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Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:23 am |
This is a copy of the email I received from James of AdvanThera with the newest regimen-the other thread was so long & as many have stated, very jumbled-hope this helps!
"Treating Anti-aging (Baby Quasar)
Daily Treatments (recommended)
Hyaluronic Serum
Please use the Hyaluronic Acid once a day
Do not use perform light treatments any closer than recommended below, which is between every 4-5 days. If you treat every 6-8, that is o.k. too. If you are performing the below technique, you are allowing almost the same amount of power and light into the skin as the professional devices. The only difference is the length of time necessary to achieve this, because the Baby's head is smaller.
Light Treatments (between 4-5 days - 6-8 days are recommended)
First 2 or 3 Light Treatments
These treatments, you will apply the Hyaluronic Acid immediately before treating. Do not over saturate the face, but definitely achieve an even balance of moisture and coverage
There are three modes on the Baby Quasar.
1. Continuous Wave (Green LED) - The highest power setting (1st click)
2. Low Frequency (Orangish LED) - The lowers power setting (2nd click)
3. High Frequency (Red LED) - The middle power setting (3rd click)
* Remember, the wand, when told to move, should never be lifted from the skin
* Also, the recommendation below is based on feedback of best results. Do not "over treat" or just start treating the skin on high settings.
* Look at the instruction manual on how the face is broken into 6 sections
First Pass
Take the head of the wand and start in Section 1 of the face (left forehead)
We are going to begin on the second mode (pulsing mode)
Each section will break down to "mini" sections. Following the below technique, you will notice that going in a "wave" direction, you will have a total of approximately 4 "mini" sections
- The total Section 1 should be treated for 4 minutes
- Start between the brows or slightly to the left
- Starting from between the brow, keep the head on the area for about 20 seconds (without moving)
- Going in a straight line from the brow to the hair line, now move the bottom of the wand to where the middle of the wand was
- Stay there for 20 seconds
- Again, in a straight line, move to the top of the forehead and the hairline. The bottom of the head should be approximately where the top of the head was when beginning
- Stay there for 20 seconds
"Mini" section 1 is complete
- Now you are going to move to "mini" section 2.
- Moving the wand further to the left, you will be overlapping from the first "mini" section you just did
- The right side of the wand should be in the middle of where the wand just was at the top of your forehead
You are now going to repeat the same steps as above, moving down
Then, you will move to the left again, and repeat
You are going to repeat this practice on your entire face for each section and "mini" section.
*Remember:
- You stay in place for about 20 seconds before moving the wand, and there should always be overlapping
- You should never be lifting the wand from the skin
- You don't have to sit there and count, but keep a clock with 3 hands near you to kind of keep track
Second Pass
Now that the first pass over your face is complete, we are going to move on to the second pass for the treatment
You are going to be following the same technique as described above, but you are now going to use the third mode (high frequency)
It is up to you on the second pass if you want to treat each section for 2 minutes or 4 minutes.
- If you choose 4 minutes, you stay in place for 20 seconds
- If you choose 2 minutes, you stay in place for 10 seconds
Concentrating On Specific Areas
Now that you have completed both passes, it is time to concentrate on the problem areas you are treating.
We are now going to use the first mode, Continuous wave frequency.
- If you are treating lines on the forehead that may cover from one side to the next, treat each line for about 2 minutes. Treating each concentrated spot for about 10 seconds.
- If you are treating lines from the nostril to the conjoining part of the lips, treat each line for about a minute. Treating each concentrated spot for about 10 seconds.
- If you are treating age or sun spots, keep the concentration on the spots for about 20-30 seconds each.
- If you are treating the lower eye lid, treat each concentrated spot for about 10 seconds
Next 3 up to 6 Light Treatments
There are two changes here. One is begin using the Hyperpigmentation cream. Again, apply the Hyperpigmentation cream immediately before treating. Do not over saturate the face, but definitely achieve an even balance of moisture and coverage.
