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Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:46 am  |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| email them again Shawna, and tell them that you had not received an answer. That happened to me where the missed my first email, but after I sent a 2nd one stating that I had not received an answer, I got an email from them right away. HTH! |
i agree. they were in the middle of a large project and actually are a very small company. just email them again. they are *very* helpful!
sark -- i'm with you on the cleansers. i have to try the Milk just because, but in a polluted city i want something more. i think the ocean cleanser should fit the bill. that said, when you're using any cleanser at night, i firmly believe in using an oil or balm as your first step to get rid of impurities and sunscreen. it has really helped my face a lot! (i use Eve Lom every night with a muslin cloth).
MermaidGirl -- i'm not sure if this line will rid you of cysts or prevent them. (possibly it will, i just haven't used them long enough and will not make false claims. trust me, i'm the poster child for cystic acne. god forbid a normal common-place pimple sprout on my face....) what the products do *do* is make your skin look the best it possibly can given its current state. and the APC cream seems to act as a protective layer, keeping your skincare in and sunscreens and pollutants out (which also helps pores from inhaling all the gunk and clogging up).
and for those that missed the post above, the "D-Code" is this:
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| good news, all. avalange and i have arranged a d*scount with Osea for EDS members. i am using the * because i hate the idea of people abusing our forum for d*scount codes that have been given in good faith to us. i apologise to those who have already ordered (we made it happen as soon as we could) but, if you've fallen in love with the products as much as i already have, you'll be ordering again. |
what i neglected to mention is that you must use it atwww.oseaskin.com  (it was late) |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:05 am |
| amylola wrote: |
Ava - What do you think of the atmosphere protection cream? The cheaper one 
Thinking about trying this in the a.m. I got my APC yesterday, and used it last night, and loved it, but may be too heavy for day time.
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hi amylola!
I am not in obsessive love with Atmosphere as I am with most of their other products... It reminds me a little of Amy's Chysalyx cream, there are some similar ingredients in there, but the Atmosphere is in a base of algae gel rather than botanical oil, so it is a little less oily upon application. All of my past boyfriends have been HOOKED on this cream; I do in fact prefer something heavier. I like to dilute the advanced with a little oil and some HA, or more recently, with some oat beta glucans, to make it a lovely day moisturizer. I just like having less products around, and this works to simplify things for me--i get to use up all my little past indulgences (oils) while using my fave moisturizer.
and to sark: the corrective and hydrating oils are in a roller ball dispenser.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:55 am |
| avalange wrote: |
| amylola wrote: |
Ava - What do you think of the atmosphere protection cream? The cheaper one
Thinking about trying this in the a.m. I got my APC yesterday, and used it last night, and loved it, but may be too heavy for day time.
Thoughts? |
hi amylola!
I am not in obsessive love with Atmosphere as I am with most of their other products... It reminds me a little of Amy's Chysalyx cream, there are some similar ingredients in there, but the Atmosphere is in a base of algae gel rather than botanical oil, so it is a little less oily upon application. All of my past boyfriends have been HOOKED on this cream; I do in fact prefer something heavier. I like to dilute the advanced with a little oil and some HA, or more recently, with some oat beta glucans, to make it a lovely day moisturizer. I just like having less products around, and this works to simplify things for me--i get to use up all my little past indulgences (oils) while using my fave moisturizer.
and to sark: the corrective and hydrating oils are in a roller ball dispenser.
