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Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:21 am      Reply with quote
I've been wondering for a while now - is there an age limit for taking MSM? I mean - can kids take it??
I am always on the look for things to help with my 10-year old daughter's skin issues (very thin and dry skin with chronic eczema). I don't think I'd want her to have more energy Shock (she is a ball of energy as it is Laughing ), but if it would help with her skin - i'd love to try it with her.

So - if MSM is OK for kids - what dose would you recommend? She is 10.5 yrs old - approximately 70-75 lbs.

Thanks! R. Smile

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:41 am      Reply with quote
My MSM story so far...
I've been taking MSM for about month now. I started off slowly and I'm now up to 4g in the morning with 1g vit C.

The first thing I noticed was: my nails..They grew! I've never had nails as they've always been really weak.

The second was: No hair in the plug hole. I have thick curly hair, which usually fills the plug hole weekly :-& , I've not had to romove ANY since taking MSM (over a month!)

I haven't really noticed anything to do with weight, well I have lost some but I've also been training quite hard, so I think its more down to that.

Catski mentioned she thought her lips looked plumper, I thought this as well, but put it down to wishfull thinking!

The only side effect I seemed to have is "digestion" as somebody politely put it earlier. I don't want to be crude, but stools haven't been as firm as they should!!!! Eh?
It has been pretty much constantly like this since I started taking MSM, is this bad?

My nails have started to become brittle gain this week, could I be at a plateau? I was thinking of upping my dose?

Candida was mentioned earlier. I have suffered from this, how does MSM help?

Well my overall view is a definite thumbs up to MSM. I'm looking forward to seeing the benefits in my skin, supposedly this is usually around the six week mark.

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:12 pm      Reply with quote
rubby wrote:
So - if MSM is OK for kids - what dose would you recommend? She is 10.5 yrs old - approximately 70-75 lbs.


MSM is fine for kids--our daughter has had it since birth. She weighs 45 pounds and gets a half teaspoon (2 grams) a day. I would start at half a gram and work up from there although kids generally don't detox like us older folks do!
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My nails have started to become brittle gain this week, could I be at a plateau? I was thinking of upping my dose?

Candida was mentioned earlier. I have suffered from this, how does MSM help?


You can work your way significantly higher if you would like to try it. I think things will normalize in the bathroom area over time, but some people do react that way with vitamin C so that may be the issue.

I had a severe candida infection and I had tried all sorts of herbal things that claimed to kill it off with no apparent effect at all. What did it for me was megadosing on MSM (10 teaspoons a day or 40 grams) over a period of about 3 months while also doing the candida diet (no sugars, not even from fruit, no vinegar, no yeast, no mushrooms, and I think a few other things that I can't remember now and no starch the first week) and taking some probiotics to rebalance my gut. Between all of that I felt that it eradicated it completely.
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:49 pm      Reply with quote
Thankyou, pcnetwrx. That is very interesting. I really had no idea that MSM could help so many conditions.

I'm going to slowly increase my dose and see what happens to my weak digestion, melasma's and energy levels.
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:07 pm      Reply with quote
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preenie wrote:
My nails have started to become brittle gain this week, could I be at a plateau? I was thinking of upping my dose?

Candida was mentioned earlier. I have suffered from this, how does MSM help?


You can work your way significantly higher if you would like to try it. I think things will normalize in the bathroom area over time, but some people do react that way with vitamin C so that may be the issue.

I had a severe candida infection and I had tried all sorts of herbal things that claimed to kill it off with no apparent effect at all. What did it for me was megadosing on MSM (10 teaspoons a day or 40 grams) over a period of about 3 months while also doing the candida diet (no sugars, not even from fruit, no vinegar, no yeast, no mushrooms, and I think a few other things that I can't remember now and no starch the first week) and taking some probiotics to rebalance my gut. Between all of that I felt that it eradicated it completely.


