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Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:10 am  |
Tosca - Have you read Tetrakis' notepad on MUA? She thinks that people peel from Green Cream because of the ethanol. I peel if I use it too frequently. That's NOT the case with Avene Ystheal - no irritation ever.
I do get itchy with Diacnel but that has glycolic acid. |
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:29 pm |
| I was on GC3 for about 6 months but could never work up to everyday use. I just think it is too irritating for what its worth. I then bought generic renova from mexico starting with .025 and worked up to .05 within a month or 2. It is irritating but nowhere near as bad as GC. I have been on it for about 4 months and am progressing nicely. It is a lot less expensive too. Greg |
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:45 pm |
I'm sorry,Rjez! Somehow I missed your post. I haven't read the notepad, so I'll have to go and check it out. That's a really good point about the ethanol. I really like Green Cream and have never had that problem, but I'm not sure I want ethanol on my face. I really might have to try Avene Ystheal. Everyone seems to love it.
That's interesting too, Greg. Where do you get the Renova, and what kind of assurances do you get that it is fresh and that it is uncontaminated? |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:15 am |
| Tosca wrote: |
I'm sorry,Rjez! Somehow I missed your post. I haven't read the notepad, so I'll have to go and check it out. That's a really good point about the ethanol. I really like Green Cream and have never had that problem, but I'm not sure I want ethanol on my face. I really might have to try Avene Ystheal. Everyone seems to love it.
That's interesting too, Greg. Where do you get the Renova, and what kind of assurances do you get that it is fresh and that it is uncontaminated? |
I got it from medsmex. They are a USA company who ships from mexico cause you dont need a prescription then. It looks like its just products made for the mexican market. The generic renova is made by a company named galderma which i researched online to make sure that they are really a reputable drug company.The products are packaged just like they would be here except the writing on the products are in spanish. Go there and look around. I am sure there are others on the forum who have ordered from them that can give their opinion. Greg |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:42 am |
| Thanks, Greg. I'll check it out. I'm really impressed with what GC has done to my skin, so if this is like Renova, I'm really interested in trying it. |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:17 pm |
| Tosca wrote: |
| Thanks, Greg. I'll check it out. I'm really impressed with what GC has done to my skin, so if this is like Renova, I'm really interested in trying it. |
How long have you been using GC? Greg |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:25 pm |
| Only about 2 1/2 months. I started seeing a difference within two or three weeks of switching to level 9. I don't necessarily think it's typical to get results that fast. I think I just got lucky. |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:41 pm |
| Tosca wrote: |
| Only about 2 1/2 months. I started seeing a difference within two or three weeks of switching to level 9. I don't necessarily think it's typical to get results that fast. I think I just got lucky. |
That is really good if you could work up to level 9 that quick. Your skin must not be very sensitive. I am glad you are doing so well with it. Greg |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:04 pm |
| My skin is not usually extremely sensitive to chemicals. I'm having an incredible reaction to Skinceuticals, though. I almost gave up my test run. I posted a "help me" thread on the other part of the forum, and after talking to a couple of people, I decided I was allergic and needed to quit using it. I got a little better, though (things that looked like hives went down), so I'm forging on with it for a little longer. I still have very dry, raw, itchy skin in a very large area. Maybe it's just the particular formulation of Green Cream that works for my skin (or maybe I really am allergic to the Skinceuticals). |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:10 am |
Okay, I thought I should check in in case anyone was waiting to see how my half-face test with Green Cream vs. SC was going. Sadly, I had to abandon the test. I had a terrible reaction to the SC (think hives). I thought it was the stronger retinol at first, but since it's only .01% stronger such a severe reaction doesn't make sense because I never had any reaction whatsoever to the GC L9, - no peeling, stinging, irritation, redness. With this, my face was swollen and hurt so bad I actually had to put ice on it. I'm absolutely positive that I'm allergic to something in it. I'm going to use the rest of it on my hands (I hope). That's the second SC product I've tried, and I had a similar reaction to both of them. I just quit using the other before it got that bad. I doubt I'll try another one of their products.
I will say, though, that the SC felt really silky on my face when I initially put it on. It felt better to touch that side than the GC side. I used it for 22 days, and now that my face has healed, there's no noticable difference between the two sides. I guess .01% for such a short time is not enough to make a difference, especially with such a reaction. |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:27 am |
| My update on GC is that I am phasing it out of my routine. Even at Level 3 for several months, my skin became and stayed sensitive and irritated. I completely stopped GC6, in case that was aggravating the situation. I got tired of the stinging and sensitivity issues, so I am in process of switching to Avene Retrinal 0.025% every night, breaking in slowly with a few times per week use. So far, the Retrinal is giving me good results without the irritation of GC. |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:50 am |
Great review and thanks for everyone else's feedback and experience. I have been wanting to try this, but have heard horror stories about the peeling. Still on the fence about it, but it helps reading what everyone else has experienced.