--avalange |
The chrysalyx and the atmosphere protection cream are actually quite similar in their concept, i.e. protection from the elements--but chrysalyx seems to be more like a cocktail of all sorts of things--dmae, ceramides, etc. I thought the textures and lightness of these moisturizers were similar, but perhaps osea's is better for oilier skins, since it doesn't have too many botanical butters in it:
Chrysalyx:
ChrysalyxTM ultra-hydration environmental shieldTM
Juniperus Communis (Juniper) Berries, Melissa Officinalis (Lemon Balm) Extract, Lavendula Augustifolia (Lavender) Oil, Aqua (Steam Distilled Water), Infusion of Organic Herbs: Chamomilla Recutita Matricaria (Chamomile), Angelica Archangelica (Angelica), Althea Officinalis (Marsh Mallow), Organic Helianthus Annus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Glycerin*, Glyceryl Stearate*, Cetearyl Alcohol*, Ceteareth-20*, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter, Organic Theobroma Cacao (Coco) Butter, Organic Mangifera Indica (Certified Organic Mango Butter), Organic Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Butter, Ester-C, Panthenol (Vitamin B complex Factor), Ceramide-3, Retinol (Vitamin A), Tocopherol (Vitamin E) Natural, Dimethylethanolamine (DMAE), Essential Oil Bound Blend of: Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Lavendula Augustifolia (Lavender) Oil, Rosemarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Xanthan Gum*, Caprylic Acid, Glycine, Sodium Hyaluronate (Hyaluronic Acid), Punica Granatum (Pomegranate) Seed Oil, Methyl Paraben**, Propyl Paraben**. *Vegetable Derived ** Tree-bark Derived
Osea Atmosphere Protection Cream:
100% Natural Derived Ingredients. Red Algae Gel Extract (Chondrus Crispus), Coco Caprylate/Caprate (Vegetable Glycerides), Macadamia Nut Oil, Sorbitan Olivate, Cetearyl Glucoside (Corn & Coconut Glucolipid), Shea Butter, Jojoba Oil, Avocado Oil, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate (Natural Smectite Clay), Palmitoyl Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Calendula Extract, L-Lysine Lauroyl Methionine (Amino Acid from Plants), Xanthan Gum, Laminaria Algae Extract, Retinyl Palmitate & Ergocalciferol (Vitamin A & D), Ginkgo Biloba, Citrus Grandis Seed Extract, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate (Amino Acid), Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:54 am |
| avalange, can you tell me how are you mixing the liquid BG with the APC? I mean, are you just mixing this in your hand before you apply? Thanks in advance! |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:16 am |
yes, rileygirl,
just mixing it straight in my hand, emulsifying with my finger. i never premix anything. i just intuit what my skin might need at any moment! sometimes i mix nothing in it at all.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:18 am |
| Thanks Avalange. Appreciate the help! |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:17 pm |
La vie,
Thanks for the info on the code. It is much appreciated! I am going to start off with some samples and go from there. Do I need to mention anyone's name for the code if I decide to purchase full size? Or perhaps I should PM you...
I sent the email again so hopefully I will hear back from them soon! |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:29 pm |
| Shawna wrote: |
| Thanks for the info on the code. It is much appreciated! I am going to start off with some samples and go from there. Do I need to mention anyone's name for the code if I decide to purchase full size? Or perhaps I should PM you... |
just PM myself or avalange when you're ready to order. |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:40 pm |
| la vie - question about the apc - i noticed it has squalene in it, and i've heard this can cause breakouts for people who are acne prone. have you had any problems? you use chrysalyx too, right? how would you compare it to apc? do you think they're both good for day and night (i.e. if i already own and like chrysalyx, do i really need apc?) . . . |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:08 pm |
| sark wrote: |
| la vie - question about the apc - i noticed it has squalene in it, and i've heard this can cause breakouts for people who are acne prone. have you had any problems? you use chrysalyx too, right? how would you compare it to apc? do you think they're both good for day and night (i.e. if i already own and like chrysalyx, do i really need apc?) . . . |
sark, I know you asked la vie, but I am acne prone and have never had an issue with squalane. However, I have read that red algae is very comedogenic and irritating, which I find very surprising. I'm not too worried though, because I'd rather hear testimonials about the product as a whole rather than fuss about the ingredients, because I think skin tolerates ingredients very differently in different blends.
still, this link has an interesting list of common ingredients and their comedogenicity and irritation. I'm not taking it too seriously though since there are plenty of things on that list that say they won't break me out but di, and vice versa. http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/acnedetect.htm |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:47 pm |
| sark wrote: |
| la vie - question about the apc - i noticed it has squalene in it, and i've heard this can cause breakouts for people who are acne prone. have you had any problems? you use chrysalyx too, right? how would you compare it to apc? do you think they're both good for day and night (i.e. if i already own and like chrysalyx, do i really need apc?) . . . |
i do *not* use the chrysalyx. it is an absolutely lovely product and i wish like hell i could use it but i can't. shea butter (which wasn't even on waffle's list) breaks me out like mad and it gets worse every time i try. i thought if i could handle any shea product it would be chrysalyx but, alas, i can't.
