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Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:24 am

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About Elastica(TM)

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The skin will generate it's own fibroplasts as part of the wound healing cascade from the rolling.

I would personally stick with what the experts recommend....Vit A and oil soluble Vit C - this will fuel both the generation of fibroplasts and collagen.

Keep in mind that these doctors have probably tested lots of stuff, and this is what they use on their patients to get the best results. I decide to give up the CPs after rolling...Fernandes doesn't use them, and he is the expert...so I chunked them![/quote]

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Yeah, I guess I'll stick with what the experts do. Do you or does anyone know if it matters so much what form of vitamin A one uses throughout the rolling process and/or what strength? I HATE retinols-all of them. They really irritate my skin so badly. I know derms say that it goes away after a few months, but a few months of flaking, redness irritation, flaming red broken caps is just not tolerable for me. However, I've noticed that the vitamin E cream I use has a small amount of some form of Vitamin A, and it doesn't irritate my skin. I'm wondering (hoping) if that's at all beneficial or better than not using any Vitamin A?

free skin care · Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:04 pm

Tigerlilly wrote:

Yeah, I guess I'll stick with what the experts do. Do you or does anyone know if it matters so much what form of vitamin A one uses throughout the rolling process and/or what strength? I HATE retinols-all of them. They really irritate my skin so badly. I know derms say that it goes away after a few months, but a few months of flaking, redness irritation, flaming red broken caps is just not tolerable for me. However, I've noticed that the vitamin E cream I use has a small amount of some form of Vitamin A, and it doesn't irritate my skin. I'm wondering (hoping) if that's at all beneficial or better than not using any Vitamin A?

High levels of Vit A are required to create collagen and fibroplasts...that's why they recommend that you pre-treat any area to be rolled with Vit A for weeks/months prior to the roll.

If you are getting red/flaky, etc. then stop using the product so frequently...I typically use Retin 1-2x a week, and just now bumped up to 3x.

Even retinol versions cause me to get irritated...I can only use those every other day at most.

free skin care · Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:30 pm

Just thought I would throw in here, that although I have been an avid user of Retin A in the past, I have not used it since I started rolling 6 mths ago. My results are still fantastic and I have definitely seen collagen growth. I do use matrixyl and Vit C though.

I tend to be one of the people who trys to "feel" what is the right thing for their skin and Retin A suddenly didn't "feel" right anymore!!!!!!

rebecca

free skin care · Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:58 pm

Sounds wonderful Rebecca !!!
Now,do you roll and then apply the VitC and Matrixyl or wait?
And what roller are you using .25,1.0,etc ?
thanks for your info Smile

Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:42 pm

Hi all,

Been a while and was catching up on what is happening and all the great advice from you all.

I'm not sure who said that emu oil is a pusher, but does anyone know if rosehip oil is also a pusher.

Your replies will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
OzGal Smile

free skin care · Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:03 pm

Rebecca what vitamin c product do you use? I've only been using retin a .05% about 20 minutes after a roll. Sounds like I should get a vit c too. Would I use them straight after each other or one before and one after the roll? Any ideas?

free skin care · Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:27 pm

Skin care addict....I used to dilute my Vit C with a little HA and use that directly after a roll....now I use Matrixyl. I then use them alternating nights and use my Remergent DNA Repair in the AM.

All this talk about Retin a has got me thinking I might trial some again perhaps on my forehead, where I get minimal irritation....

Michey...I use skin doctors Vit C now, but in the past was making my own...might go back to that I reckon....There is reason to not apply Retin A and Vit C together (but I can't remember what it is??) you need to space them out.

rebecca

free skin care · Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:04 am

There is reason to not apply Retin A and Vit C together (but I can't remember what it is??) you need to space them out.

rebecca[/quote]

Really? I know you need to space out vit c and cp's, don't recall anything about retin a though.

free skin care · Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:30 am

Mishey wrote:

There is reason to not apply Retin A and Vit C together (but I can't remember what it is??) you need to space them out.

rebecca

Really? I know you need to space out vit c and cp's, don't recall anything about retin a though.[/quote]

I know you have to space out Retinols and AHAs, but I haven't heard anything about Vit C either.

free skin care · Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:44 am

There is no reason not to use A and C together. These 2 ingredients are combined in a lot of products!

free skin care · Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:26 pm

rileygirl wrote:

There is no reason not to use A and C together. These 2 ingredients are combined in a lot of products!

