me, but yes, perhaps I should get some to use at home on the weekends.

Re ADCE, I had some of that plus the prep, but I could not stand the texture, so I only used half the bottle... I just threw out the last over the weekend actually. Maybe it was the fillers or something, but it always felt like it "sat" on my face and in the afternoons if I rubbed my finger over my forehead or temple I would get product balling up (just like a microderm Laughing

) ick.

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