APC is *very* different, IMO, from chrysalyx because it forms a more protective layer (chrysalyx is more akin to the atmosperic cream which also has shea so i won't be trying it). do you need this if you love chrysalyx? no, not if your you're happy with what chrysalyx's doing for you. if it ain't broke.... i know you're already trying so many new things and should probably hold off adding more, especially if you're nervous about the squalene.
once i get the APC, i'll be using it as my day cream. i like that it will keep my serums and oils in while protecting my face from sunscreen and pollutants. i doubt, however, that i'll use it at night (unless my skin is really parched). i like to use actives at night and prefer *not* to use moisturisers over them. i like my skin to breathe at night.
squalene made from olives does not seem to break me out, at least in any of the formulations i've used (i've never used it neat). the one made from sharks, however, does. as for the algae, some people have trouble with it; in fact, some people breakout just from *eating* seaweed. waffle's right, everybody is different. i had used the SKB and my skin absolutely adored it so i was pretty sure i wouldn't have a problem with this. not only did i *not* have a problem, but my skin seems to like it even more! and no flakies -- who could ask for more? |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:53 pm |
| thanks! i think i'll try to get samples of the 3 cleansers for sure, and whatever else osea is nice enough to throw in will be icing on the cake . . . |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:54 pm |
| btw la vie, i'm sure you've mentioned this before, but what type of toner do you use/which ones have you tried out (and both liked and disliked)? |
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Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:22 pm |
| sark wrote: |
| btw la vie, i'm sure you've mentioned this before, but what type of toner do you use/which ones have you tried out (and both liked and disliked)? |
i haven't used a traditional toner for a long, long time. i wash my face at night with Eve Lom cleanser and a muslin cloth and know i'm getting rid of everything. i just never found one that did much more than clean my face and, since it already is, why bother? (i do do a spritz of Avene Thermal Water after cleansing, but i don't think that's really what you're asking.) |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:27 am |
La Vie & Ava,
If I want to get rid of redness, but my skin is not oily/acne, should I still try the mud cleanser??
(if you already answered this, sorry - I'm too lazy today to read all the way through the thread!)  |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:36 pm |
| yogi wrote: |
La Vie & Ava,
If I want to get rid of redness, but my skin is not oily/acne, should I still try the mud cleanser??
(if you already answered this, sorry - I'm too lazy today to read all the way through the thread!) |
hi yogi!
The cleansing milk is formulated for sensitive/rosacea skins, so I think that it would be your best bet. I think that the redness/mud connection is dramatized by the fact that the stuff does sting when you put it on, and you EXPECT your skin to be all red, but it is not. As far as reducing redness? Don't have a clue, since I'm hardly ever reddening lately and la vie has my mud--better ask her!
On second thought, the mud is an excellent exfoliating/purifying cleanser for those who have skin prone to redness, since most products along those lines will indeed turn you beet red.
re: algae and acne, I've never heard that before! I think a lot of EDS members will be trying this line soon, and since it is heavy on the red algae gel, we shall soon see if it does not agree with certain skin types. I've personally never heard of adverse reactions to it. I hawked the stuff at Fred Segal for several years, then became a buyer of a skincare store in santa cruz for several years and sold it there, and have recommended it to most of my friends, and every single one of my ex-roommates use it (one exception: my best friend didn;t like it b/c it did not clear up her acne, but accutane finally did). I think they have a very loyal following, and they are the only skincare line that fred segal has never dropped in the last 15 years (every skincare line's DREAM is to be in this store). So, if its main ingredient broke people out like crazy, I've yet to hear about it.
