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free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:30 am

The first thought that comes to mind is that the thickness of the gel adheres it to the skin, where as the water just keeps evaporating. So maybe the gel allows for better penetration of the current.

The most important thing though is seeing the proof of better lifting when you use the gel.

I use the gel on my legs and butt, and have also seen good results there. On the other hand, I couldn't stand the feel of the gel on my face, and opted for the HA + water, so now I'm thinking it's time to suck it up, and try the gel on my face again.

Now what we all need to do is put our thoughts together for a good gel alternative... I for one don't relish the thought of spending $25. for the Carol Cole gel. I'm gonna hunt down the ingredients, and see what I can come up with.

Off to the 'lab' with my giant $5. bottle of aloe... Wink

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:52 am

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Now what we all need to do is put our thoughts together for a good gel alternative... I for one don't relish the thought of spending $25. for the Carol Cole gel. I'm gonna hunt down the ingredients, and see what I can come up with.

Off to the 'lab' with my giant $5. bottle of aloe...

The gel would get expensive...especially if using the Nuface on our body. Shock

Let me know what you come up with Kassy.

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:36 pm

I read the posts about the Nuface and ordered. I found a source for information on the nuface and I will pass it on to all of you. She is a
esthetician and she said nuface can be used for 20 minutes for the ultimate lift. She also has used it on people that have had huge weight losses and it has tighten up skin all over the body. I had a question about the difference in this unit and the derma tone or Suzanne Somers facemaster and this was her response to me in an email

My question started by asking why the current is so light compared to the derma tone and this is the response.

More is not Better!

In the aesthetic industry “more is not better” is a term estheticians live by, especially when it comes to our facial muscles. For that reason microcurrent is used in luxurious spas to re-educate the facial muscles, the treatment is known as a “noninvasive facelift”. Microcurrent is a low level current that is said to mimic our own bodies current. Microcurrent is used to lift and tone the facial muscles, increase collagen, elastin, ATP and circulation. Thus the face takes on a more youthful appearance with lifted muscles, reduced lines and wrinkles, and an even skin tone.

In the mass market there are various at home devices that claim to deliver a variety of benefits to the face. Most “facial stimulators” on the market emit a current called TENS- which is a 1000 times greater than microcurrent. TENS units are powerful enough to contract the muscles although long term can atrophy the facial muscles and have been found to actually deplete our cells of protein (collagen and elastin) and ATP (function of the cells to detoxify and promote cellular turnover).

Toby

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:51 pm

Toby, thank you so much for sharing that great information.

By any chance, did she recommend a good gel or anything else for conductivity?

Glad to see you posting.. Very Happy

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:01 pm

I purchased some conductive gel from Ebay, it was AUD$8.90 for 250g. The ingredients are:
Carboxy Vinyl Polymer; Sodium Hydroxide; Glycerol; Methyl-P-Hydoxy Benzoate ester; water. It is especially for ultrasonic, TENS and electrical stimulation.

I was under the impression that there was something "special" about conductive gels that enabled them to conduct the current into the skin. So, Kassy, I will be interested to see what you come up with.

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:05 pm

Kassy, what about emailing the chemist atwww.thepersonalforumlator.com and asking him what exactly a conductive gel is.

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:20 pm

I will email and find out about the gel.
Toby

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:29 pm

Hi Kelui, thanks for the good info.. I've been checking out the ingredients in several gels, and the majority are looking like silicone. The other ingredient that seems to come up in several is sodium hydroxide.. If memory serves, I believe this is 'lye', and is used to make a formulation more alkaline. It's also a major irritant, if too much is used..

Okay, I'm getting carried away there. I'm going to experiment with a few things, but my main ingredient will be the cheapo 'aloe vera' sold in the drugstore. The ingredients look okay to me.

I'll email the chemist at TPF, but won't hold my breath for an answer. I wrote them a couple of weeks ago for an anhydrous base, and they never replied.. I'll try though!

Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:30 pm

Hello,

New to this forum. I found it by searching for reviews on Nuface and just ordered mine today.

If anyone is interested, it can be purchased for $320 with free shipping from inspiringskin.

Arysse Very Happy

free skin care · Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:47 pm

Came accross this info:

"Why use a Conductive Gel with Facial Massager?
A gel is needed to conduct the ultrasound waves deep into the skin. Research shows that the transmission pro portion of ultrasonic waves in the air is 0%, about 50% in general water, 60% in distilled water, near 70% in glue matter, and above 70% in special conductive gel."

Am still searching on what makes the gel conductive - I think it might be the silicones.

free skin care · Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:02 am

Oh Kelin,
Thanks for this information, how sad it would be to think you are spending money and time and not getting the results because of not using the correct conducting gel!!!!!!
Toby

free skin care · Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:43 pm

Toby thank you so much for posting the information on "more is not better." It got me
digging.

I am one of those thinkers, Brick wall

if a little
bit does this...I'm cranking up the current.

Out with the Dermal Tone knockoff and in with
the Nuface.