Hi pcnetwrx, I think you own a site that Tangal mentioned in one of her previous posts that sells MSM in powder form. Am I correct? Is this how you have gained knowledge of MSM (plus being the user yourself)? I was just wondering if the powder form is stronger than capsules. I am currently taking NSI brand MSM I bought from Vitacost.com. It has 1 g of MSM in each capsule. There's no other ingredient. I was reluctant to try the powder form as I heard it could taste bitter and I really hate bitter tasting things. But I guess if it works better, I'll have to try to overcome the taste issue. However before I ask you any more questions, I just want to see if you're who I think you are. Thank you! Smile
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:58 am      Reply with quote
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preenie wrote:
My nails have started to become brittle gain this week, could I be at a plateau? I was thinking of upping my dose?

Candida was mentioned earlier. I have suffered from this, how does MSM help?


You can work your way significantly higher if you would like to try it. I think things will normalize in the bathroom area over time, but some people do react that way with vitamin C so that may be the issue.

I had a severe candida infection and I had tried all sorts of herbal things that claimed to kill it off with no apparent effect at all. What did it for me was megadosing on MSM (10 teaspoons a day or 40 grams) over a period of about 3 months while also doing the candida diet (no sugars, not even from fruit, no vinegar, no yeast, no mushrooms, and I think a few other things that I can't remember now and no starch the first week) and taking some probiotics to rebalance my gut. Between all of that I felt that it eradicated it completely.


Aaaa that's really interesting. I did start taking vit C at the same time so it could well be down to that.

Regarding Candida, I was diagnosed with it or something similar after having a routine smear. To honest I don't know much about it, apart from that it's yeast related. I'm going to go off and read about it now. I don't have it severely (well as far as I know!) So I hope I wont have to go to the extremes that you did, but it'll be great if the MSM can help.
Thanks for your response
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:40 pm      Reply with quote
So...I've been taking MSM for less than a month now. I just came back from the doctor and I've lost 4 pds!!!!! Yaay, now, I have to say that I've been working out like 3-4 times a week for the past 5 wks. I weighed 133 3 wks ago. I can't say it was the MSM, but who knows maybe it helped.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:37 pm      Reply with quote
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Regarding Candida, I was diagnosed with it or something similar after having a routine smear. To honest I don't know much about it, apart from that it's yeast related. I'm going to go off and read about it now.


In a nutshell, candida yeast is normally present in everyone's gut. It is kept there and in balance by the good bacteria that also resides there and feeds on it. But if you ever go through a course of antibiotics, the good bacteria as well as the bad bacteria is killed off. That leaves the candida without anything to keep it in check and it will grow like wildfire especially if sugars are not limited at the same time you are on antibiotics (ever have a doctor warn you about that?). At that point it can leave the gut and go throughout your entire system wreaking all sorts of havoc, especially if it reaches your brain (remember those anxiety/panic attacks that I used to have?). When it is throughout your body, it is very difficult to bring under control again. Many, many people have this systemic infection and don't even know it. But I had it so bad that I had brown patches on my skin where the skin folds so in that case, that clinches the diagnosis. For those that don't have the brown patches (yet), there are checklists of symptoms that I have seen, but I don't know where to refer you to in order to find the lists.
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bkkgirl wrote:
I was just wondering if the powder form is stronger than capsules.


I don't know that powder is stronger than capsules (although I do know people that would argue that it is), but MOST capsules do have other ingredients even if they are not listed. The real test is to open a capsule and dump it into a small glass of water. The MSM should go to the bottom of the glass right away and should eventually all dissolve. If it all floats on the surface, there are definitely excipients or other additives in it that prevent full absorption. It will usually never dissolve even if left for over a day. I even tried it in vinegar to simulate some stomach acid and it wouldn't dissolve.
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bkkgirl wrote:
I was just wondering if the powder form is stronger than capsules.


I don't know that powder is stronger than capsules (although I do know people that would argue that it is), but MOST capsules do have other ingredients even if they are not listed. The real test is to open a capsule and dump it into a small glass of water. The MSM should go to the bottom of the glass right away and should eventually all dissolve. If it all floats on the surface, there are definitely excipients or other additives in it that prevent full absorption. It will usually never dissolve even if left for over a day. I even tried it in vinegar to simulate some stomach acid and it wouldn't dissolve.