Second, you are now going to do the first pass on the face using the High Frequency (third mode) and the second pass on Continuous Wave (first mode)
- Sometimes you may want to reapply the Hyperpigmentation cream when concentrating on specific areas, ONLY to the areas that you are concentrating on. Do not apply much, as most of it should have been retained from the initial application. Too much could possibly hinder results." |
_________________ Born 1951. Upper blepharospasm Nov 2011, ultherapy lower face & neck Jan 2012 |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:25 am |
And more from Scalawaggirl:
"If you compare that to following the process as outlined by James (above) for a recommended outline, you can see that the time allotted would be more like 45 minutes. Considering this would be done every 3-4 days, if you balance out the average, the amount of time applying the light works out to about the same in both instances. However, for ladies with combo to dry skin, if you try to follow the "aggressive" schedule, you will probably experience dryness as has been noted by AnnieR and others. The following are key items of interest to note:
a) You are not going to "hurt" yourself using the unit more often
b) If you "overuse" the device - say 30 minutes to an hour each day, then you will basically be overworking your skin. It doesn't hurt you but it doesn't gain a single benefit. It is akin to working the same group of muscles out for a week straight; you will begin to experience less impact than if you had given the muscles a break and worked other ones instead. Remember, it's the amount of time you are applying the light that is important.
c) Device usage should be individualized; you are not necessarily going to get exactly the same results as someone else. This is due to a variety of factors: diet, skin care regime (products you are using), skin type, heritage, etc. and should be taken into consideration.
d) Do not pick up the head to move it around but instead slide it over your skin to the next place. Don't forget to make sure you are leaving it on each area long enough."[/i] |
_________________ Born 1951. Upper blepharospasm Nov 2011, ultherapy lower face & neck Jan 2012 |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:01 am |
This should be a sticky-so I can find it when I finally afford one. |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:34 am |
I have def. been overusing it as I use it every other to every 3rd day. What a relief to put more time in between.
Thanks so much for taking the time to post that for us. |
_________________ Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:52 pm |
Marina,
How do I make it a sticky?
Maria |
_________________ Born 1951. Upper blepharospasm Nov 2011, ultherapy lower face & neck Jan 2012 |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:19 pm |
I think only Mabsy can do that. Maybe pm her & ask if it's possible. I don't think it should be a problem since there are so many threads on it. |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:28 pm |
Thanks for the thread, Maria.
AnnieR, from trying to understand the various posts from James, Peter and Alex of AdvanThera, I'm not sure that you're overusing your BQ. I think the recommended frequency of treatments is more about how long you do the treatment and expose the skin to the light.
The every other day protocol in the manual takes 30 minutes. The every 4-6 days protocol James gave to Marie takes about an hour. I used the every other day protocol for about 20 treatments with very good results. I started James' every 4-6 days protocol last week. I've only done two treatments using that protocol, so it's too soon for me to say yet whether it provides different or better results. |
_________________ Fifty+ green-eyed brunette. Dry, VERY sensitive fair skin. |
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Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:26 pm |
I am now changing to every 5-8 days for sure. I would have been glad to have followed this protocol in the beginning. Wonder why they are changing it now or have I missed something? |
_________________ Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:18 am |
Hi ladies - I have added this thread to EDS Library so it's easy for all to find. I'd prefer not to make it a sticky at this stage as it doesn't have a wide application to majority of EDS members and we'd like to cut down on stickys and use Library instead to keep the forum less cluttered.
Cheers,
Mabsy |
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Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:58 am |
Thanks, Mabsy! I love the library feature and glad we're in there now!
Thanks for taking good care of us all!
Maria |
_________________ Born 1951. Upper blepharospasm Nov 2011, ultherapy lower face & neck Jan 2012 |
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:11 am |
Im really really sorry but im confused as usual.
Ive just received my Baby Q and have done two treatments as in the pamphlet that came with it..Im just trying to get my head around the treatment guidelines here but just can not get the gist of it Im just one of those people that really do need simple terms.
