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free skin care · Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:49 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

You're doing this with your oil soluble C serum Keliu, correct? Just want to verify that so "skinner" doesn't use it with a water based L-Ascorbic Acid serum... (The L-AA would be oxidized by the ozone/oxygen from the DermaWand.)

Keeping in mind that the whole point of using the DW is to bring *oxygen* to the skin, and that oxygen is also the enemy of L-AA.

I apply C Serum, wait 30 mins then apply other serums. Then apply Oil Soluble C serum and use Dermawand.

free skin care · Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:53 pm

This is good to hear that you use the Derma Wand w/ a lipid based C serum as that's what I use! It will make a great base for slidding the wand around on - esp if it doesn't oxidize the C.

Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:02 am

I believe the oxidation potential of the C when used with the DW is pure speculation at this point. I mean a topical vitamin C serum will stay in the skin and give it's benefits for around 72 hours. So the oxidation theory, if true, would most likely effect a serum applied days ago.

free skin care · Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:28 am

skinner2 wrote:

I believe the oxidation potential of the C when used with the DW is pure speculation at this point. I mean a topical vitamin C serum will stay in the skin and give it's benefits for around 72 hours. So the oxidation theory, if true, would most likely effect a serum applied days ago.

You can do a little test yourself... Apply a water based L-AA serum, and then use your DW before it has fully penetrated. After a few days of this routine have a look in a magnifying mirror, and you will see lots of little blackheads.. They are the result of vitamin C which has oxidized on your skin.

I believe that blackheads will always be the result of using an oxidized C serum. And that goes for DIY or the most expensive product money can buy.

free skin care · Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:47 pm

Not sure about all of this. Theoretically, The Vitamin C will oxidise as soon as it is spread out thinly on the skin and exposed to the air. I've been adding a penetration enhancer to my Vitamin C recipe in the hope that it will maximise results - but I've no idea if it really does, I just live in hope. I figure that 30 mins is long enough to wait before using the Dermawand.

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:30 am

Can any one advise where I can get the dermawand in Australia?

all the websites I have gone to do not ship to Australia Crying or Very sad

TIA

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:50 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

skinner2 wrote:

I believe the oxidation potential of the C when used with the DW is pure speculation at this point. I mean a topical vitamin C serum will stay in the skin and give it's benefits for around 72 hours. So the oxidation theory, if true, would most likely effect a serum applied days ago.

You can do a little test yourself... Apply a water based L-AA serum, and then use your DW before it has fully penetrated. After a few days of this routine have a look in a magnifying mirror, and you will see lots of little blackheads.. They are the result of vitamin C which has oxidized on your skin.

I believe that blackheads will always be the result of using an oxidized C serum. And that goes for DIY or the most expensive product money can buy.

Hmmm- this is what I experienced when I used a Skin Ceuticals C-E Fuerlic a few years ago. Maybe it was oxidized? Thanks for bringing that point up Kassy. I had thought the L-AAs weren't for me after that experience. This lipid version does do some nice things for my skin - namely helping to heal some blemish scars. The combo of the C, CPs and Retin A with the dermawand has worked pretty good lately.

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:00 pm

Bermie wrote:

Can any one advise where I can get the dermawand in Australia?

all the websites I have gone to do not ship to Australia Crying or Very sad

I purchased mine on Ebay. They were advertising these on TV a while back - but I can't find an Australian site that's selling them at the moment.

free skin care · Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:07 am

Keliu wrote:

I love mine. Earlier this week I had an eye infection, I think it was a blocked tear-duct. Under the eye, in the corner, it was very red and sore - and painful. I zapped it, being careful not to zap my eyeball and the next morning it was much better. I've also been using it on my sun damaged chest area. I had some weeping sores there - they have all cleared up. (Gosh, with the warts and all, I sound like a real mess!!)

Actually, I've become a little obsessed with the whole high frequency principle since all my research into it. Consequently, I've bought a "professional" device. I purchased the one from Palacia Skin Care - it's 200,000 hertz and I paid $195.00. Haven't received it yet but will report back after I've used it. I just have the feeling that my skin responds well to high frequency treatments.

Hi Keliu,

How does the dermawand compare with your AALS?

free skin care · Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:23 pm

funkydory wrote:

How does the dermawand compare with your AALS?

These devices are totally different and work on different principles - so comparing them would be like comparing apples with oranges. I like both devices - I believe the AALS has evened out my skin tone, but the Dermawand is excellent for killing bacteria on troubled skin. Both devices are supposed to induce collagen production and help with wrinkles and lifting - my vote is still out on that though.

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:25 am

YAY YAY YAY! My Dermawand arrived today! I have some questions about it's usage, to get it to do what I want it to do:

1. To tackle a pimple (I've got one on my jawline), do I just hold the dermawand there, in one spot? Or does the dermawand have to keep moving?

