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Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:32 pm |
I was wondering about this for a while. Essentially, acne is caused primarily through an excess of sebum on the face which blocks pores. Some people have really oily skin, but no acne whatsoever.
It made me wonder how that's possible. Then I came up with a theory...
Since acne is not just about excess sebum production, but also dead skin cells in combination, these people possibly don't have many dead skin cells that people with acne that use really drying products have?
I hope you can understand where I am coming from. Do you think this theory is valid? Since acne = dead skin cells + sebum + maybe bacteria that clog pores... and that excess sebum alone shouldn't do that? |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:05 pm |
I am figuring it has something to do with the cell turnover and way each person's skin cells shed rather than the oil.
My husband has very oily skin (like an oil slick) uses only soap and water on his face in the morning only, yet he doesn't get pimples. On the other hand, I also have very oily skin and wash my face 2 times a day using AHA cleanser and a Retinalyde or AHA Serum at night and always have mild acne. Who knows. |
_________________ 56, Very Fair Skin, Oily with Mild Breakouts, Blonde, Blue Eyes, Irish/German Descent |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:08 pm |
I do wonder why too.. My DH has very oily skin and barely washes his face. He has like no pimples at all!! I have very dry skin and break out easily.. |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:10 pm |
That's an interesting observation. I was very oily into my 30's and always had a problem with acne. |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:14 pm |
MystyPines wrote: |
I am figuring it has something to do with the cell turnover and way each person's skin cells shed rather than the oil.
My husband has very oily skin (like an oil slick) uses only soap and water on his face in the morning only, yet he doesn't get pimples. On the other hand, I also have very oily skin and wash my face 2 times a day using AHA cleanser and a Retinalyde or AHA Serum at night and always have mild acne. Who knows. |
Thank you for your contribution, that's actually pretty interesting that your husband and yourself are opposites when it comes to that, in the sense that he never gets pimples. I believe you are correct, the cell turnover rate may vary differently through people. Perhaps healthy skin people have quicker cell turnover? Makes sense! |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:16 pm |
poohlisey wrote: |
I do wonder why too.. My DH has very oily skin and barely washes his face. He has like no pimples at all!! I have very dry skin and break out easily.. |
I am very convinced now (over time) that dead skin cells is responsible for acne more so than just sebum is alone. If one theoretically had no dead skin cells or very little, along with no bacteria and had healthy skin, the sebum alone can't clog pores as it does, otherwise our skin would evenly be breaking out where we have oil, but it's always isolated pimples. |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:47 pm |
This is interesting. I have very oily skin and had typical, moderate teenage acne. Since college, however, I virtually never break out, although my skin is still just as oily. I always assumed it had something to do with horomones? |
_________________ 29; fair skin, dark blonde hair, hazel eyes; very oily skin. Concerns: large pores, improving skin texture and minimizing/preventing signs of aging. |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:51 pm |
hlg22 wrote: |
This is interesting. I have very oily skin and had typical, moderate teenage acne. Since college, however, I virtually never break out, although my skin is still just as oily. I always assumed it had something to do with horomones? |
You're so lucky! |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:16 pm |
This is interesting. I was always oily until I hit my mid 30's, now in my early 40's I am sorta dry/combo. However, I have struggled with acne for all of my adult life. Oily and now dry/combo.
I would say anyone lucky enough to not have a problem with acne but still be oily may benefit in the long run with less wrinkles. Oilies are a pain, but I'd take them over wrinkles.
~ Heather |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:24 pm |
doodlebug wrote: |
This is interesting. I was always oily until I hit my mid 30's, now in my early 40's I am sorta dry/combo. However, I have struggled with acne for all of my adult life. Oily and now dry/combo.
I would say anyone lucky enough to not have a problem with acne but still be oily may benefit in the long run with less wrinkles. Oilies are a pain, but I'd take them over wrinkles.
~ Heather |
Sorry to hear that doodlebug. Have you tried Vitamin C serums? |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:32 pm |
if I understand what my derm tells me, it's not just the quantity of dead cells -- it's that they stick together and clog pores (something about keratinocytes). He was explaining that retinoids work by regulating the function of the skin so that this doesn't happen. So if your skin cells don't do this, your pores are much less likely to clog, even if your skin is oily.
Sebum does cause more problems in people who have a tendency to clogged pores. |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:23 pm |
[i] I just turned 50 and am hoping that maybe when I turn 60 I won't have any more breakouts! One can hope... Derms have been arguing this point for decades. From my experience working with folks who have acne and other skin conditions for many years now, there is a direct correlation between dead skin cells and clogged pores, acne and skin disorders - I agree! |
_________________ Thank you for your time, sending many blessings in life. | President NaturDerm, Inc. / Greatnewskin |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:48 pm |
I made this thread because I am undergoing a test to prove this theory, that seems to be true.
I have oily skin right now and I believe I have high skin cell turnover rate because no matter how "gentle" the products I use, I still seem to break out. No matter how harsh, the results the same. I've tested many things. I eat amazingly healthy, work out daily, cardio only, and drink plenty of water. I even take acv, and have a balanced diet.
But now, It seems that only one thing is working right now and it's amazing, that how obvious it was to include it as part of my final regimine. (knock on wood!)
I needed to find a gentle way to exfoliate daily, without being abrasive, and only take out the dead skin cells without irritating the skin. How was I to do that? It hit me.
A baby's hair brush.
Why do I say that? Because, it's like a facial exfoliator brush, but much most softer. It's meant to brush the sensitive scalp of a baby's hair, the equivalent to your sensitive face, if not more!