The old skin care board (YTF sensational skin) was on, it was kind of a mantra to seperate your A and C. A at night C in the morning, or at least wait an hour. When I have time, I will see if I can find out why.

rebecca

free skin care · Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:30 pm

I have just spent a few days reading this ENTIRE thread! So nice there are so many of you that will contribute to this and make it so educational.

I am very intrigued by these rollers and may be interested in joining the ranks.

If I can offer any insite to a couple of recent posts - let me provide a little of my (slight) knowledge.

Re: Retin A and Vit C applied separately. It is the Vit C and Copper Peptides that need to be applied on opposite ends of the day. The copper will inactivate the Vit C. Retin A and Vit C (L-absorbic) are both acids and may cause irritation if applied at the same time (layered). A wait might be better here IMO. I'm not sure, so someone else might add to this.

Ozgal - Emu Oil is a pusher of products if you apply it after them. The lipids in Emu Oil are readily accepted by human skin and will sink in right away, so it will help other products go deeper. I'm not sure if RoseHip is as readily accepted like emu, tho.

As far as being on the fence about the rollers. I've suffered from adult acne for a long time and only used acne products, but just in the last few years have I started to use anything for aging. I've used a retinoid on and off for at least 15 years, plus benzoyl peroxide products (which I believe caused more harm than good - another topic sometime). Last year I started using a BHA w/ my Tazorac and saw some clearing of my skin. This year I started using CPs. I've seen such great improvements w/ the CPs (on them for 4 mos now) in elimination of clogged pores, shrinking of larger pores, tightening of skin (esp eyes) and improved textures.

Now, after reading this thread, I think that adding the roller to my current routine will really spike things up! I would like to see more tightening of my skin (jowls were getting better w/ CPs, but could still improve)and get those eyelids better yet. The CPs and the Roller might just be the ticket for me.

Phew! And I had once considered peels or lazers (and even a facelift!) Yikes! So glad I didnt' go there.

free skin care · Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:47 pm

foxe wrote:

I have just spent a few days reading this ENTIRE thread! So nice there are so many of you that will contribute to this and make it so educational.

I am very intrigued by these rollers and may be interested in joining the ranks.

Hi Foxe - Kudos to you for taking the time to read the whole thing!!

I know you are probably pretty overwhelmed, but you might want to also read the first couple of Dermarolling Articles on this thread:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860

And here is the link to the Discounted Dermarollers for EDS members thread:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:58 am

Ok ladies, I really need some help.

While I have had really good result with the DR on my face and hands, I have had less good results on my chest. I would now really like to target my chest and back where I have moderate/severe pigmentation, left over from sundamage that has been somewhat treated by IPL

I have already rolled my chest many times and my back twice. Where I think I have fallen down is my lack of topicals...b/c these are big areas I am treating, I need a cost effective topical to speed up pigmentation removal. I am thinking of making my own Vit C serum which I have done before. I am wondering specifically if there is significant benefit to be gained from making a anhydrous vit C combination or would it do to just use ascorbic acid as irritation does not seem to be an issue. Would a combination of the c's possibily yeild a better result on body areas?

Please help, I've managed to get myself very confused!!!!

rebecca

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:18 am

bethany wrote:

foxe wrote:

I have just spent a few days reading this ENTIRE thread! So nice there are so many of you that will contribute to this and make it so educational.

I am very intrigued by these rollers and may be interested in joining the ranks.

Hi Foxe - Kudos to you for taking the time to read the whole thing!!

I know you are probably pretty overwhelmed, but you might want to also read the first couple of Dermarolling Articles on this thread:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860

And here is the link to the Discounted Dermarollers for EDS members thread:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860

Hi Bethany - thanks for the links. You've been absolutely wonderful w/ all the info you provide here. If that first link you have is anything all all like this one in length - I don't know if I'll get around to reading it.

I already checked out the discouted dermaroller link and see that a lot of you buy from backstrecords. I might get the 1.5mm from him. But how do I get a smaller one - say a .15 or .25?

In addition to the things I mentioned above, I do have some upper lip lines I want to target and it sounds like the 1.5mm will work there. I have been using L2K for over a year and saw some improvement w/ the lines. I also some more improvement w/ the CPs, but I think the roller will really knock 'em down for me.

I actually experimented w/ a needle on a couple of the lines (after reading about the roller on Skin Bio) and one of them is disappearing! I only did the subcision once and continued applying CPs on a daily basis and the wrinkle has filled in - in less than 3 weeks. It is flat! I can see a faint redness, but it is definitely flat. The other wrinkle looks better, but I didn't 'hit it' as hard w/ the needle as compared to the other wrinkle. (Go as deep) Come on now, it does hurt! But, whoohoo! I believe the roller will get rid of these lines for me, so now I need to do some shopping.