2. I watched the DVD that came with it and really hope it lifts my brow like it's shown in the photo ... no question about technique, I guess, since it was pretty self-explanatory, but just wondering if anyone has any insider beauty secrets to really make the eyelift go "KER-POW!" Laughing

3. Not including in the DVD but mentioned in the booklet: does anyone do the dermawand on the lips to make them bigger? Just wanted to be sure there's no undesirable consequence from that.

4. Lastly: can you use the dermawand "too much"? I used it for 15 minutes and am wondering if that was too long ... hmm

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:21 am

murray28 wrote:

YAY YAY YAY! My Dermawand arrived today! I have some questions about it's usage, to get it to do what I want it to do:

1. To tackle a pimple (I've got one on my jawline), do I just hold the dermawand there, in one spot? Or does the dermawand have to keep moving?

Place the tip of DermaWand over pimple then raise it up from the skin slightly to create a spark. Do this several times.

2. I watched the DVD that came with it and really hope it lifts my brow like it's shown in the photo ... no question about technique, I guess, since it was pretty self-explanatory, but just wondering if anyone has any insider beauty secrets to really make the eyelift go "KER-POW!" Laughing

Sorry, I don't have any "KER-POW!" tips! Just place tip of device underneath eyebrow raise and hold.

3. Not including in the DVD but mentioned in the booklet: does anyone do the dermawand on the lips to make them bigger? Just wanted to be sure there's no undesirable consequence from that.

I think this would really dry the lips out.

4. Lastly: can you use the dermawand "too much"? I used it for 15 minutes and am wondering if that was too long ... hmm

Recommended treatment time is 5 mins. I think this is because it can dry out the skin. I would just see how your skin handles it. I use mine over oil sometimes but I'm still not sure whether this is the correct thing to do. Seems to work ok though.

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:10 pm

THANKS SO MUCH KELIU!!! That pimple is GONE! I'm thrilled!!!!!

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:14 pm

murray28 wrote:

THANKS SO MUCH KELIU!!! That pimple is GONE! I'm thrilled!!!!!

It's so nice to see such a happy camper, you almost make me wish I would break out in at least one just so I could zap it Smile

DM

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:00 pm

I've just started getting active on the forum here after many months of reading and rereading many different threads. I've had a Dermawand for probably 10 years and have only used it a few times. Back when I got it, when I was probably early 30's, I never noticed any improvements, I didn't really need any then either though! Plus I was always and still am to some degree wanting immediate results so after using it a few times, back it went into it's fancy black velvet snap case along with the VHS tape (yep, it's an old one) into a cabinet to be ignored for a decade or more. This thread has inspired me to bring it out and use it.
In my instructions it says not to use it after applying Retin A....is that still accurate? Does anyone know why that is? If it allows the Retin A to go deeper...great. If it is for another reason altogether like the skin is too sensitive immediately after applying Retin A and I may burn myself than I don't want to take any chances.

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:14 pm

MoxieMama wrote:

In my instructions it says not to use it after applying Retin A....is that still accurate? Does anyone know why that is? If it allows the Retin A to go deeper...great. If it is for another reason altogether like the skin is too sensitive immediately after applying Retin A and I may burn myself than I don't want to take any chances.

That is correct - you're not supposed to use high frequency treatments with AHAs or BHAs so that would also apply to Retin-A as well. I think the reason is that it would be just too drying on the skin. However, I use my HF device in the morning and apply my Retin-A at night and don't have any issues. I wouldn't recommend doing a treatment over the Retin-A though.

Murray28 - I'm glad you managed to fix up your pimple so quickly. I'm totally convinced that high frequency treatments kill bacteria and viruses.

free skin care · Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:32 am

Keliu wrote:

MoxieMama wrote:

In my instructions it says not to use it after applying Retin A....is that still accurate? Does anyone know why that is? If it allows the Retin A to go deeper...great. If it is for another reason altogether like the skin is too sensitive immediately after applying Retin A and I may burn myself than I don't want to take any chances.

That is correct - you're not supposed to use high frequency treatments with AHAs or BHAs so that would also apply to Retin-A as well. I think the reason is that it would be just too drying on the skin. However, I use my HF device in the morning and apply my Retin-A at night and don't have any issues. I wouldn't recommend doing a treatment over the Retin-A though.

I'm too afraid to use the DW after I put something on my skin (such as RA, or even toner!) because I am afraid that I might be potentially oxidizing the treatment on my skin & releasing free radicals. I don't know if this is actually what happens, so if someone knows any better, please enlighten me! (Although it does seem pretty established that LAA is definitely *not* something you'd want to put on the skin beforehand.)

I've just been putting RA & other topicals on *after* the DW treatment.