I got the baby Q for aging mostly and to firm and tone my skin overall. I have crows feet, very bad under eye crepiness and bags, quite deep frown lines, a bit of droop in the eyelid area and drooping starting in the nose to mouth area. Am I to follow the treatment for Anti aging? which light setting am I using? Im so sorry to have to ask someone to explain all this again |
_________________ Sally |
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:53 am |
I guess I've been using it more than I should too but oh well, my skin doesn't seem to look the worse for it. I'm wondering though, does it really make an awful lot of difference if I lift the head up just a wee bit and move it to the next section? How much of a difference would it make? This is killing me to know because I honestly don't like the idea of scraping the metal head against my skin, no matter how gently. |
_________________ Asian, normal, prone to dehydration, fine under-eye lines, pale, 31( seems like it was late 20s just yesterday). HG : Avene Ystheal gel, Candy's dmae/ha serum, Vivier's 20% Vit C serum |
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:29 am |
It's more like gliding it rather than scraping across your skin. You could try using the Aloe Vera or HA method if it seems to need more slide. |
_________________ Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:02 am |
Thanks for the tip Annie. Aloe vera gel generally leaves my skin feeling tight and uncomfortable and I just prefer using the BQ on clean skin but wonder if it works better on moisturised skin instead? I'd really hate the idea of doing something *not right* although I know I can't possibly do anything wrong even if I don't follow every instruction to the T but it's this not lifting the head at all that bothers me a little. Will I be doing it not right if the light escapes for just that fraction of a second? And if so I'd really like to know what is not right about it? Am I simply wasting the light energy? I'm so sorry for my many silly questions but I'm starting to wonder if I'm not seeing the full potential manifested because I'm letting some light go to waste even though I use it for almost an hour each session. Sigh. |
_________________ Asian, normal, prone to dehydration, fine under-eye lines, pale, 31( seems like it was late 20s just yesterday). HG : Avene Ystheal gel, Candy's dmae/ha serum, Vivier's 20% Vit C serum |
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:56 am |
fenn:
Try to use tons of aloe vera gel on your face and only apply to the section before you do BQ treatment. You put aloe vera gel on 1st section, do BQ, put aloe vera gel on 2nd section, do BQ,......... Or you can wrap BQ probe (head) with food wrap it'll glide better with aloe vera gel.
As for if we lift the probe a little and move from 1 position to another how much light energy will escape. I don't have an answer for you but, I doubt if ANYBODY here ever did a BQ Treatment w/o any light escaped. Just try your best but don't let this issue discourage you. |
_________________ 53, DermaQuest, NCN Products, PMD, Dermarolling |
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Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:24 am |
MACrisis, since the aloe will be a bit sticky, will it hinder the results of the BQ at all, since the head will have to be sitting directly on my skin which means the light bulbs will be touching my skin too. Just wondering if putting a layer of gel under the device will make the results less effective? Not to mention the icky mess that I'd have to diligently clean out from under and over each light bulb after each session. :P I'm already having a tough time cleaning out my ultrasound after a session with the gooey aloe gel as it is. And coz of YOU, I'm now tempted into trying out the lightstim too! ARGGHH!! I need to be saved!! |
_________________ Asian, normal, prone to dehydration, fine under-eye lines, pale, 31( seems like it was late 20s just yesterday). HG : Avene Ystheal gel, Candy's dmae/ha serum, Vivier's 20% Vit C serum |
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Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:44 pm |
I've read and reread every post about the Baby Q and the Quasar Sp. In trying to decide which to purchase, I have a question I can't figure out/find the answer to.
What is the total treatment time for the Quasar vs the Baby Q?? From what I've read about LED/LPL photo rejuventation treatments, it only takes 3-5 treatments before optimal benefits are acheived, and results last for a year or so (I understand that because the Baby Q is smaller, this would be extended).
So what are you guys doing after the 5 treatments?? Selling it?? Still using it?? Sending it back?? $1800.00 divided by 5 txs is $300.00 per tx. It doesn't cost that much to have it done in a salon. I'm really just trying to justify the cost.
Thanks! Chrissie |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:37 am |
Chrissie, I am just about to order BQ. (I've been reading all the posts here for months now and have been talking to James for months, and . . . I just take a bit longer to make a decision I guess ).
I think everyone is using their units (BQ or QSP) for a lot more than 3 - 5 sessions. People use them for months and will for sure continue to use them in the future. I don't think that 3-5 sessions would ever do the trick with a unit designed for home use.
I know I am buying BQ so I can use it for a long time (for how long and how often I want).
HTH, R. |
_________________ 44, oily T-zone, acne prone (PCOS) ~ Baby Q & Tanda (blue light) ~ Karin Herzog (Oxy Face, Vita-A-Kombi 2, Vitamin H, Eye cream) ~ PSF (Cramberry Eye Gel) ~ Pearl/Silk powder primer and mist ~ L2K ~ MMU |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:59 am |
I have been using the BQ since August. I don't think the results would last for a year, at least in my situation. It is better to do some routine maintenance (I still use about three times a week) to keep the results you have achieved. |
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