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What's holding my lashes UP? Ardell, Revitalash, or SAS KGF?
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:43 am      Reply with quote
This morning I woke up with a curl in my upper lashes, and I was wondering what's holding them up.

I started using Revitalash in the PM on 1/4/07. I'm pretty sure it's not the RL.

I started using Ardell both AM and PM about a week or so ago.

I started using the SAS KGF for brows (ah...yeah, they did say not to use on lashes, but I didn't listen) less than a week now.

Do you think it's Ardell or the SAS KGF for brows?

Anyone else who uses Ardell experienced the natural curls in their lashes after using it for a while?

After I washed my face this morning, some lashes were still curled up while some were straight, but after I applied the SAS KGF followed by Ardell, they started to curl up again. Very strange!!! Maybe a combo of the two?
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:52 am      Reply with quote
I don't know the answer but what an excellent result for you.

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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:57 am      Reply with quote
Cherisse, I think it's the combo. The KGF didn't curl my lashes by itself and I just got the Ardell and it doesn't curl by itself either.

As to using the KGF on your lashes, I don't know why it says not to use it on lashes unless Hannah is playing it safe. Way back last Spring when the KGF Hair Care Serum was first developed, I bought it and have been using it since May. From the very beginning (before SAS created the brow applicator), I and some of the others have used the Hair Care Serum on our brows and lashes. It doesn't bother my eyes at all. But, some did report stinging. So, if doesn't sting use it.

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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:58 am      Reply with quote
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I don't know the answer but what an excellent result for you.


Yeah, I hope this is not a fluke! It will save me a lot of time messing with the curler to get the curl not too much or too little.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:10 am      Reply with quote
Hi Cherisse.
my lashes are curlier too. I'm using Ardells and Revitalash.

I dont know which one it is. I think Arielle is prolly right, it's a combo.

What is that other stuff you're using, the KFC thing.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:22 am      Reply with quote
catski wrote:
Hi Cherisse.
my lashes are curlier too. I'm using Ardells and Revitalash.

I dont know which one it is. I think Arielle is prolly right, it's a combo.

What is that other stuff you're using, the KFC thing.


rofl

KGF - Keratinocyte Growth Factor. It's the signal that tells your hair to grow. Skin Actives sells a Hair Care Serum with this plus the nutrients needed to "obey" the signal.

I saw on her product sheet that CareKate has it in her Rosemary Hair Growth Accelerator.

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Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:25 am      Reply with quote
Hi Catski,

I bought it from skinactives.com. http://www.skinactives.com/buy2.htm

It's the one called KGF Serum for Brows.

Although their web site says it's just for brows, I found they're selling the same thing on ebay and it says for lashes and brows.

http://cgi.ebay.com/For-thicker-eye-brows-eye-lashes-KGF-serum-applicator_W0QQitemZ180046568369QQihZ008QQcategoryZ47004QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

This is why I bought it. There's a warning label not to use it on lashes as it might sting, but since I already bought it for lashes, I went ahead and used it. I was very careful with applying it. It doesn't sting so far.

I think it might be the ardell, too, and that's why I'm asking to see if other ardell users experience the curls after using it a while. I hope that is it.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:32 am      Reply with quote
Can someone with lots of knowledge re: chemical or biology take a stab at evaluating what this KGF stuff is doing? Is what they claim true?

Copied this from their ebay listing:

Keratinocyte Growth Factor serum for eyebrows

$9.99 for 10 mL (1/3 fl. oz.) KGF serum

NOTE: Specially packed to use on eye brows are eye lashes area, a serum that addresses all the components of hair loss and includes keratinocyte growth facor, one of our specialty proteins (see also EGF and SOD) made by Skin Actives Scientific using biotechnology. Biotechnology is a short name for an array of sophisticated methods that allow us scientists to make large amounts of a single protein, almost pure and fully active protein, at a fraction of the cost of extracting it from the original source material.

Properties: promotes hair growth.

Use: our Keratinocyte Growth Factor (KGF) is very powerful. Remember that growth factors are signals, not nutrients, so you need very little for it to work! You will hardly see the KGF drop at the bottom of the small tube. It is kept very concentrated to preserve its activity. Store in the refrigerator until you are ready to use it.
Apply serum with KGF to eye lashes and eye brows area but don't get the serum inside the eyes (it will sting). Keep serum refrigerated for longer active life.

Further information:
The hair strengthening serum contains actives known to help promote hair growth, both in men and women. It has been designed to help with poor micro-circulation, follicle atrophy caused by dihydrotestosterone, and follicle aging. Full nutrition is provided to compensate for loss of nutrients to the scalp brought about by poor blood irrigation.

