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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:39 am |
marina wrote: |
One the one hand, if I don't like it, I can use it as a cooking oil One the other, I can't get past using a cooking oil on my face!! |
So true. I still can't get past using liquid sea kelp fertilizers on my face |
_________________ Simple but No Simplier...Approaching late 20s, Normal/Combination Skin, Rarely Breakout now but have some old acne marks, sunspots, & broken caps |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:18 pm |
Wild Cat wrote: |
marina wrote: |
One the one hand, if I don't like it, I can use it as a cooking oil One the other, I can't get past using a cooking oil on my face!! |
So true. I still can't get past using liquid sea kelp fertilizers on my face |
Do you mean SKB?
If you do, you absolutely must try it.
I thought my skin looked good before 9I was using squalene and it improved my dryness issues very much). The SKB makes my skin look really fabulous (even if I say so myself ). I also used it in my shampoo yesterday and my hair feels softer and smoother.
It is the best product I have ever tried. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:16 pm |
Emma2006 wrote: |
Do you mean SKB?
If you do, you absolutely must try it.
I thought my skin looked good before 9I was using squalene and it improved my dryness issues very much). The SKB makes my skin look really fabulous (even if I say so myself ). I also used it in my shampoo yesterday and my hair feels softer and smoother.
It is the best product I have ever tried. |
Where do you get the SKB??? |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:43 pm |
Wild Cat wrote: |
So I guess there would be no use to add some chemical absorption enhancers with macademia oil and emu oil? Since it already can penetrate actives deeper to the skin... |
There are oil-soluble actives, and then there are water-soluble actives. In the same emulsion (potion), for enhanced penetration and delivery of actives, use a deep-penetrating oil to carry the oil-soluble actives deeper. It certainly doesn't hurt either to add a deep-penetrating aqueous solvent for the water-soluble actives. This way you get the benefit of a double whammy! |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:26 pm |
Emma2006 wrote: |
Wild Cat wrote: |
marina wrote: |
One the one hand, if I don't like it, I can use it as a cooking oil One the other, I can't get past using a cooking oil on my face!! |
So true. I still can't get past using liquid sea kelp fertilizers on my face |
Do you mean SKB?
If you do, you absolutely must try it.
I thought my skin looked good before 9I was using squalene and it improved my dryness issues very much). The SKB makes my skin look really fabulous (even if I say so myself ). I also used it in my shampoo yesterday and my hair feels softer and smoother.
It is the best product I have ever tried. |
Actually I didn't mean SKBio because I did order it and still waiting for it to arrive. I meant GOW's Jim's Sea Kelp which is from Canada's KelpMan. They are the same things but KelpMan sell it as fertilizers. I looked into other sources because SKBio is pretty expensive compare to liquid kelp. |
_________________ Simple but No Simplier...Approaching late 20s, Normal/Combination Skin, Rarely Breakout now but have some old acne marks, sunspots, & broken caps |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:31 pm |
nyonyakay wrote: |
Wild Cat wrote: |
So I guess there would be no use to add some chemical absorption enhancers with macademia oil and emu oil? Since it already can penetrate actives deeper to the skin... |
There are oil-soluble actives, and then there are water-soluble actives. In the same emulsion (potion), for enhanced penetration and delivery of actives, use a deep-penetrating oil to carry the oil-soluble actives deeper. It certainly doesn't hurt either to add a deep-penetrating aqueous solvent for the water-soluble actives. This way you get the benefit of a double whammy! |
Thanks nyonyakay,
I am learning so much from you everyday!
I am sorry to be a pain in the a** but can you give me some common examples for oil-soluble actives?
I think when I finally collected everything to make my own magic potion, I will have to post my plan on the forum so that you can help prevent a total disaster |
_________________ Simple but No Simplier...Approaching late 20s, Normal/Combination Skin, Rarely Breakout now but have some old acne marks, sunspots, & broken caps |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:39 pm |
Wild Cat wrote: |
Actually I didn't mean SKBio because I did order it and still waiting for it to arrive. I meant GOW's Jim's Sea Kelp which is from Canada's KelpMan. They are the same things but KelpMan sell it as fertilizers. I looked into other sources because SKBio is pretty expensive compare to liquid kelp. |
I have just learnt it may not be the same thing. An intrepid member of another skincare forum has sent Hannah's Seakelp Bioferment to a lab for analysis, and the assay indicates that there's other stuff in it. That could account for why the Canadian seakelp is so dark and smelly - it is "pure" seakelp, whereas the SKBioferment apparently has significant non-kelp components in it. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:21 pm |
nyonyakay wrote: |
Wild Cat wrote: |
Actually I didn't mean SKBio because I did order it and still waiting for it to arrive. I meant GOW's Jim's Sea Kelp which is from Canada's KelpMan. They are the same things but KelpMan sell it as fertilizers. I looked into other sources because SKBio is pretty expensive compare to liquid kelp. |
I have just learnt it may not be the same thing. An intrepid member of another skincare forum has sent Hannah's Seakelp Bioferment to a lab for analysis, and the assay indicates that there's other stuff in it. That could account for why the Canadian seakelp is so dark and smelly - it is "pure" seakelp, whereas the SKBioferment apparently has significant non-kelp components in it. |
nyonyakay,
I would be very interested to learn what is the term "bioferment"? The forum member who recommended KelpMan said she saw no difference in her skin and hair from switching to liquid kelp from SKbio...I think...I would love to know what significant non-kelp components SKBio has |
_________________ Simple but No Simplier...Approaching late 20s, Normal/Combination Skin, Rarely Breakout now but have some old acne marks, sunspots, & broken caps |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:30 pm |
Wild Cat wrote: |
The forum member who recommended KelpMan said she saw no difference in her skin and hair from switching to liquid kelp from SKbio...I think...I would love to know what significant non-kelp components SKBio has |
Two observations about that:
1) everyone's skin and hair are almost unique, so on his/her skin there may genuinely be no difference. Kelpman was so smelly I had to make a cleanser out of it, with various other stuff and EOs added -it is my nicest cleanser yet - the EOs took the fishy swampy smell out and my skin feels silky and velvety at the sametime after each wash. Right now, its use for me is limited to wash off products only.
