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Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:13 pm  |
I do not do any particular facial exercise. I believe laughter is the best exercise  |
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Simple but No Simplier...Approaching late 20s, Normal/Combination Skin, Rarely Breakout now but have some old acne marks, sunspots, & broken caps |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:13 pm |
| Can anyone give more feedback on using the Facial Flex? Someone posted on Makeup Alley that it makes creases around the mouth worse?! |
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42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:38 pm |
| I bought Carol Maggios program and the facial flex.I did not have the time to do both but I do the facial flex twice a day for 2 minutes in my car.I have been doing it for a month and I think it helps,my muscles felt really sore after doing it and my jaw line has tightened up a little.I really like it cuz it doesnt take long. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:10 pm |
| lunarmm wrote: |
| Can anyone give more feedback on using the Facial Flex? Someone posted on Makeup Alley that it makes creases around the mouth worse?! |
No, no ^^, I agree with Lucyluc. I've been using it for months and can honestly say it's firmed up my jawline and neck. I was horrified a while back looking at a pic of myself and my neck, OMG it looked AWFUL. But with daily use of FF it no longer looks so horrific. It doesn't do anything for the upper face tho. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:15 pm |
| there were plenty of good reviews on folica.com thats why I bought it.It has really helped my neck and jawline stay tight. you can re ally feel the burn. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:43 pm |
Hmmmm... aren't facial expressions and movements like talking, chewing, laughing, crying and scowling enough?  |
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:34 am |
| I just came across this thread and was particularly interested in the link that Arielle posted. Has anyone ever come across a book called "Miss Craig's Face Saving Exercises"? It was published in 1970 and I was given a copy by my mother-in-law-to-be when I was 20. I am now 58 and still have the book. A lot of the exercises remind me of the ones on Arielle's site, though in the Craig book there are anatomical drawings illustrating the facial muscles that are being worked and great pictures showing the author (immacuately coiffed and hairsprayed in the style of the 60's)doing the exercises. My mother-in-law has done these exercises faithfully for over 35 years, she is now 78 and looks about 60. So I have living proof that they work. I have done the exercises sporadically over the years and find they do help. Only wish I had been more diligent. I have printed out the exercises on Arielle's site and retrieved the old book and intend to get serious about face exercises. Thanks for the reminder. |
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:10 am |
| anya wrote: |
| lunarmm wrote: |
| Can anyone give more feedback on using the Facial Flex? Someone posted on Makeup Alley that it makes creases around the mouth worse?! |
No, no ^^, I agree with Lucyluc. I've been using it for months and can honestly say it's firmed up my jawline and neck. I was horrified a while back looking at a pic of myself and my neck, OMG it looked AWFUL. But with daily use of FF it no longer looks so horrific. It doesn't do anything for the upper face tho. |
I have been using it for two years. I give FF most of the credit for keeping my jaw and neck fairly young looking for my age. I REALLY like what it has done. |
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:49 pm |
| I do eye excersies almost every day and I do them because I am really blind as a bat without my glasses and these are supposed to at least help the eyes from getting worse. I cannot say if they have worked in that regard but I do think they have helped with my eye area in general, it seems firmer and I look more awake. |
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:38 pm |
Kellyks,
Where did you get these eye exercises from? My eye area is the area of most concern to me. |
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42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:56 am |
| I bought FF because I had major plastic surgery and wanted to avoid having another surgery., I had just a slight hint of droop in 1 jowel and the FF tightened it up right away no more droop, it DOES work. |
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Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:52 am |
| Yesterday I ordered FF from QVC. I hope it will work for me. |
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Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:43 pm |
| I ordered the Facial Flex from Ebay yesterday. So, I will report as well |
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42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:30 pm |
| lunarmm, I got a book called program for better vision, alot of it is kind of silly and i doubt the real effectiveness as my vision has not improved much, if at all, but the benefit I did see was my actual eye area, I can describe some of them to you, the book is expensive, send me a message if you are interested and I would be happy to. |
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Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:54 am |
| lunarmm wrote: |
| Can anyone give more feedback on using the Facial Flex? Someone posted on Makeup Alley that it makes creases around the mouth worse?! |
I used it thinking it would help one small area of my neck. It ruined my skin. Within one month of using it I started to see something wasn't quite right. I stopped using it and in the following month developed dozens of tiny fine lines all around my mouth area and 2 large dent marks where the white "knobs" on the FF are located. If you put the device in my mouth and squished it - exactly where my face squished up and contracted was where I developed all those fine lines. All above my lip and below my lip on the sides of the bump in your chin. It also started the dreaded puppet indentations and my labial nasal fold lines all of sudden appeared. I have excellent skin with only a few very fine lines under one eye and small 11 lines.