. KGF-1, aprotein of 19,000 molecular weight, is a member of the fibroblast growth factor family, and is also known as FGF-7 and heparin-binding growth factor-7 (HBGF-7). KGF-1 was found to stimulate hair growth. Cells that respond to KGF do so because they have receptors on the cell membrane that recognize the factor (which has been produced by cells that may be near or far from the target cell). The binding of the growth factor to the receptor initiates a cascade of molecular events that will eventually lead, among other effects, to cell division. We make our own keratinocyte growth factor using biotechnology. Please ask about special wholesale prices. Please note that our growth factors are sold for use in cosmetics only
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:50 am      Reply with quote
It might just be that your lashes are longer and have a tendency to curl up as they get longer I know mine have.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:52 am      Reply with quote
Arielle wrote:
catski wrote:
Hi Cherisse.
my lashes are curlier too. I'm using Ardells and Revitalash.

I dont know which one it is. I think Arielle is prolly right, it's a combo.

What is that other stuff you're using, the KFC thing.


rofl

KGF - Keratinocyte Growth Factor. It's the signal that tells your hair to grow. Skin Actives sells a Hair Care Serum with this plus the nutrients needed to "obey" the signal.

I saw on her product sheet that CareKate has it in her Rosemary Hair Growth Accelerator.

Ari


Arielle, somehow I'd thought you'd get it. Cool

Ok, so this is an alternative to revitalash, by the sound of it. Although you are using it in addition. I definitely dont need my eyebrows to grow more. But I am VERY pleased with the revitalash results and can see me getting hooked for life on feeding my eyelashes something nutritious, or in this case with this product, giving them a signal to grow, then feeding them with Ardells.

I had curly eyelashes when I was younger, it's only with age they got thinner and straighter, so I assumed that rejuvenating them turned back the clock.


Cherisse, you are really going for it, with your eyelashes. I'm wondering wether to copy you, and buy some too.
I used the 1000 hour lash tint today, which was a breeze to use and I'm really pleased with the results, because mascara on longer lashes, on an older face, just looked 'overdone' on me and a little bit harsh.

I may join you in this eyelash experiment, and forego the KFC in favour of glamour.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:32 pm      Reply with quote
I've used Ardell for about 6 months. I don't notice curl.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:33 pm      Reply with quote
Just went to the bathroom to check if the curls are holding up. Yup, they're still there. I didn't use the curler or mascara this morning at all....just the SAS KGF and Ardell. I'm not talking SUPER curl, but just enough curl to open up my eyes, and my lashes don't point in the normal South direction.

Catski, if you want to use RL all the time, or try SAS KGF (not KFC, mind you!) with Ardell and see if your results will hold up? Hey, at least the KGF is only $10, and Ardell is $4 (but since I have to buy it from Drugstore.com which charges $6 to ship...what a rip off!, that's another $10 for me, too). So that's still a huge saving from $160 for a tube of RL. Hmm...I wonder if I stumbled on to something here??? I hope so, cuz I was wondering how I would maintain my new expensive habits.

I "HOPE" as my new lashes grow longer they'll remember to curl up and not down or point straight down.

I still don't understand what signal the KGF uses to let my lashes which have no brain know that they're now supposed to grow longer.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:34 pm      Reply with quote
cedar wrote:
I've used Ardell for about 6 months. I don't notice curl.


What about length?
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:03 pm      Reply with quote
My eyelashes are naturally curled. But not to the extreme. Eversince on RL, I've noticed they're even more curled now.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:13 pm      Reply with quote
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Cherisse, I think it's the combo. The KGF didn't curl my lashes by itself and I just got the Ardell and it doesn't curl by itself either.

As to using the KGF on your lashes, I don't know why it says not to use it on lashes unless Hannah is playing it safe. Way back last Spring when the KGF Hair Care Serum was first developed, I bought it and have been using it since May. From the very beginning (before SAS created the brow applicator), I and some of the others have used the Hair Care Serum on our brows and lashes. It doesn't bother my eyes at all. But, some did report stinging. So, if doesn't sting use it.

Ari


Ari, thank you! I just saw your post. So funny how we must have been posting at the same time, and the previous posts got pushed up so fast I didn't see this one. I think you're right. I'm glad you told me that you used it on lashes w/o a problem.
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Arielle, what are your results with the KGF? I've been using JM for 3 1/2 months and I'm looking for an alternative when it runs out.
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Arielle, what are your results with the KGF? I've been using JM for 3 1/2 months and I'm looking for an alternative when it runs out.