So I put this theory into work. I went to baby's r us and bought one. It cost under $4. I do it twice a day. What I do is I splash my face with warm water a few times, and then I apply my face wash. Then when it's on my face, I pull out my *cleaned* baby brush, and brush my face gently. It feels like a massage! I do it gently, without irritating it. Then once I am done, I rinse my face off, pat dry, and moisturize (or you can apply topicals). I was right!
My oilyness had not changed, but I was so smooth, and so soft, you could feel the difference. And it was the most cost effective, and gentlest way. It felt great
All because of a baby's hair brush! Done evening, and night, synergetically with my face wash.
I'll see how long this lasts, and post back if it works as well as I am hoping it to. I have great faith in this final step! |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:54 pm |
xxndnromeoxx wrote: |
I made this thread because I am undergoing a test to prove this theory, that seems to be true.
I have oily skin right now and I believe I have high skin cell turnover rate because no matter how "gentle" the products I use, I still seem to break out. No matter how harsh, the results the same. I've tested many things. I eat amazingly healthy, work out daily, cardio only, and drink plenty of water. I even take acv, and have a balanced diet.
But now, It seems that only one thing is working right now and it's amazing, that how obvious it was to include it as part of my final regimine. (knock on wood!)
I needed to find a gentle way to exfoliate daily, without being abrasive, and only take out the dead skin cells without irritating the skin. How was I to do that? It hit me.
A baby's hair brush.
Why do I say that? Because, it's like a facial exfoliator brush, but much most softer. It's meant to brush the sensitive scalp of a baby's hair, the equivalent to your sensitive face, if not more!
So I put this theory into work. I went to baby's r us and bought one. It cost under $4. I do it twice a day. What I do is I splash my face with warm water a few times, and then I apply my face wash. Then when it's on my face, I pull out my *cleaned* baby brush, and brush my face gently. It feels like a massage! I do it gently, without irritating it. Then once I am done, I rinse my face off, pat dry, and moisturize (or you can apply topicals). I was right!
My oilyness had not changed, but I was so smooth, and so soft, you could feel the difference. And it was the most cost effective, and gentlest way. It felt great
All because of a baby's hair brush! Done evening, and night, synergetically with my face wash.
I'll see how long this lasts, and post back if it works as well as I am hoping it to. I have great faith in this final step! |
Wow! Wouldn't it be great if really was that simple?! I'm not as oily as I used to be, but I still do get the monthly breakout. I'm going to give this a try. Thank you for the suggestion! |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:56 pm |
xxndnromeoxx,
Thanks for sharing us your beauty secret. I will definiately try this out!
Keep us posted! |
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:15 pm |
tam wrote: |
Wow! Wouldn't it be great if really was that simple?! I'm not as oily as I used to be, but I still do get the monthly breakout. I'm going to give this a try. Thank you for the suggestion! |
Hehe, well by no means is that the only thing I do, remember, I pretty much have a complete regimen, so I am just adding and taking out things to narrow it down. I've been researching for 7 years and coping with acne, and slowly, it's getting less and less. I usually experiment with items, techniques, and products, and then if they work in the whole equation, I leave it in, and then go on further
So the brushing technique is just one added element, hoping to complete this equation!
The rest of my body is under control now as well But because of my diet, nutrients, exercise, water, good habits, and proper washing and all. I noticed when I exfoliated my body as well, the acne went down, way down since it seemed that it was theoretically the last thing remaining! So now I am hoping my face is the next area of improvement, even more so! |
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:24 am |
I had breakouts all my life that was controlled from time to time by prescriptions. After menopause, I thought I would finally be rid of it but no, nothing changed because I still had oily skin.
BUT from the moment I started using Remergent products I have never had a breakout since. That includes using a few Valmont products as well and an exfoliator.
My theory is that you need products that will not clog the pores so that excess sebum can get out. That includes not using products that close up the pores - your skin might look ok for a short time because the pores have been closed but the sebum will be building up inside and if it can't get out and you are prone to bacterial infections then bingo - breakouts.
So - a mild but effective cleanser, exfoliate (or scrub), skin compatible moisturiser/antiaging products and sunscreen.
So to answer your question why some oily skinned people never get pimples - they don't use products that clog their pores. |
_________________ Skin: Over 60, ex combination now sensitive, Cellcosmet |
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:14 pm |
I found a really great reply on acne.org from a moderator. This was new to me so I thought I would also share
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There are several factors to acne, and oil is only a contributing factor, not the real cause. The skin of acne sufferers has a specific set of abnormalities - abnormal desquamation and keratinization being foremost imo. Abnormal desquamation means that the cells that line the pore slough off into the pore much too fast, and abnormal keratinization means that the pore produces too much keratin (the substance that makes fingernails hard) and this combines with unusually sticky sebum to produce blockages to form in the pores. This creates an anaerobic (low oxygen) environment under the clog that allows the natural bacterial populations to skyrocket, and this activity produces inflammation. If those clogs didn't happen, the oil would just exit to the surface and no acne would form.
Topical retinoids can help to regulate the abnormalities in the pores (as does Accutane), and chemical exfoliants can help to unclog the blockages from the top. Antibiotics have an anti-inflammatory effect and can decrease bacterial activity, and BP reduces bacteria by introducing oxygen which hampers their reproduction. |
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:52 pm |
that would make sense in that acne seems to be genetic -- we inherit the abnormal keratinization. That explains also why people who just try and dry their face out to no end only have limited results. |
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