I just tried your little experiment and it's sitting on top of the water. Is there a brand of MSM capsules that you'd recommend? I want to make sure that it's dissolving and helping. TIA

I'm taking Life Time Lignisul MSM. I thought was a good brand. It says on the bottle that is 100% Pure MSM.
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I'm taking Life Time Lignisul MSM. I thought was a good brand. It says on the bottle that is 100% Pure MSM.


I replied privately to you on one of the questions, but I wanted to clarify something about brand names.

Lignisul MSM and OptiMSM are the two major US brands of MSM from the manufacturer. There are many bottlers, packagers, etc. like Life Time. If they use Lignisul MSM or OptiMSM, they are allowed to have that on the lable, but it does not mean that they didn't also add something else during their packaging process, but that really is supposed to also be listed, usually as "other inert ingredients". So all of that to say that just because Life Time apparently adds something, that does not mean that all Lignisul MSM is "suspect"--it will depend on the individual packager.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:30 pm      Reply with quote
Yes,
other ingredients: Magnesium Sterate, Gelatin, Water.

I see what you mean. Thank you!
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:37 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you, PCNetwrx. I just opened up my NSI MSM which is supposed to have only OptiMSM in it, and it all floats. Nothing sinks! Wow! This is amazing. I wonder what kind of binders they put in it, and is it ok for them to list on their label that there's no other ingredient in it? I'm really disappointed in NSI now for lying.

I just sent your a PM with some questions. Thank you in advance.
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Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:04 am      Reply with quote
I think if its a powder it will always float, since it is so fine.
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Monica34 wrote:
I think if its a powder it will always float, since it is so fine.


I wondered that as well lastnight.
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Monica34 wrote:
I think if its a powder it will always float, since it is so fine.


I don't think so (and PCNetwrx and Tangal can correct me if I'm wrong), but I think the powder form they sell should sink. When I opened up my capsule, and dumped the content in water, I could see some film on top that prevented the powder to sink. I plan to order the MSM Powder and see if I could see better results. In the mean time, I'm going to increase my dosage of the capsules so not to waste it.
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Monica34 wrote:
I think if its a powder it will always float, since it is so fine.
Powder is supposed to sink as well, and it should dissolve fairly quickly (like in a few minutes) if it is a powder. But the ones that I see float never dissolve.
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I just tried the test with mine, opened capsule added to water. It all sank and was disolved a half hour later (may have been sooner, that's when I went back to look). Got mine at GNC store $9.00 for a bottle of 90, they only had 1000 though, not the 500 (not sure what the measurement is mg, I think)

The only additive stated was Titantiam Dixoide for whitner.
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Linda101 wrote:
I just tried the test with mine, opened capsule added to water. It all sank and was disolved a half hour later (may have been sooner, that's when I went back to look). Got mine at GNC store $9.00 for a bottle of 90, they only had 1000 though, not the 500 (not sure what the measurement is mg, I think)

The only additive stated was Titantiam Dixoide for whitner.


Thank for letting us know. Smile
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I use powdered and it sinks (I add to juice and it immediately sinks) - then I stir it with my straw while drinking to keep it suspended.

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:34 pm      Reply with quote
my powder also all sinks right away, I stir it and drink. I usually add it to a large glass of Splenda Sweetened Iced Tea. (16 oz)

Sometimes juice.

No bitter taste then.
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as far as candida goes. They say in the morning take a glass of water and spit in it. Then wait a couple minutes and then look at the sides of it, if you see "legs" coming down you have it. Shock Shock Shock
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pcnetwrx wrote:
Monica34 wrote:
I think if its a powder it will always float, since it is so fine.
Powder is supposed to sink as well, and it should dissolve fairly quickly (like in a few minutes) if it is a powder. But the ones that I see float never dissolve.


Oh okay - thats good to know - thanks Smile
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as far as candida goes. They say in the morning take a glass of water and spit in it. Then wait a couple minutes and then look at the sides of it, if you see "legs" coming down you have it. Shock Shock Shock


good grief. Embarassed

I sort of want to do it, but it's a wee bit.... eeew..
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