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Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:15 pm      Reply with quote
It is not melasma, it is post inflammatory hyperpigmentation right around my mouth (moustache like) from using too many harsh products on my skin (yes, I've learnt my lesson!). I then went on accutane last summer and the dermatologist didn't warn me about wearing sunblock and it worsened. Now my skin is even more sensitive post accutane, and EVERYTHING that I use seems to just irritate my skin and make it worse. It has been nearly a year and it's not gone yet. I am using bioderma sunblock now, so sun exposure is not an issue. What can I do? Thanks for your help.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:44 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Coconut,

Garden of Wisdom has a White Daisy Serum that is getting rave reviews in terms of skin lightening effects. At the skininteractives board, there are pictures of someone who has been using this serum for only a short time ... so it apparently works very quickly as well.

Do you think something like that would help?

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:03 pm      Reply with quote
hpjrt wrote:
Hi Coconut,

Garden of Wisdom has a White Daisy Serum that is getting rave reviews in terms of skin lightening effects. At the skininteractives board, there are pictures of someone who has been using this serum for only a short time ... so it apparently works very quickly as well.

Do you think something like that would help?

Mary


ahh, thank you so much! I'll try it. Do you have the url for skininteractives, I googled it and nothing came up.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:49 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Coconut,

Here is the URL for skininteractives

http://skininteractive.proboards28.com/

and here is the URL for the White Daisy Serum

http://www.gardenofwisdom.com/catalog/item/4013927/3784346.htm

Good luck!

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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:28 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Coconut...I am having the same problem with hyperpigmentation. I'm faithfully using a sunscreen everyday, but some days, it still seems worse. And I'm using various products trying to get it under control, but it's getting more and more frustrating as time goes on. I too have learned my lesson!! PLEASE post and let us know if you have any luck with the White Daisy serum.
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I have been using the daisy serum from GOW for about a week. I will update in a month to let you know how it goes. I don't have a lot of hyperpigmentation, but do have some on my forehead (from pregnancy) and some old red pimple marks.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:38 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks, Amylola!! Smile
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:43 pm      Reply with quote
Oh also wanted to mention that this daisy serum is extremely reasonably priced compared to some other products, such as SC phyto, it is only around 9 dollars per 1/2 ounce. I bought 2 bottles, and figure I will wait till I finish them both. I am using both am and pm. HTH!
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:59 pm      Reply with quote
I'm eager to hear your results too, amylola. If you see improvements, I hope you post even if it's before you've used up the 2 bottles. Smile

Just curious - are you using any other products for your hyperpigmentation and red marks? The user who posted the positive review (or at least the big review) I saw on the skininteractives site was also using other products, so it's hard to know if her results are truly attributed to this product.

Looking forward to your review!

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:18 am      Reply with quote
Coconut et al,

I have suffered from dermal melasma (i.e. hyperpigmentation) for years and years, and spent thousands of dollars on products to no avail until I started reading from forums.

The single most effective fading product for me is a strong L-Ascorbic Acid solution applied daily on the spots i.e. at least 15% concentration. Hyperpigmentation I have had for years on my face and arms and legs are fading - this is very cheap if you make it yourself.

2% hydroquinone products also worked, but they are apparently not for long term use, and my dermal melasma is a long term project, so I have stopped using those.

But neither of these ingredients will make the spots disappear - just fade them.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:22 am      Reply with quote
I am using the daisy serum right now and have for a couple weeks. I like it a lot. But from what I have gathered from the GoW board is that the daisy serum will offer an overall brightening effect but will most likely not lighten freckles or melasma. The Majick C serum is recommended for spot treating.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:26 am      Reply with quote
Thanks, nyonyakay and skincareaddicted! I just made my usual batch of 10% but I'm going to make up a second stronger batch and try it on my brown spots. Wish me luck!

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:32 am      Reply with quote
montrealgirl--

do keep us updated on how you are doing. I recently purchased the majick C from GoW to spot treat 3 freckles that i have, i will update also.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:47 am      Reply with quote
Ok, Kristen, I will.

I have some big brown spots, so they may be harder to treat than freckles, but here's hoping. I'll keep my fingers crossed for both of us!

