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Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:55 am  |
specifically the C+E+Ferulic Acid? I am in the market for a new C serum and was going to go with Cellex-C but am thinking of trying this one since it is winter and my skin wont mind the E.
SO I need a good online shop (discount, but reliable and good stock).. shipping is not an issue as I will have a friend in US buy and forward with my SEphora goodies.
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SKIN: combination, reactive to climate changes and extremely fair. "Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself." --Roseanne |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:00 am |
Here's a link for a place with a 20% off coupon for skinceuticals. I have purchased from them and they are very reliable and quick.
http://skincarerx.com/skinceuticals.html |
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Over 60, dry and sensitive. Look younger than my age and want to keep it that way! |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:44 am |
if you are looking to sample, you can get great deals on sample packs on eBay.
(But you may want to try Candy's C+E+Ferulic instead!)
priscilla |
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35, combination skin, post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation at the slightest blemish + stubborn blackheads on nose. Ignoramus about skincare--hence the litany of skincare woes. Here to learn, and grateful for help. |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:47 pm |
oh i forgot to mention, skinstore has a 115% price guarantee..
http://www.skinstore.com/customerService/priceProtect.asp
"If you find any product we sell anywhere else for less (another website, retail store, spa or physician's office) we will refund you 115% of the difference between the lower price and our price.
For example: Our price for product A is $100.00 and you find it for $90.00. We will refund you $11.50, bringing your net price to $88.50."
happy shopping tiger! |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:21 pm |
Thanks for the links everyone. Unfortunately, the first one also allowed me to view the full ingredients and one is "laureth 4" (Sodium laureth-4 phosphate) and there is no way I am using a leave-on product with that in it, so Skinceuticals is out the door.
I think I will give Candy's a go... I am just so frustrated trying to find a good C serum that does not cost the earth or turn over too quickly. |
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SKIN: combination, reactive to climate changes and extremely fair. "Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself." --Roseanne |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:38 pm |
| Hi tiger_tim - I thought it was necessary to have an emulsifier such as laureth-4 in C sera that include Vit.E, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm interested in hearing what you know about it! |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:34 pm |
| some kind of emulsifier is probably needed, but I just dont like that it is Laureth 4. I only have one product that has that ingredient - Cellcosmet Activator Gel - but I let that pass because it is washed off (and I use my shaggy microfiber cloth to make sure no remnant remains). |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:07 pm |
| What does laureth-4 do to the skin??? |
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:01 pm |
Well, in this case, it would be an emulsifier, but it can also be used as a surfactant and for that fact I would not want to use it in something I would leave on my skin.
It is just me, one of my quirks. My skin is bombarded with enough chemicals and pollution without me willingly adding more. If a chemical is there because it is needed then fine, but I just dont see why it has to be this one to emulsify. I wonder what Candy does for emulsifying?
Anyway, moreover, it was the 4th product on the list, which is a bit high up for my liking - the Vit C percentatge is 15% and the Tocopherol is only 1% so that means the Laureth-4 is anywhere in between.
(The ingredients listed were: Water, L-Ascorbic Acid, SD Alcohol, Laureth-4, Zinc Sulfate, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol, Bioflavonoids - hey, where is the Ferulic Acid  )
BUT more importantly I just went and found the full ingredient list for Japan.. I was curious because I remembered that Obagi had to reformulate for Japan becasue their 20% serum has SLS (sodium laurel sulphate) in it and the law in Japan says SLS can only be used in products that are washed off completely.
So here is the Japanese list: Water, Ethoxy Glycol, L-ascorbic acid, glycerin, PG, Laureth-23, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol, Ferulic Acid, Panthenol, Triethanolamine, Hyaluronic Acid.
Now I dont know if the US list is missing some ingredients or what, but there is quite a difference. A different Laureth too. So I am guessing that Laureth-4 is also banned here for products to be left on the skin. Anyway, with PG I would not buy it anyway.. that was someting I was disappointed about when I got the Super Serum - the fact it has PG in it.