I have spent over 18 months trying to repair the damage this device did to my skin. I use an 8 and 10X magnifying mirror and that's where I can see the damage. If I look in the mirror, the only places that you can really notice the significant damage is the two dent marks above my upper lip (as described above) and the difference in my labial nasal fold area.
I know there are many people who this device helps. I'm not looking in their mirror, I'm looking in mine and have no idea if they're looking in an 8X magnifying lighted mirror.
Logic and common sense tells you how you get a lot of your wrinkles. Crows feet, 11 lines, nasal fold lines, smokers lines all come from repetative movement of your face.
IMO not only did this damage my upper skin but I think it damaged the tissue underneath.
Do you want to take the chance that you're not the one it helps and you're the one it hurts? Most of my damage didn't appear until 1 month AFTER I stopped using it and then that's when all of the dozens of tiny fine lines appeared. In that time period or since I don't have any other lines on my face or eye area. |
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Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:32 pm |
Wow, fmvalentina  I just ordered a Facial Flex from Ebay. If I do use it, I'm gonna be very careful (not sure how but I guess I will be watching closely in the mirror). |
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Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:19 pm |
| lunarmm wrote: |
| Wow, fmvalentina I just ordered a Facial Flex from Ebay. If I do use it, I'm gonna be very careful (not sure how but I guess I will be watching closely in the mirror). |
Don't worry lunarmm. Sorry that happened to fmvalentina but I believe it is extremely rare. Several of my friends use the FF and not one has had a negative effect. I have been using the FF for two years faithfully 2 x's a day. I am 62 and have only a few lines on my face. My neck and jaw are quite firm for my age.
I do not believe you get lines and wrinkles from expressions. IMO you get them from loss of collagen/sun damage. Nasal Labial fold come from sagging of the cheeks. The FF has kept my cheeks up there. Fine lines mostly are from dehydrated skin. Of course genes play a big roll. I plan to Flex away and use my skin care regimen as surgery and fillers are not in my future.
A few months ago I posted a picture of my lower face on EDS. Not everyone has been able to view it.  This picture was taken in December.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18818&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=winnie+great&start=25 |
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Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:08 pm |
Wow, Winnie - your skin looks great at 62!  Thanks for the post. |
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42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:20 am |
It is not that rare. I have seen dozens of reports of this happening to other people when it comes up on assorted popular message boards on the internet. No one would know from looking at me in person, close up or from photos how this damaged my skin. I realize it has helped other people but I also know it's hurt a lot of people. I guess it's all a matter of do you want to take a chance.
Fine lines are not only from dehydrated skin. My skin is well hydrated but I have a few fine lines under one of my eyes. Not all lines are deep. I have great genes. I'm 50 yrs old and aside from the 3 fine lines under one eye, I have no crows feet or lines anywhere else on my face. Oh, I do have some minor 11 lines.
Smokers get lines around their lips from movement of their lips grabbing cigarettes. Most people get 11 lines and crows feet from movement. That's why botox works on those areas. I also believe big time that genetics and sun play a major role, but you can't deny facial movement does also.