I've been using my DermaWand both AM & PM-- yes, it is drying, but I am resuming the Tanaka massage & don't want to take any chances with getting a breakout. I love it, it's perfectly more than adequate, but I can't wait for my HF machine to come in the mail!!

free skin care · Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:25 am

Keliu - if you're just using the Dermawand once a day, you must be finding that to be enfu. What gadgets do you use in the evening?Right now I'm liking using it 2X/day as it has really gotten rid of the oiliness and congestion my skin had. (I'm almost ready for a roll!!)

JLM - I'm sure applying the Retin A before the Dermawand would give you LOTs of irritation. I'm sure you don't want a red face for a day or 2 afterwards with peeling following that. Not worth it. Just apply R-A post HF.

Also, make sure any toner you use doesn't have any acids in it like salicylic acid, glycolic, lactic, etc. Those are the BHAs and AHAs we're talking about. There are some other types that don't irritate(hyluronic acid), But you wouldn't find that in a toner. If you're not sure, there are some websites you can check the ingredient lists for like Paula Begoun's.

free skin care · Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:32 am

Wanted to add - I figured out what gave me that red face after I used my Dermawand the first time. I had done some drybrushing before using my gadgets and swiped a Stridex pad on my face to help get rid of remaining flakes. BUT, I also rinsed my face off after doing this. I thought that would've gotten rid of any residue of BHA, but it must not have. Perhaps waiting an hour or so would've helped, but I used the wand right away. It can be the only thing that caused the redness that looked like sunburn that I can think of and I won't ever do that again!! Brick wall

(Glad it wasn't the Bactrim or AALS)

free skin care · Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:45 am

foxe wrote:

Keliu - if you're just using the Dermawand once a day, you must be finding that to be enfu. What gadgets do you use in the evening?Right now I'm liking using it 2X/day as it has really gotten rid of the oiliness and congestion my skin had. (I'm almost ready for a roll!!)

In the evening I use the Slendertone Face and AALS. I use the Ultrasound once a week and the STOP once a fortnight. I also use a 0.25mm Dermaroller several nights a week and a 0.5mm once a week. In the mornings I'm using the Safetox and the high frequency device - I get tired just thinking about it all!!

Foxe, I'm glad you sorted out your red face problem - sometimes it doesn't take much to tip us over the edge!

free skin care · Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:31 am

Thank you so much for the answers! I have used my DW twice yesterday, once before any products and then in the evening after doing a stevia mask and after applying products. I used my Origins products, Youthtopia, Brighter by Nature, and Starting Over. My skin looked awesome afterward! This morning it still looks great, which is rare for me to wake up with such a glow!
I know I'll keep using this now, plus I may be considered weird for this but I LOVE the smell of the ions! I love the smell of static too, just hate the static! LOL

free skin care · Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:39 am

Keliu wrote:

In the evening I use the Slendertone Face and AALS. I use the Ultrasound once a week and the STOP once a fortnight. I also use a 0.25mm Dermaroller several nights a week and a 0.5mm once a week. In the mornings I'm using the Safetox and the high frequency device - I get tired just thinking about it all!!

My brain's rolling trying to figure it all out. And I don't have as many gadgets as you!! I have an Ultrasound, and haven't figured out where that fits in this picture yet and the Safetox is next on my list of gadgets to buy. Just got my .25, .5 and 1.5 rollers and need to find time for those too. This is as bad a figuring out my kids schedules when they were little with all the activities they did. Phew!

free skin care · Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:42 am

I have been searching the internet for some time trying to find out whether it is appropriate to use a high frequency device with oils. I haven't found anything except this:

US Patent 6574504 - Method for cosmetic treatment of the skin and the scalp using electromagnetic waves and essential oils

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6574504/claims.html

So I'm now satisfied that it is ok to use a high frequency device with oils.

free skin care · Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:44 am

Thank you for finding that out Keliu. I love to use my Dermawand on top of my lipid Vit C. It really glides over that really well and much better than the moisturizer provided w/ the Dermawand.

free skin care · Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:49 pm

Another quick question: last night I did the following with my newly discovered possible miracle product, Hemp Seed Oil:

1. OCM with HSO and castor oil
2. Applied Skinbio's Super CP serum
3. Waited approx 30 minutes
4. Applied a few drops of HSO
5. Derma-wanded the 'you know what' outta my face.
6. Went to bed and woke up with the most awesome looking skin I've seen on myself in a long time.

Anyone see any problems with this routine? It sounds like oil has been given the go-ahead to use with the DW, so that's great. I'm mainly concerned about the CPs before using the DW but I think I waited a decent amount of time to allow the product to penetrate. All this talk of free radicals and oxidizing and whatnot makes me feel like I'm in high school chemistry all over again (which, lemme point out - I did not enjoy at the time). I don't want to do any further damage to my skin.

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