Can you tell me about the smaller rollers - where to get them? I'll get the 1.5 from ebay.

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:14 am

foxe wrote:

I already checked out the discouted dermaroller link and see that a lot of you buy from backstrecords. I might get the 1.5mm from him. But how do I get a smaller one - say a .15 or .25?

Can you tell me about the smaller rollers - where to get them? I'll get the 1.5 from ebay.

Foxe, Backstrecords' (Jack) prices are lower than ebay if you buy from him directly and use your EDS discount. He will also combine shipping for you.

We're not allowed to post the price of the .25mm online because it is cheaper that the manufacturer likes to see posted. I'll PM you with the price.

BTW, .15mm Dr. Rollers are only available through Leaf & Rusher for $118. However, EDS does sell them and you can apply your forum discount.

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:14 am

foxe, please keep us posted on your lip lines. I, too, used L2K with great results, but that really did not do too much for my vertical lip lines. I am hoping to at least improve them with the roller. So, I am very interested in your process! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:30 am

snowqueen67 wrote:

I need a cost effective topical to speed up pigmentation removal. I am thinking of making my own Vit C serum which I have done before. I am wondering specifically if there is significant benefit to be gained from making a anhydrous vit C combination or would it do to just use ascorbic acid as irritation does not seem to be an issue. Would a combination of the c's possibily yeild a better result on body areas?

rebecca

If ascorbic acid is the cheapest, I would go with that, but not apply for 24 hours after a roll.

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:19 pm

bethany wrote:

snowqueen67 wrote:

I need a cost effective topical to speed up pigmentation removal. I am thinking of making my own Vit C serum which I have done before. I am wondering specifically if there is significant benefit to be gained from making a anhydrous vit C combination or would it do to just use ascorbic acid as irritation does not seem to be an issue. Would a combination of the c's possibily yeild a better result on body areas?

rebecca

If ascorbic acid is the cheapest, I would go with that, but not apply for 24 hours after a roll.

Thanks Bethany!

It is by far the cheapest...so I was thinking the same thing.....why wait 24 hours though? Irritation?

rebecca

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:13 pm

snowqueen67 wrote:

bethany wrote:

snowqueen67 wrote:

I need a cost effective topical to speed up pigmentation removal. I am thinking of making my own Vit C serum which I have done before. I am wondering specifically if there is significant benefit to be gained from making a anhydrous vit C combination or would it do to just use ascorbic acid as irritation does not seem to be an issue. Would a combination of the c's possibily yeild a better result on body areas?

rebecca

If ascorbic acid is the cheapest, I would go with that, but not apply for 24 hours after a roll.

Thanks Bethany!

It is by far the cheapest...so I was thinking the same thing.....why wait 24 hours though? Irritation?

rebecca

I was just thinking from an irritation standpoint, as well as Fernandes' methodology.

We know that Fernandes specifically says NO ascorbic acid, we don't know if that is due soley to stinging, or due to other reasons.

However, there are a number of studies where they talk about using 10% Vit C in the form of ascorbic acid to assist with granulation of new skin during large wounds, etc. so it looks like it can't be that bad!

free skin care · Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:28 pm

Thanks bethany,

I'm glad to have someone who can make sense of some of this stuff better than me.

I actually think I will apply it straight after rolls though........

rebecca

free skin care · Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:55 pm

Can anyone who has used more than 2 brands of rollers comment on their quality. I'm about to make my third purchase and I'd like to hear about different construction particularly on how the ends are fastened and how many rolls you got before the needles got bent.
Thanks.
PS I know the info is likely mostly here but the poat is so long I can't find it.

free skin care · Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:21 pm

Hi sharky - I just finished reading this whole thread and someone mentioned the Dr. Roller was better of 2 they had tried. That's the one I want to go with (haven't bought mine yet)

free skin care · Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:21 pm

Has anyone had success eliminating (or diminishing) the N/L folds?

free skin care · Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:54 pm

foxe wrote:

Has anyone had success eliminating (or diminishing) the N/L folds?

Yes! I really only have a crease on one side (for some reason!!!???) and have rolled that aggressively. It is not gone, but it is softened to the point that mostly I cannot see it. I really believe I'll be able to get rid of it (and then my sides will match!!!).

rebecca

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