Yes, Ari, I would like to know, too, what you think of the KGF for lashes? I thought of using it not actually to stimulate lash growth b/c I'm already using RL for that. I wanted to thicken my lashes as some are too thin. Would love to hear about your results w/ KGF.
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I had originally started using it for my thinning hair on top. But, I started using it on my brows since I had a very thin almost bald spot on one brow where I had a scar. The very first thing I ever noticed was that the brow totally filled in. Then, after massaging the serum into my hair, I'd just take my hands and run them all the way down my face and neck. (No, you will NOT grow hair where you are not "programmed" to grow hair but the nutrients are great for the skin, too.) And, I'd take a q-tip or just my fingertip and run a drop across my upper lashes then my lower lashes. I don't remember ever having lashes at the outside corners of my lower lashes. Now, I do. My lashes have always been long, but now they are a bit thicker, probably about 15% more lashes, each lash is thicker and healthier lookin and there's less fallout.

So, I love this stuff. I'm waiting to finish my latest bottle so I can try CareKate's Rosemary Hair Accelerator. It is considerably less expensive and, as I mentioned earlier, it also has the KGF "signal".

If you are interested go to the www.skinactives.com forum, do a search on Hair Care Serum and see what everyone has to say about it.

Hope this helps.

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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:26 pm      Reply with quote
Cherisse, I did not notice longer lashes from Ardell, but maybe conditioning. I used JM along with it for the first few months, and have used CareKate's lash growth serum the past 10 weeks or so. Definitely longr lashes with JM, and CK.
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Cherisse, I did not notice longer lashes from Ardell, but maybe conditioning. I used JM along with it for the first few months, and have used CareKate's lash growth serum the past 10 weeks or so. Definitely longr lashes with JM, and CK.


Do you still use both JM and CK together?
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:59 pm      Reply with quote
I don't use Ardell or the KGF stuff, but I have been using JM for 7 or 8 months. My eyelashes on the outside corners of my eyes have curled. It didn't start right away, but after 2 or 3 months, they started curling on their own. And my eyelashes are normally stick straight and don't want to hold a curl without LOTS of help!

So, I would venture to say it's the Revitalash... or maybe that combine with the KGF. The Ardell seems to just have conditioning ingredients in it...

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Arielle wrote:
I had originally started using it for my thinning hair on top. But, I started using it on my brows since I had a very thin almost bald spot on one brow where I had a scar. The very first thing I ever noticed was that the brow totally filled in. Then, after massaging the serum into my hair, I'd just take my hands and run them all the way down my face and neck. (No, you will NOT grow hair where you are not "programmed" to grow hair but the nutrients are great for the skin, too.) And, I'd take a q-tip or just my fingertip and run a drop across my upper lashes then my lower lashes. I don't remember ever having lashes at the outside corners of my lower lashes. Now, I do. My lashes have always been long, but now they are a bit thicker, probably about 15% more lashes, each lash is thicker and healthier lookin and there's less fallout.

So, I love this stuff. I'm waiting to finish my latest bottle so I can try CareKate's Rosemary Hair Accelerator. It is considerably less expensive and, as I mentioned earlier, it also has the KGF "signal".

If you are interested go to the www.skinactives.com forum, do a search on Hair Care Serum and see what everyone has to say about it.

Hope this helps.

Ari


Ari, I was wondering when you applied the KGF on your lashes, did you make sure you get to the roots? It says on ebay that you didn't have to use a lot of it, but I just used the applicator wand, and whatever is on that, I put on my lashes from the roots to the ends, except in the PM when I apply the RL, too.
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:18 pm      Reply with quote
Cherisse, I used JM on one eye and CK on the other, for about 10 weeks. Will post results in a couple weeks.
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Cherisse, I used JM on one eye and CK on the other, for about 10 weeks. Will post results in a couple weeks.


Did your lashes fall out with JM like the other girls that posted about that, too? I have been using RL for 4 weeks, and have not noticed lashes falling out more than normal. I hope it never comes. I would hate to part with my lashes.
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Yes, somewhat, which was too much for me! I actually answered you earlier with a long post which never showed up. Weird. Anyway, I did have a couple of bare spots, not huge, but I didn't like it at all. One was on my lower lashes, which were getting quite long, so it was really noticeable to me.

This is when I decided to throw off my white lab coat (I was really working to have a nice accurate trial for CK) and become average gal who wants long lashes. So, I started using CK on both eyes a couple weeks ago. Length is great; I'm really hoping to find a way to increase volume now.
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