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:15 am      Reply with quote
I have been using a serum I made myself with glucosamine and niacinamide (bought from bulk actives). This is working to gradually lighten my age spots and is evening my skin tone in general. Niacinamide is one of the ingredients in Olays total effects, but according to some research it is the combination of the two ingredients that works to inhibit melanin. Good luck.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:33 am      Reply with quote
luckylouie,

what is the concentration of glucosamine and niacinamide in your potions?
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:48 am      Reply with quote
That's interesting, luckylouie. I'll keep that in mind.

Let's everyone post our progress and compare notes!

Good luck everyone!

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I had post inflammatory pigmentation from a 70% glycolic acid 9 years ago. It does fade with time. The doctor should have warned you about the importance of wearing sunscreen before you started your accutane.

But I hope you're using SPF 30+ diligently now. Melanin production is triggered by UV rays and it's really a protective mechanism of the skin cells in order to protect the cell nucleus (and so doing the DNA). Besides it won't matter what treatment you do to your skin if you don't cut the cause of the pigmentation.

You've also mentioned that the treatments you've tried makes your skin sensitive and irritates it. Your skin will be sensitive for at least 2 years post accutane. I went on accutane and I found that my skin sensivity lasted me several years- but this is all individual. Accutane does thin the skin and most doctors will tell you that it's only temporary but for me it took several years before I felt that my skin could withstand a scrub.

Because your skin is sensitive it may be worthwhile to start out with gentler options. There are studies done that shows arbutin extract from bilberries at 5% have just as good effect as a 2% hydroquinone. You can check out www.dermatologytimes.com and they have archived articles on hyperpigmentation and treatment methods. You can check out licorice extracts, mulberry and bilberry. Kojic acid is also a lightener but there's been some controversy over this and the hydroquinone. BEst thing to do is to look at the ingredients that prominent brands in Asia are using. Whiteners and brighteners are quite a huge category in Asia particularly during Autumn when cosmetic companies aim at women who want to undo the "damage" done over the summer.

It may be worthwhile to consult a cosmetic dermatologist as well. OTC isn't going to show a noticeable difference in your skin. Just let them know that your hyperpigmentation resulted from an inflammation. At least then they will cut out invasive methods like laser because you'll all know from past history that your skin doesn't have a good healing response.

So far the products I've tried didn't really work when I had hyperpigmentation- at least nothing dramatic. I've tried Neostrata, DDF, Peter Thomas Roth, MD Formulations, MD Forte, Cellex C, Skinceuticals, Glymed, PCA, Glyderm, MD Skin Care, AND, Cosmedix and etc., etc... some worked better than others but none of them really made a huge difference. I really think avoiding the sun, time and maybe using one of these topical preparation do improve the condition.
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I had a brain lapse earlier. I didn't mean that the GoW majick C was the lightening serum recommended for spot treating, i meant the lite and bright serum. The magick C is a C serum. sorry for the mistake everyone!

Anyhow the GoW light n' brite serum has kojic, arbutin as lighteners that Liza mentions. I have tried alpha arbutin powder from DHC which didn't have any effects really for me. I am hoping the lite n' brite serum mix will do the trick. There is also a trial size available but here is the info from the GoW page:


Quote:
GoW Light n' Brite Serum

A new, exculsive serum from GoW!! We have had
tons of positive reviews coming back about this
cream! We are proud to bring this aboard
to our line of finished products.

Ingredients:

distilled water
seamollient
grain alcohol
wildberry extract
L-alpha arbutin
kojic acid
hyaluronic acid


http://www.gardenofwisdom.com/catalog/item/4013927/3784268.htm

so much good information popping up on this thread, thank you everyone!

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:58 am      Reply with quote
I have used the lite n'brite serum, I liked it but b/c of the alcohol I had to stop. It was too drying. THe same goes for their majic C serum, I think that one has alcohol too. I am using the C serum from Candessence and really like this one. I am hoping for an overall lightening/brightening from the daisy serum, and hopefully to erase the old pimple marks I am not sure if it can do that?
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Hi amylola,

I think the daisy should have a lightening effect overall even on old scars, but it might not have the lightening power of the lite n' brite which i have heard targets dark spots more effectively.

the alcohol but from what I understand makes actives more bioavailable to your skin, which i think means more readily absorbed. since my skin can handle it, i hope i will like the majick c.

perhaps Markey can make an alcohol free version for you? she is such a dear and i am sure she would do so if it's ok for the formulation.

my understanding from what i have read is that vitamin c should not be mixed with plant based materials. that is my worry about candy's serum since it is aloe based. I notice Markey's version also has plant products, so I am really wondering about this. I know Markey has another C serum she hasn't listed yet on her site and that one might be plant free.

my skin is actually pretty happy with skinceuticals c + e ferulic serum so i might just stick with that.