Phew. what a mouthful. |
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SKIN: combination, reactive to climate changes and extremely fair. "Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself." --Roseanne |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:55 am |
| m.april wrote: |
| Hi tiger_tim - I thought it was necessary to have an emulsifier such as laureth-4 in C sera that include Vit.E, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm interested in hearing what you know about it! |
m.april you are right about the laureth-4 being used as an emulsifier. ISC also uses laureth-4 in their Proheal and Vitamin C+E serums. I agree with tiger_tim that another ingredient could probably be chosen that would work as an emulsifier.
Laureth-4 is also considered to be highly comedogenic. I had really bad issues with clogged pores when using the Proheal and finally figured out that the laureth-4 was the culprit. Personally I would never use a product with this ingredient again. Here is a link to a discussion that we had on laureth-4 http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=15869&highlight=laureth4 |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:03 am |
| tiger_tim wrote: |
Anyway, moreover, it was the 4th product on the list, which is a bit high up for my liking - the Vit C percentatge is 15% and the Tocopherol is only 1% so that means the Laureth-4 is anywhere in between.
(The ingredients listed were: Water, L-Ascorbic Acid, SD Alcohol, Laureth-4, Zinc Sulfate, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol, Bioflavonoids - hey, where is the Ferulic Acid )
BUT more importantly I just went and found the full ingredient list for Japan.. I was curious because I remembered that Obagi had to reformulate for Japan becasue their 20% serum has SLS (sodium laurel sulphate) in it and the law in Japan says SLS can only be used in products that are washed off completely.
So here is the Japanese list: Water, Ethoxy Glycol, L-ascorbic acid, glycerin, PG, Laureth-23, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol, Ferulic Acid, Panthenol, Triethanolamine, Hyaluronic Acid.
Now I dont know if the US list is missing some ingredients or what, but there is quite a difference. A different Laureth too. So I am guessing that Laureth-4 is also banned here for products to be left on the skin. Anyway, with PG I would not buy it anyway.. that was someting I was disappointed about when I got the Super Serum - the fact it has PG in it.
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tiger_tim I don't know where you looked at the ingredient lists for the US Skinceuticles but take a look at the DermStore http://www.dermstore.com/profile_SkinCeuticals_100113.htm . Their ingredient lists are usually very accurate and I did not see laureth-4 listed for the C+E or the C serums. Looking at the ingredients there however I imagine that you would still not want to use the Skinceuticles! |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:28 am |
Thank you TheresaL! Since you're so aware of product ingredients, I'm wondering what opinion you have about this Vit.C product:
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=80593&catid=51887&trx=CRT-PLST&trxp1=17008&trxp2=80593
Only a couple of forum members have mentioned having tried this Philosophy Vit.C product. It intrigues me since the issue of stable l-ascorbic acid would seem to be resolved, and I like the fact that it can be easily added to SS or moisturizer. Plus, users say it lasts 8 months and it only costs $35. |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:52 am |
m.april there are several things about this product.
One, I think that the effectiveness of the vitamin C would depend on the product that it is added to. There are so many variables involved here such as the pH of the product that you add the powder to or if the product has enough water to dissolve the vitamin C properly.
Second, the copper PCA is something that I am unsure of. I know that copper peptides and vitamin c should not be combined. While I don't think that copper PCA is copper peptide I am not 100% certain if the rules for mixing cps and vitamin C also apply to copper and vitamin C.
Third, if you do decide that you want to try mixing a vitamin C powder with your moisturizer or sunscreen then just buy l-ascorbic acid. Nothing in the Philiosphy product is really worth paying $35 for 1/4 ounce when plain l-ascorbic acid can be found for about $5 an ounce! |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:59 pm |
Thanks, Theresa! I usually go to DermStore for ingredients lists, but yesterday I could not think of the name of it. 
So, they are the same as Japan, huh? well, reading the Japanese list put me off, so no Skinceuticals for me! |
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