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Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:08 pm  |
Hi Sister sweets,
My book is for lifting and firming your face, not maintenance. I sent you a PM about it, hoping this is ok, Loulou  |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:48 pm |
Thanks LouLou. I wrote you back. It sure would be nice to not HAVE to do 40 exercises everday. Even alternating would be a relief.
Does your book work on firming the jawline also? It sure looks so by your pics.
Do you think that massage is helpful? I like the idea of toning and if the massage does this - maybe I won't need to do as much FE for lower face???!!! Or is this wishful thinking.
Thanks for coming aboard and giving us options. Appreciate it.
Sis |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:49 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
BTW, anyone here doing the facial exercises in this link below? It's free so I would like to know how reliable it is? 
www.dermaxime.com/facial-exercises.htm
I wanna work on my eyelids and nasal folds. So it makes sense that I work on my cheeks so that they look more lifted as well as my nasal folds? But I'm afraid the cheek exercises will increase the lines around my mouth in the long run cuz of the constant movements everyday, just like when u smile? |
so anybody?? ... no replies?  |
Stardustdy - they have kiss the ceiling neck exercise that quite a few of us do, myself including. It is #2 under neck exercises section
http://www.dermaxime.com/facia-exercises-neck-throat.htm#Exercise%202%20free%20facial%20exercises%20-%20neck%20throat |
Thanks for replying mpstat! So do u feel that the kiss the ceiling exercise help with the nasal folds?... If u have any that's it  |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:09 pm |
Stardustdy - kiss the ceiling will not help NL folds since it is a neck exercise, sorry for not being clear about it. For NL folds you need cheeks, especially upper cheeks exercises.
Also the exercises on dermaxime web site do not use resistance, and I believe that resistance exercises are the most effective ones. I have been doing FlexEffect which is a system of resistance exercises, and I have been very happy with FlexEffect. Also Loulou came up with her version of resistance exercises. |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:04 pm |
I apologize if my question has already been answered in this thread, but do the Flex Effect neck exercises help with the vertical crepey skin that appears on the throat?
It starts at that little dip right above the collar bone and goes about half way up. With my chin down, I've got this Shar-pei effect going on. When I raise my chin, this vertical crepey skin shows up. I first notice it in my rear-view mirror, while driving, and was so horrified I almost caused an accident! 
Does anyone know what I mean by this weird description? |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:07 pm |
| To those of you who are doing the facial exercises - are some of you still using the Vaculifter? If you are, I would be interested in hearing whether you think that it is possible to combine some exercises whilst using the Vaculifter. When I use it I contort my face all over the place so I'm thinking that maybe those of you that are experienced in facial exercise could come up with something that could be combined with the Vaculifter and kill two birds with one stone. Thoughts anyone? |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:42 pm |
| Keliu - FlexEffect recommends facial massage in conjunction with facial exercises. Vaculifter does not replace facial exercises, but might serve in lieu of the massage. In other words you need both exercises AND massage (vaculifter). |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:46 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
| Keliu - FlexEffect recommends facial massage in conjunction with facial exercises. Vaculifter does not replace facial exercises, but might serve in lieu of the massage. In other words you need both exercises AND massage (vaculifter). |
Exactly! So what I'm suggesting is contorting the face (exercising) whilst using the vaculifter. For example, kissing the ceiling whilst using the vaculifter on the neck. |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:56 pm |
| Well, with resistance exercises as FlexEffect or Loulou's exercises it would be impossible to exercise and vaculift at the same time just because for FlexEffect one uses BOTH hands during exercises to create resistance. Kiss the ceiling is a different matter, I can see that there is a possibility, but you would not save much time for this exercise only, in addition you will not be able to fully concentrate on neither exercising nor vaculifting. |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:48 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| To those of you who are doing the facial exercises - are some of you still using the Vaculifter? If you are, I would be interested in hearing whether you think that it is possible to combine some exercises whilst using the Vaculifter. When I use it I contort my face all over the place so I'm thinking that maybe those of you that are experienced in facial exercise could come up with something that could be combined with the Vaculifter and kill two birds with one stone. Thoughts anyone? |
If you have vacuflifter go go for it.... If you do not Use your fingers and massage. As I understand either will work the same. |
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Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:42 pm |
| mpstat, so the kiss the ceiling exercise that u tried, does it help tighten your chin & neck? I understand that resistence exercise helps better but for now, I just want to try out the free exercise first as my nasal folds are not too deep...just noticeable when it's dry. So do u think the cheek exercises from dermaxime would be any help? Thanks so much! |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:27 am |
Hi Pinky,
On the part of the throat where you're describing is the part of the throat where the platysma muscle isn't actually attached to the skin, so unfortunately you can't exactly tighten the skin there by exercise.
But, the same muscle that covers the throat (platysma) is attached to the lower part of the face, so you'd probably be able to pull it up a little. If you'd like to send me your email I'll send you the exercise I do for this. Also, as we get older we lose the habit of holding the jaw up and back so it drops forward making the area beneath looser, just as slumping the shoulders makes the breasts collapse  It's easy to rectify this just by doing a jaw exercise every now and then, but that only needs doing rarely to be effective.
The best thing you can do for your neck skin (as opposed to the jaw-line itself) in my experience is to be brave and tug at the skin there a little (vaculifter sounds good, or Flexeffect massage, or just pinch areas of skin between your thumb and forefinger and pull). I know this sounds terrifying but FE veterans or anyone who's read Elinor Glyn's 1926 'wrinkle book' will tell you that honestly it works! Also brushing the skin on your face and neck as I know a lot of people here do already absolutely rocks
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I apologize if my question has already been answered in this thread, but do the Flex Effect neck exercises help with the vertical crepey skin that appears on the throat?