Lori |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:27 am |
| mom2tommax , the peeling that I experienced wasn't like peeling from a sunburn, in case that's what you are thinking. It was more of a subtle flaking that would have been noticable if my skin wasn't moisturized. In the shower, I would get sort of little balls of skin every few days (sorry if that's gross); they didn't hurt and it was just part of the increased exfoliation process that GC enables. |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:11 pm |
Thank you for clarifying the differences between these retinol products. I'm currently using eluage, and my fine lines have never been more evident. I think my skin is still getting adjusted to the elements here in Paris, and it's very dry with central heating, etc., but I just feel like the eluage can't be that effective if it doesn't have a great concentration of retinalhyde--it is almost the last ingredient!
Anyways, I've purchased SC 1%, and will convey my results when I've had a couple of weeks to test it out.
I have used the 0.5 % on my neck, and experienced lots of itching, a bit of redness, etc., but, in turn, very soft skin and the lines around my neck seemed greatly diminished. The skin on the neck is much more thin and sensitive than that on the face, so I'm hopeful, wish me luck!
--avalange |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:16 pm |
| Tosca wrote: |
| Okay, I thought I should check in in case anyone was waiting to see how my half-face test with Green Cream vs. SC was going... |
Tosca I am glad that you posted this. I was very interested to see how this would turn out for you! |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:10 pm |
Oh, I'm glad I posted then, Theresa. I almost didn't since I wasn't able to do a good comparison.
Avalange, let us know how it goes for you. I hope you're able to use it because I think it would've been a nice product.  |
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:19 pm |
dancar4,
Your face got oily from it? For some reason when I apply GC 6, my face is drier and more matte, on those days I actually don't wear my moisturizer (emu+HA serum) for some reason when I go to bed. I just apply the GC and that's it. I probably use it 3 times a week and haven't see any irritation or redness. I may up myself to level 9 at this point. |
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Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:45 pm |
Anymore reviews on Green Cream?
I have just ordered mine and can't wait for it to arrive. |
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Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:41 pm |
| I use greencream - level6 and 9 and I love it. Not every night - but I use it maybe 2-3 nights a week after cp's sink in or before.... I love it. |
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Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:32 am |
| Rjez wrote: |
Green Cream is retinol.
Avene is retinaldehyde.
Retin A by prescription is retinoic acid.
Retinol converts to Retinaldehyde which converts to Retinoic acid. Therefore, Avene is stronger than Green Cream (and seems to be easier to tolerate).
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So why not just get retin-a and be done with it? I guess it's expensive if insurance doesn't cover it, but it's not like all these other products aren't expensive. If you can get your physician to give you a scrip when you go in for your annual physical, then you wouldn't even need to pay for a derm visit. Or is the retin-a cream to drying for some folks? |
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Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:10 pm |
| I used RX retin A and the Green Cream level 9 did better for me - quicker results - more of a glow. Guess it just worked better on my skin type. |
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Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:24 pm |
| For me, the Avene retinaldehyde products have been the most effective. It's a balancing act between getting the most bio-available retinoic acid without irritation and dryness. Unfortunately Retin A didn't work out for me--too much sensitivity and increased dry skin. (I really wish this would work out for me, since it's obviously the best source of retinoic acid for the skin, but I tried it twice with similar results.) Retinaldehyde has a much, much greater degree of retinoic acid bio-availability as compared with retinol, according to my dermatologist, and luckily I tolerate it just fine. What she said is that the base ingredients of over-the-counter retinoids determine which ones will work for any particular person. So trial and error to find the best product is apt to vary markedly from person to person. |
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Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:32 pm |
| I tried Avene and no effect, now I want to try green cream... |
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Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:09 pm |
Flitcraft - you like Avene - is this still available? When my greencream runs out I've been thinking of trying diacneal. I believe this: It is good to switch up/ around products because this is the one way to keep things effective - keep your face from becoming content and complacent to what you are using. I like the greencream - really do and will likely come back but I"ll switch for a while.
Hey - I ordered two Vincent Longo's! At your suggestion - can't wait to get them. 
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Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:29 pm |
Hi, Sister Sweets--Avene makes several different retinaldehyde based products. Retrinal (in three different strengths) is the easiest to find in the US, and Ystheal, Eluage, and Diacneal are European. I've used Ystheal and Eluage (and I think that Eluage is slightly stronger because of its combination of catalyst ingredients that boost the availability of the retinaldehyde. I actually prefer the creamier texture of the Ystheal, though.) Diacneal is marketed as an anti-acne version because of its added AHA to the retinaldehyde. I haven't bothered with it because I already layer an AHA over my retinoid. (I use the Cellularskin-rx Age Limit glycolic/lactic acid serum.)
I'd love to hear your comparison with green cream since it sounds like we have similar skin. I've not tried it.And do let me know what you think of the Vincent Longo. |
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