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LizaA wrote:
I had post inflammatory pigmentation from a 70% glycolic acid 9 years ago. It does fade with time. The doctor should have warned you about the importance of wearing sunscreen before you started your accutane.

But I hope you're using SPF 30+ diligently now. Melanin production is triggered by UV rays and it's really a protective mechanism of the skin cells in order to protect the cell nucleus (and so doing the DNA). Besides it won't matter what treatment you do to your skin if you don't cut the cause of the pigmentation.

You've also mentioned that the treatments you've tried makes your skin sensitive and irritates it. Your skin will be sensitive for at least 2 years post accutane. I went on accutane and I found that my skin sensivity lasted me several years- but this is all individual. Accutane does thin the skin and most doctors will tell you that it's only temporary but for me it took several years before I felt that my skin could withstand a scrub.

Because your skin is sensitive it may be worthwhile to start out with gentler options. There are studies done that shows arbutin extract from bilberries at 5% have just as good effect as a 2% hydroquinone. You can check out www.dermatologytimes.com and they have archived articles on hyperpigmentation and treatment methods. You can check out licorice extracts, mulberry and bilberry. Kojic acid is also a lightener but there's been some controversy over this and the hydroquinone. BEst thing to do is to look at the ingredients that prominent brands in Asia are using. Whiteners and brighteners are quite a huge category in Asia particularly during Autumn when cosmetic companies aim at women who want to undo the "damage" done over the summer.

It may be worthwhile to consult a cosmetic dermatologist as well. OTC isn't going to show a noticeable difference in your skin. Just let them know that your hyperpigmentation resulted from an inflammation. At least then they will cut out invasive methods like laser because you'll all know from past history that your skin doesn't have a good healing response.

So far the products I've tried didn't really work when I had hyperpigmentation- at least nothing dramatic. I've tried Neostrata, DDF, Peter Thomas Roth, MD Formulations, MD Forte, Cellex C, Skinceuticals, Glymed, PCA, Glyderm, MD Skin Care, AND, Cosmedix and etc., etc... some worked better than others but none of them really made a huge difference. I really think avoiding the sun, time and maybe using one of these topical preparation do improve the condition.


Liza
You are absolutely right- I had laser and I omitted to use the spf60 I bought at the doctor's office (duh....) the IS Super Serum after one week of use - has made a big difference already - maybe I'm getting too antsy and want results now- but I would say that in 1 weeks- I can see 60% improvement if not more!
I'll be patient, however I did notice a new line Donnell Super Skin here on EDS- these products are specifically aimed at hyperpigmentation post treatment.....I'm tempted to try!!!
Thanks for your great post Liza!!
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Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:46 am      Reply with quote
I know how you feel coconut. I am also getting fed up with it. That and my bumpy skin texture. I have hyperpigmentation, and I can't get rid of it either. I have used obagis lightener before with the 4 percent hydro however you spell it, and it erased ALL of my freckles,(back then I didn't have any pigmentation issues) actually it looked weird without them, but a few came back after I quit it. My biggest concern is my right side. That shows up more than my left cheek. I drive on the right side of the car when I work and my face is always sticking out the window, so I suspect thats why. I have been using clarins spf 40 but only recently because I kept fogetting. I actually just leave it in the car now. I am going to keep watching this thread to see how well the daisy serum works.
Good luck coconut.
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Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:32 pm      Reply with quote
Hi,

I've been using Glytone's clarifying gel at night and the cream with sunscreen during the day. So far I've probably lightened three shades, or at least that's how many times I've had to change my concealer.

Can the White Daisy be used for all-over facial lightening, or is it just for spot treatment?

Thanks,

T
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tooinvolved - how long did you use the glytone products before you got results, and how long total have you used the products?
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