It starts at that little dip right above the collar bone and goes about half way up. With my chin down, I've got this Shar-pei effect going on. When I raise my chin, this vertical crepey skin shows up. I first notice it in my rear-view mirror, while driving, and was so horrified I almost caused an accident!
Does anyone know what I mean by this weird description? |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:31 am |
Hi Keliu,
I agree with mpstat and sister sweets. Any way you can challenge your skin sounds good.  |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:39 am |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| mpstat, so the kiss the ceiling exercise that u tried, does it help tighten your chin & neck? I understand that resistence exercise helps better but for now, I just want to try out the free exercise first as my nasal folds are not too deep...just noticeable when it's dry. So do u think the cheek exercises from dermaxime would be any help? Thanks so much! |
Hi Stardustdy,
Sorry, but I get an error message when I click on the exercises link  , but I can reassure you that you won't make your n/l lines worse by exercise. As mpstat says, the cheek exercises ie those that get you to smile or move your mouth corners up towards the temples will draw the weight of the cheeks back up and out. You get the nose-mouth lines because the cheeks fall down and in as the muscles slacken
Also any exercise that asks you to make a snarling expression or show the upper teeth will target a muscle called the caninus that's underneath (deeper) than the cheek muscles. This is right under the line you get nose to mouth and building it pushes the crease up and out. HTH Ll |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:55 am |
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| Also any exercise that asks you to make a snarling expression or show the upper teeth will target a muscle called the caninus that's underneath (deeper) than the cheek muscles. This is right under the line you get nose to mouth and building it pushes the crease up and out. HTH Ll |
So you mean all that snarling at my husband is helping? |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:08 am |
Yes Keliu... snarl hard and look like you mean it! You can also try getting kids to pester you while you're reading EDS or watching final episode of long TV series
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| otherloulou wrote: |
| Also any exercise that asks you to make a snarling expression or show the upper teeth will target a muscle called the caninus that's underneath (deeper) than the cheek muscles. This is right under the line you get nose to mouth and building it pushes the crease up and out. HTH Ll |
So you mean all that snarling at my husband is helping? |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:47 am |
Keliu
Try it out and see how it works for you. I did try what you were describing and it didn't work for me personally.
I just didn't get maximum contractions as when just using my fingers. The vaculifter is brilliant for connective tissue, but it needs a lot of manipulating to really get to the individual muscles and work the fibres deeply enough.
So with people who Flex and have the device, I tell them to do their exercises and then do a basic hands on massage (where they use their hands to work the individual muscles etc) and then finish with the vaculifter (for the connective tissue).
It sounds a lot but it really isn't and like most things, when you get into a regular habit of doing so you can fly through it.
Sean[quote="Keliu"]To those of you who are doing the facial exercises - are some of you still using the Vaculifter? If you are, I would be interested in hearing whether you think that it is possible to combine some exercises whilst using the Vaculifter. When I use it I contort my face all over the place so I'm thinking that maybe those of you that are experienced in facial exercise could come up with something that could be combined with the Vaculifter and kill two birds with one stone. Thoughts anyone?[/quote] |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:45 am |
Stardustdy - I do not have problem skin on neck and doing just a couple of neck exercises.
1. I believe that kiss the ceiling is helpful to tighten the muscles. You need to do it very hard to feel very strong stretch.
2. In addition to kiss the ceiling you can do another semi-resistance exercise, where you use weight of your head to exercise muscles of your neck. Lay down on the floor, raise your head 1-2 inches from the floor and SLOWLY keep turning your head from left to right 180 degrees.
Try these two exercises and see how you respond to them in a couple of weeks.
There are many neck resistance exercises in the book. |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:02 am |
Keliu - I strongly believe that resistance exercises are the way to go.
Deb Crowley the inventor of FlexEffect originally was a body builder, and applied body building principals to facial building. Think about the difference in effectiveness between results achieved by body builders vs. non-targeted conventional exercises. With facial building you can get results more effectively, have more control, and get into maintenance mode once you satisfied with the progress. (you do not need to get all muscly)
Initially I got two facial exercises systems Facetcise by Carol Maggio and FlexEffect by Deborah Crowley. FlexEffect is hands down more effective.
Another point to consider.... Think about how much money we spend on lotions, devices, etc. Compared to them price for facial exercises books and DVD is next to nothing, and benefits are tremendous. Many flexers do not do fillers, avoid plastic surgeries, not to mention they have more youthful faces!!!! What can one ask for more?
All you need decent instructions, understanding, and dedication. |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:34 am |
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I currently own the Facial Flex (works the lower face) which I love, and FlexEffect (probably the most comprehensive, but too time-consuming for me since I took the Job From Hell). I just ordered the Flex Effect and LouLou's book called "Ageless if You dare" which requires FAR less time than FlexEffect.
I'll weigh in on all of them after they are all in my possession. |
OOOOHHH! Can't wait to hear about Lou Lou's book.
Thanks. |
Yeah, me too!
Louise, is that really you in the picture? You look thirty or forty years younger |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:02 am |
| I'm interested in purchasing LouLou's ebook - does it include facial massage info? Thanks |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:05 am |
| FYI, someone's already taken me up on the FlexAway offer. |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:47 am |
Thanks for the reply, mstat, I recently bought a facial exercise program that doesn't include much about facial massage. In reading posts on this site, it seems like massage is important, as well as exercise. So, I'm curious if LouLou's program gives any details on facial massage or is it just a facial exercise program 
I've really enjoyed reading this forum the past several years and finally decided to join. Thanks . . . |
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Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:36 am |
| younggma - it is FlexEffect program contains in depth info on facial massage: http://flexeffect.com/ |
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