Also, has anyone heard of seamollient? This seems to me like a version of red algae gel (with chemicals, though). It has the same main ingredient--chondrus crispus. A lot of people are using SKB (Seakelp bioferment, another algae gel) and Seamollient as bases for acneic and oily skin types. But algae is very concentrated and extremely active (minerals, amino acids, vitamins), so there is always a chance that it would disagree with some skins.
I hope that helps to clarify some things a bit!
AND, let's not confuse everyone with the initials APC: Advanced and Atmosphere have the same initials! I nominate Atmosphere protection cream to be abbreviated ATPC.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:47 pm |
Thanks Av -
Which Fred Segal did you work in? |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:30 pm |
| yogi wrote: |
Thanks Av -
Which Fred Segal did you work in? |
Melrose, in Apothia. A long time ago! Ron Robinson gave me my first job when I was 15.
Of course, it was wrapping presents in the office, but my first assignment was to wrap an eelskin photo album for Madonna! I ended up working there on and off (when I wasn't living in VT or SAnta Cruz) for almost 6 years, and they were always so good to me. I've seen a lot of interesting and weird skin care lines come and go!
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:34 pm |
| I've spent much time and money at Melrose and Santa Monica. And the skin care one that used to be in Brentwood Gardens. |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:52 pm |
yup, so have I!!!!!
It's very easy to spend money there. Planet Blue is another one, and I've yet to go to Palmetto.
BTW, anyone ever been to Naimies in the Valley? They have virtually EVERYTHING, and all the industry people shop there. Very inexpensive, high quality brushes, too.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:55 pm |
| avalange wrote: |
yup, so have I!!!!!
It's very easy to spend money there. Planet Blue is another one, and I've yet to go to Palmetto.
BTW, anyone ever been to Naimies in the Valley? They have virtually EVERYTHING, and all the industry people shop there. Very inexpensive, high quality brushes, too.
--avalange |
Ooooooh! Planet Blue! I've heard of Naimies, but have never been. I'll have to get there. |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:06 pm |
| yogi wrote: |
La Vie & Ava,
If I want to get rid of redness, but my skin is not oily/acne, should I still try the mud cleanser??
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it definitely gets you poreless regardless of skin type because it worked on both avalange and i (not that i really noticed large pores on you -- was too busy looking at your lips). whilst my skin is formerly oily and still acne prone, it has gotten drier with age so.... i can't imagine it *not* helping with redness either, regardless (though you never *really* know until you try it yourself). with dry skin, you'd just use it less.
the cleansing mud kept the red away (except my damned cystic breakouts that will not go away!) for two days. it might have lasted longer, but i weakened and used it again.
suprisingly, it doesn't feel harsh at all -- just active. since you have the luxury of a Fred Segals, i'd recommend bringing your own container possibly and getting a sample.... let us know. |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:19 pm |
| I'll go to F.S. soon. I do remember when they got Osea in... |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:27 pm |
| avalange!! I KNEW your pics looked familiar to me....I lived in santa cruz for years. Did you work at farmacy? |
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:59 pm |
oh no, i knew this would happen sooner or later?!
yogi--you remember when osea was launched there??? then i must have helped you at one point! I hope I sold you some nice products. It was so much fun because there is something for everyone in that store, you just have to find the right match up! And I was just as zealous about osea then as I am now! on that note, do you remember Anna Bayle lipsticks? They were the BEST, kind of like JH years before JH.
and, waffle--no, I worked at ID (Integrand Design), now closed (how sad! it was the best store in SC), the building now houses the sockshop santa cruz. i was in santa cruz basically from 1998-99. I've never heard of farmacy, but then again there are so many new stores in SC, it is quite the bourgeois shopping mecca these days! ironic, isn't it? do you still live there? my former manager at ID now owns a great store called "red poppy."
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