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Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:04 pm  |
Sorry to disturb here.
Last week, I watched a local beauty show and I was shocked to know that we cant use products containing Vitamin C, Citrus Acid or Aloe Vera in the morning due to sun exposure.
The show didnt state clearly why we cant use them at a.m, so I do some searching in the web. I found that there are many products with any of the three ingredients, which are recommended to use at daytime. Tha's why I am quite confuse, either the show is giving the wrong information or I heard it wrong.
And, regarding the Aloe Vera, I know there are quite a lot of subclocks or lip balms with SPF protection also use Aloe Vera as one of its ingredients. So, I am really confused now.
Currently, I am using a moisturizer whitening day cream with SPF 30 which contains Vitamin C Ester skin whitener, grape seed and gingko biloba extract, jojoba oil and natural vitamin E, citric acid. I have some stocks of it. Feel so sad if I have to stop using it as I have to starve in order to get myself another new moisturizer. I also use FOTE Aloe Vera gel in the morning.
I read in the thread http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=11403&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 that some of you are using Vitamin C product or Vitamin C serum in the morning. I hope you could point me out if I have the wrong information here.
Please correct me if I am wrong.... so confused now |
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:45 pm |
Hi Handsbella
You're absolutely right  They are absolutely wrong 
Of course we use anti-oxidants in the daytime to protect against free radical damage and soothing bio oils are good too.
Citric acid wouldn't be too good to put on your face in the daytime if there was a lot of it, but I imagine there's very little in your product because it's way down on the ingredients list. |
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:12 pm |
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Hi Handsbella
You're absolutely right They are absolutely wrong
Of course we use anti-oxidants in the daytime to protect against free radical damage and soothing bio oils are good too.
Citric acid wouldn't be too good to put on your face in the daytime if there was a lot of it, but I imagine there's very little in your product because it's way down on the ingredients list. |
Hello, Molly, thanks for your reply.
Sorry, Molly, when you said "They are absolutely wrong", you refer "they" as the beauty show or the thread forumers? Sorry, I am confused, hope you dont mind.
Hmmm... how to know whether the amount of citric acid is in a resonable level to be used at daytime? The product only lists Vitamin C Ester skin whitener, grape seed and gingko biloba extract, jojoba oil and natural vitamin E in the front of box but I can see that citric acid is printed as the last ingredient at the full ingredient list. It also included the Orange Oil as one of its ingredients.
May I know the normal Vitamin C serum that you all use are from Vitamin C Ester?
Does it mean that Vitamin C and orange oil is a form of citric acid?
Is there anybody use Vitamin C serum in daytime? I guess serum means higher concentration of Vitamin C compared to the amount of Vitamin C in a moisturizer, right? Mind to share your experience and usage of Vitamin C? Please...
I am quite worried, I just can blame myself for not having enough knowledge about this.... |
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:30 pm |
Hi
I mean the show is wrong.
Citric acid is only used as a PH adjuster so like with preservatives there is only the tiniest speck of it in the whole bottle so a nano-speck will be on your face. You know how little there is because the ingredients list of any product goes from most to least.
I think most of us use L-Ascorbic rather than C-ester products. Again if the C-ester is lower down your list you may have very little in your product. Vit C is very beneficial to use during the day because it is a UV protective anti-oxidant, ie. it neutralises free radicals caused by UV radiation. Nearly all of us use it during the daytime.
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| Does it mean that Vitamin C and orange oil is a form of citric acid? |
No, they are seperate ingredients.
There's absolutely no need to worry about what that show said - it's rubbish. There's nothing I can see that is harmful to use during the daytime in your product.
Just search with the top right button or scroll down and you'll find there are many discussions about Vit C usage.
Here's something on another site about Vit C
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/vitc.html
HTH Molly |
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm |
| i've only heard of retinol can't be used during day time..and yes lots of day products contain those ingredients, maybe they were mixed up with vit A/retinol and vit c?? |
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:37 pm |
plus Aloe Vera has anti-inflammatory properties so that's a great thing to wear in the sun.
Yes, there's some confusion here. I find it hard to believe they meant any of this. |
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:54 am |
If I recall correctly, Vitamin C Ester is the softest (I mean the most weak in its strength) among the many forms of Vitamin C, am I right?
I read somewhere else that L-Ascorbic is stronger than Vitamin C Ester, so I guess if people can use L-Ascorbic as their Vit. C Serum during daytime, I cant see any reason why I cant use the Vit. C Ester during daytime.
How to know if my skin reacts negatively to the citric acid? I mean what are the symptoms?
Molly, sorry, my English is a few levels lower than you, do you mean either vit A/retinol or vit c can be used at daytime? |
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:14 am |
C-ester is used in a neutral base and L-Ascorbic in an acid base so C-ester is gentler on the skin.
It's extremely unlikely that you will react to the Citric acid. It is last on the ingredient list which means there is a minimal; very, very, very small amount of it - almost nothing.
Retin A/Retinol *shouldn't* be used during the day because it can make you sensitive to the sun. Vitamin C *should* be used during the day because it protects from damage caused by the sun.
My Chinese isn't too good either.
Molly |
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:16 am |
Hi, I read in the article and it tells the different from what we discuss here, so counfused.
http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=194&highlight=night
Dr Todorov stated that:
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direct sunlight or even daylight will accelerate vitamin C degradation.
night application of anything degradable by sunlight is better. |
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:25 am |
Yes, but you want it at maximum levels in your skin during the day for UV protection so OK, it's degrading, but it's protecting too. Degrading doesn't mean in a harmful way either. If you were just using it to stimulate collagen production then you might want to use it at night, but we mostly use it for protection.
You'll find there are differing opinions on use of lots of active ingredients, especially among the 'experts', but basically the function of C is the same; UV protection and collagen stimulation. Use it how you like. It's not harmful to wear during the day. |
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Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:52 am |
Handsbella, a lot of companies recommend to use vit C in am routine followed by s/s. You can take a look here:
http://www.skinceuticals.com/regimes.asp?regimeID=1
I think it really doesn't matter when you use your vitC because the effect of single application lasts for 24-48 hours, so if you are not comfortable with am use, you can use it in the evening and get the same benefits.  |
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Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:49 pm |
May I ask? After you put your C Serum, do you wash it off after a while? Because I know that Vitamin C will be oxidized easily once it is exposed to the air. And the already-oxidized Vitamin C tends to do more harm than good to our skin. Please forgive me if I am wrong...
Did your C Serum contains any Citric Acid?
May I know after I put on my toner, how long do I need to wait for before applying C Serum? |
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:35 am |
Sorry, some more questions...
May I ask? After you put your C Serum, do you wash it off after a while? Because I know that Vitamin C will be oxidized easily once it is exposed to the air. And the already-oxidized Vitamin C tends to do more harm than good to our skin. Please forgive me if I am wrong...
Did your C Serum contains any Citric Acid?
May I know after I put on my toner, how long do I need to wait for before applying C Serum? And how long do I need to wait before applying the sunscreen or anything after the C Serum? |
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:26 am |
I use ISC Proheal which contains both L'ascorbic acid and retinol. Once Vit C is absorbed it cannot be washed or rubbed off so the answer to your question would be no. I don't usually wait, but I'm sure it's better if you wait until your skin is dry and not still damp with toner. I don't think you have to wait with just Vit C, but I guess it's best if you don't start layering things on while your skin is still damp from it, at least wait a few minutes until it gets absorbed into your skin. After that it won't make a difference because it cannot be rubbed off.
HTH |
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