Thank you

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:35 am

I heard back from the esthetician on nuface device, she 100% backed up the information that gel is needed for the effective mirocurrent. She said if it breaks you out wipe it off very good before applying makeup.
Toby

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:08 pm

Still waiting to hear from TPF.. Sad

Toby, did she happen to suggest any particular gel or types? Did she ever mention using aloe vera gel?

Thanks!

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:01 pm

This is what the email stated about the gel.
Toby

You will get the best results with the
Derma-Gel. Make sure the Derma-Gel is completely removed from the face
after the NuFace treatment to avoid breakouts. If the breakouts continue
try using an alternate conductivity gel.

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:15 pm

Thanks Toby!

So now I need to ask you folk this... Are you willing to pay the $25.00 for the NuFace gel?

I'm not!! I'm experimenting with a couple of 'gel' alternatives using KY Jelly, Aloe Vera + HA.

I'd love to know if any of you have had luck with alternatives.

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:29 pm

I used to use the aloe vera gel for my face master and got very good conductivity. I will email her and ask about the aloe vera gel.
Toby

Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:45 pm

Ok with this gel situation. I just did a search on conductivity gels on Amazon and found a number of gels for conductivity (tens units/ electrotherapy,etc)that are cheaper than Nuface.. My brief search did not include any that had their ingredients listed- but FYI. one was for Aloe Vera for sensitive skin. But then I started thinking... hey, maybe my local CVS or at the most medical supply store would have them- and I could purchase/and or at least see the ingredients. So I'm going to check into all this..

Cowgal

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:01 pm

Here's what I've found so far in my quest;

There are lots of varieties of 'aloe vera gel', with as many varying lists of ingredients. I wound up buying one from Wal-Marts that says "Aloe Vera 100% Gel"... It's the only one I found today that didn't contain any alcohol. (I thought it better to avoid the alcohol because of the major dryness it causes).

I also picked up the CVS version of KY lubricating jelly.

I'm going to mix those two with some distilled water and try it out when I use the NuFace again.

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:55 pm

Well, I just asked my local pharmacist about conductive gels and he said that a gel must be a conductive gel to make the microcurrent work properly. You cannot substitute aloe vera gel or anything else. He said conductive gels differ in composition, some are made conductive by ionisation. The bottom line is, if you are using your Nuface or other microcurrent gadget without a conductive gel, you are waisting your time.

Unfortunately, I am still no clearer on what ingredients to use to make a conductive gel at home. However, there are certainly allot cheaper conductive gels around than the Nuface one. HTH.

Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:11 pm

Toby, what's the difference between NuFace and Face Master by Suzanne Sommers? Which is better? I bought Nuface for Christmas and I am thinking about getting Face Master also but I want to know how they compare.

free skin care · Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:32 am

Keliu wrote:

Well, I just asked my local pharmacist about conductive gels and he said that a gel must be a conductive gel to make the microcurrent work properly. You cannot substitute aloe vera gel or anything else. He said conductive gels differ in composition, some are made conductive by ionisation. The bottom line is, if you are using your Nuface or other microcurrent gadget without a conductive gel, you are waisting your time.

Unfortunately, I am still no clearer on what ingredients to use to make a conductive gel at home. However, there are certainly allot cheaper conductive gels around than the Nuface one. HTH.

No wonder I have seen an improvement since starting to use the conductive gel again. If you can remember, I was thrilled with my first few treatments. During those treatments I used the gel. After reading the thread I thought I would save money and use water. My results seemed to be at a standstill. After again applying the gel I get a better lift.

One more thing to buy. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:25 am

Hi Toby and DiPhx!

I have a question for both of you, and anyone else who might know:

Is there a risk with the NuFace of losing volume and/or depleting protein in the face with this device, or is it only the higher current with TENS units I should worry about? There was some question of this also, I believe, with the galvanic current devices.

I hear such good NuFace reviews here, but worry about long-term effects. Anyone know??

TIA
fawnie

free skin care · Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:40 am

I think I posted this some where already.I have the Suzanne Somers and derma tone. I ordered the Nuface and emailed them when I was concerned about the fact that the current is lower and doesn't cause muscle flexing. I thought more current was better.My question started by asking why the current is so light compared to the derma tone and this is the response.

More is not Better!

In the aesthetic industry “more is not better” is a term estheticians live by, especially when it comes to our facial muscles. For that reason microcurrent is used in luxurious spas to re-educate the facial muscles, the treatment is known as a “noninvasive facelift”. Microcurrent is a low level current that is said to mimic our own bodies current. Microcurrent is used to lift and tone the facial muscles, increase collagen, elastin, ATP and circulation. Thus the face takes on a more youthful appearance with lifted muscles, reduced lines and wrinkles, and an even skin tone.

In the mass market there are various at home devices that claim to deliver a variety of benefits to the face. Most “facial stimulators” on the market emit a current called TENS- which is a 1000 times greater than microcurrent. TENS units are powerful enough to contract the muscles although long term can atrophy the facial muscles and have been found to actually deplete our cells of protein (collagen and elastin) and ATP (function of the cells to detoxify and promote cellular turnover).

Hope this helps, I am only using Nuface!!!

Toby

free skin care · Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:00 am

Thanks Toby
So from what I am reading, this is not a problem with NuFace, even with continued use?

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