2) there is seriously bad blood between those two boards, so whenever there are unfavourable comparisons between other products and Skin Actives products, or they are just generally slagging out Skin Actives products, it would not be unreasonable to wonder about emotional biases. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:55 pm |
nyonyakay wrote: |
Wild Cat wrote: |
The forum member who recommended KelpMan said she saw no difference in her skin and hair from switching to liquid kelp from SKbio...I think...I would love to know what significant non-kelp components SKBio has |
Two observations about that:
1) everyone's skin and hair are almost unique, so on his/her skin there may genuinely be no difference. Kelpman was so smelly I had to make a cleanser out of it, with various other stuff and EOs added -it is my nicest cleanser yet - the EOs took the fishy swampy smell out and my skin feels silky and velvety at the sametime after each wash. Right now, its use for me is limited to wash off products only.
2) there is seriously bad blood between those two boards, so whenever there are unfavourable comparisons between other products and Skin Actives products, or they are just generally slagging out Skin Actives products, it would not be unreasonable to wonder about emotional biases. |
Thanks nyonyakay,
I know everyone's skin and hair is different. I am just always a curious cat and like to ask many questions The thing is, that other forum member assured me about there is absolutely no smell at all. Smell is a big thing for me too that's why I asked her specifically if there is any smell. I don't want to be a sucker and order a bunch of liquid kelp that smells but I do feel that other forum member is sincere and I have no reason to distrust her because she has been on the forum for a while and I feel like I know her by reputation. I just would like some confirmation that SKBio really justify the price |
_________________ Simple but No Simplier...Approaching late 20s, Normal/Combination Skin, Rarely Breakout now but have some old acne marks, sunspots, & broken caps |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:07 pm |
WildCat, I think the liquid kelp is under $6.00 for 4 oz or thereabouts from Garden of Wisdom. Cheap enough to play with? And you know you can always trust your own nose!
If not, your plants will love you for it. It won't go to waste.
P.S. I think as a precaution you should keep it in the fridge. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:22 pm |
nyonyakay wrote: |
The New York Society of Cosmetic Chemists posted this article entitled "Skin Lipids, the Lipid Barrier and Barrier Repairing Ingredients" : http://www.nyscc.org/news/archive/tech0102.htm
Basically, it says that surrounding every skin cell in the upper most layer of the skin is a layer of fat-like substances, which is called the lipid barrier, which is a water-loss barrier.
The simple act of washing your face or showering can remove much of this protective barrier from your skin.
The components of that barrier are as follows:
Polar Lipids
Cholesteryl Sulfate (like cholesterol esters sometimes used in skincare)
Neutral Lipids
Free Sterols (like plant phytosterols sometimes used in skincare)
Free Fatty Acids (lots of the natural carrier oils we use contain fatty acids)
Triglycerides (like Caprylic/ Capric Triglyceride sometimes used in skincare)
Sterol/wax esters (like jojoba oil)
Squalane (like olive squalane)
n-Alkanes
Sphingolipids (like lecithin)
Glucosylceramides
Ceramides (I think everyone has heard of this)
The article goes on to say, "Topically applying the correct lipids will assist in maintaining the structure of the lipid barrier and improving the health and beauty of the skin."
Does your moisturiser contain any of the above emollients? |
Since I'm a child of excess, is there any way to make some super DIY moisturizer that contains a lot of these? OR would that just be over kill -OR- Am I totally missing the point and something such as macadamia oil has mostly everything you need?
I have been using Custom Dermaceuticals Lipid Recovery Serum (LRS) off and on for quite some time. I've never really decided whether I like it or not. However, I'm head over heals for their Anhydrous Cleanser which isn't supposed to strip the skin.
I'll have to post the LRS ingredients later...right now I need to get back to studying |
_________________ 28 Fair skin, brown hair, blue eyes & acne prone combo skin |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:55 pm |
yogi wrote: |
Where do you get the SKB??? |
Skin Actives. |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:20 pm |
Lipid Recovery Serum:
Isododecane, Phenyl Trimethicone, Isostearyl Palmitate, Dimethicone, Peroxidized Corn Extract, Tocopheryl Lineolate, (Vit. E), Soybean Extract and Sphingolipids.
...this is the first time I checked the ingredients since joining EDS and I'm guessing the -cones might be why I never fell in love with this stuff (suspected it was causing clogged pores). |
_________________ 28 Fair skin, brown hair, blue eyes & acne prone combo skin |
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:30 pm |
Sundew wrote: |
Lipid Recovery Serum:
Isododecane, Phenyl Trimethicone, Isostearyl Palmitate, Dimethicone, Peroxidized Corn Extract, Tocopheryl Lineolate, (Vit. E), Soybean Extract and Sphingolipids.
...this is the first time I checked the ingredients since joining EDS and I'm guessing the -cones might be why I never fell in love with this stuff (suspected it was causing clogged pores). |
More likely the "isododecane"; it is a paraffin derivative, and it has the highest concentration in the mix. Silicon derivatives actually give a light silky feel. |
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