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Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:51 pm  |
I have a question regarding retin A. Someone posted this on another board - what do you say to this? Will using Retin A damage the skin? Is it impossible to use sunscreen in a way that will prevent this? Im using Eucerin SPF30 which has zinc oxide, titanium dioxide and chemical sunscreen. I also use Australian suncream (dont like it much, kinda greasy looking after applying) and Neutrogena dry touch. How often do I have to re-apply - I cant see myself doing this every two hours - its too much layering for one. Is this necessary if its waterproof?
I was looking at a magazine yesterday and there was an article on Skin care. The girl was in her late 30s. She had before and after pictures taken with a special camera and she went on this skin care program that also included retin A and sunscreen, I think she used SkinCeuticles sunscreen. When the after pictures were taken her skin showed alot of sundamage that wasn't there before, she asked her doctor about it, since he was the one that put her on this special skin care program and took all the pictures, anyway the doctor said the sundamage was from using Retin A and she did have sundamage on the upper layer of her skin but the colagen was building and thicking. So if colagen is thickening, will that help the sundamage and help keep wrinkles away some? I'm wondering if using Retin A or Green Cream will be bad in the long run. Will it cause more wrinkling even though we are using a good sunscreen. It's just kind of scary.[/i] |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:49 pm |
If you use Retin A at night (which is the only recommendation I've ever seen), and a good sunscreen during the day, provided you don't spend hours laying out in the sun, you aren't going to have a problem.
The quote you cite is a report from someone who read about someone else in a magazine  . I wouldn't take it too seriously. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:22 pm |
Thanks Vonstella! The powder sounds great in addition during the day - never heard of powder sunscreen before  |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:24 pm |
| If you don't use as high a PPD sunscreen as you can tolerate, yes |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:33 pm |
| What is a PPD sunscreen?? |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:31 pm |
| Monica34 wrote: |
| What is a PPD sunscreen?? |
If you do a search on EDS you will get a ton of results as it has been talked about extensively here, you can also do a google search. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:14 pm |
| my derm has always said that retinoids reduce the risk of skin cancer -- that's one of the reasons he keeps me on it. apparently it normalizes the skin and reduces damage. I know several other people not through my derm that are on it for sun damage reasons. So although it increases your sun sensitivity, as long as you are careful in the sun in ought to reduce your damage according to my doctor. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:21 pm |
| waffle wrote: |
| my derm has always said that retinoids reduce the risk of skin cancer -- that's one of the reasons he keeps me on it. apparently it normalizes the skin and reduces damage. I know several other people not through my derm that are on it for sun damage reasons. So although it increases your sun sensitivity, as long as you are careful in the sun in ought to reduce your damage according to my doctor. |
I agree with this, and you have to consider the people who don't realize how easy it is to get sun damage. I have told my mother over and over about how the products she uses increase her sensitivity to the sun and what that means, but sometimes, she will still not wear sunscreen the day after getting an aha peel. She rationalizes that it is only a few (around 15-20) minutes in the sun (the south florida sun...) She wears sunscreen normally, but I'm sure those few times in the sun after peels have done so much damage. A lot of people really can't grasp the concept of how much little sun it takes to do serious damage when your skin is compromised by exfoliating products. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:17 am |
| I used prescription Retin-A for five years and got amazing results but at the same time I GAVE UP SUNTANNING FOR GOOD. It's not a good idea to use Retin-A and indulge in sun-tanning as you risk more damage and your skin has much greater sensitivity. My doctor advised that I wear a sunblock every day even when it's cloudy. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:28 am |
| Monica34 wrote: |
| What is a PPD sunscreen?? |
Here's a simple description from the FAQ at the top of this forum
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=162146#162146
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What does PPD mean?
PPD means Persistant Pigment Darkening and it's a measure of the UVA protection. SPF is only a measure of the UVB protection.
Manufacturers' claims on the bottles are mostly rather vague about the UVA protection. PPD is our way of seeing through manufacturers claims. These days most claim 'broad spectrum' protection, but how broad is broad? The mineral screens, such as Shiseido or Sofina are usually only 8PPD, whereas the Euro screens such as Anthelios Fluide Extreme are as high as 28PPD (or more) - so you can see a massive difference for the same 'broad spectrum' advertising claims. (I wrote this on another site. I'm assuming it's my copyright)
For UVA protection there is also the Japanese PA rating, but the highest, PA+++ , only seems to equate to PPD8 so it’s out of date and not so useful. In the UK there is the Boots star rating system of up to 5 stars, but again it’s more vague than PPD. You can easily find the PPDs online if you do a search or check main brands on this page at MUA http://makeupalley.com/user/notepad/sunscreens |
popular high PPD screens here are the Avene Tinosorb range and Bioderma.
HTH Molly  |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:36 am |
| Retin-A is one of the proven products that can reverse signs of sun damage to skin. However, as with other retinoids, it is important to use a sunscreen. You'll thank yourself for using it in the years to come. |
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:02 am |
| My pigmentation problems started when I first used retin-a about 20 years ago-the gel for acne. The ONLY reason that happened was the derm didn't bother to tell me to wear sunblock & stop tanning. |
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