I didn't post this to start any arguments and I do acknowledge it's helped people. But I don't have thin skin, I am not sun damaged at all (haven't been in the sun in 35 yrs) and this damaged my skin from using it for just a month. If someone wants to take the chance after knowing it CAN or MIGHT damage your skin more than you could ever realize at least you know. I didn't know, but wish I had. |
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Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:03 pm |
fmvalentina,
Just wanted to acknowledge that I do appreciate your post! |
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42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:11 am |
| Winnie wrote: |
A few months ago I posted a picture of my lower face on EDS. Not everyone has been able to view it. This picture was taken in December.
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Wow!!!! Winnie, your skin looks amazing!!! Way better than my 20-year younger skin  . I am 42 and I can only wish my skin was a beautiful as yours.
(I do have BQ now, and a lot of hope  )
Thanks for posting your photo!
R.  |
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:04 am |
I've also used facial exercises for over three years as have several friends. I am 51 and have also seen very good results. I do not believe the "reports" of bad results. I've looked on other boards and the "reporters" tend to be not long term members etc.
I think lines can come from expression but that these exercises work against the normal movements to build up muscle. Skin is not like a rubber band that loses elasticity and gets limp when stretched. It is living and applied stress actually can activate growth (from tissue studies). Just look what happens when someone with a broken leg is bed bound you lose all strength and the bone doesn't heal well unless stress is put on it.
My only problem with these exercises is that I don't remember to do them enough! |
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:28 am |
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I do not believe the "reports" of bad results. I've looked on other boards and the "reporters" tend to be not long term members etc.
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So, I'm lying? I have nothing better to do than make up stories about how a random product damaged my skin? Sorry I'm not here long enough for you to believe me, please tell me what is the amount of time someone has to be a posting member of this board to be credible in your eyes?
Is this a requirement of this board or is this one lone members ridiculous belief?
Funny that the 2 deep dent marks that appear on the upper lip and are common to the people who have had negative experiences with this product are EXACTLY where the 2 white knobs are located on the Facial Flex when it's placed in your mouth. Maybe not so funny is that for the people who have been damaged, when you put the device back in your mouth and squeeze it, all of the areas around your mouth where the skin is squeezed are the areas where we developed dozens of fine lines. Coincidence, I think not.
I have been reading this board for several years. I don't have any grudge against this product except a desire to warn people who might not realize this product can cause damage, some of which is irreversible. If someone wants to go ahead and take the risk after what I wrote, go right ahead. At least you knew the possibility of damage going in. Sad to say, myself and many others didn't have that opportunity.
*sharky's* analogy with a broken leg is ridiculous when compared to stretching the skin and tissue on your face. I have a thread from another board with the comments from many women who were damaged. I could paste them into this thread but I don't know if it breaks the rules, which I wouldn't want to do, and I'm a bit uncomfortable posting people's comments without their permission.
To say I'm shocked by these comments by *sharky* is an understatement, but there's always one or two like this on any internet message board 
I also want to say that *sharky* never said whether the exercises she does for her face are with this device or exercises like Carol Maggio advocates. For the record, I have never heard of one person having a bad experience doing facial exercises like the ones Carol recommends, but I have heard of dozens of bad reports of dents in the upper lip area and lines all around the mouth area from using the Facial Flex. |
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:35 am |
| lunarmm wrote: |
fmvalentina,
Just wanted to acknowledge that I do appreciate your post! |
thank you |
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:59 am |
| Winnie wrote: |
| anya wrote: |
| lunarmm wrote: |
| Can anyone give more feedback on using the Facial Flex? Someone posted on Makeup Alley that it makes creases around the mouth worse?! |
No, no ^^, I agree with Lucyluc. I've been using it for months and can honestly say it's firmed up my jawline and neck. I was horrified a while back looking at a pic of myself and my neck, OMG it looked AWFUL. But with daily use of FF it no longer looks so horrific. It doesn't do anything for the upper face tho. |
I have been using it for two years. I give FF most of the credit for keeping my jaw and neck fairly young looking for my age. I REALLY like what it has done. |
Winnie -- where do you order your extra bands (with increasing strengths)? i got a whole bunch when i originally bought it (another *huge* fan here), but i'm now out and the place i bought it from here in paris doesn't carry extras. is there somewhere i can buy online? |
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