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Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:31 pm      Reply with quote
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I posted this question somewhere else - wondering if anyone here knows for sure.

I live in the US and am visiting england next month. I would love to buy emla cream cheap and bring it home.

Is it found in the boots store (ive seen them before) - or do I have to go to the pharmacy?

Also is this even legal to do??

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Hi mb935, yes you can buy it in any pharmacy in the UK boots is one of them but there are many others its quite cheap around £3.00 a tube I don't know how easy it is to just take back to the USA though you may want to check with customs at your end. Someone mentioned that they have short expire dates and to buy smaller tubes but more of them but I havent looked into that yet just thought I mention it so you get the most out of it if you buy the emla. Have a nice trip to the UK. Elle
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okay.... i'm rolling for stretch marks (for those of you that don't know)... some ppl are saying to draw blood (on this tread anyway) and on different websites it is mentioned not to draw blood. i'm willing to do what it takes but there are inconsistenices involving the pressure. I would like to hear from the ppl it has actually help

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I am going to start using a .3 daily for product penetration and a 1.5 for stretch marks + fine lines/acne scars on forehead. Does anyone know if I have Restylane/Botox injections can I still use the Dermaroller or will it make my fillers come out?
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Ella's Mommy wrote:
okay.... i'm rolling for stretch marks (for those of you that don't know)... some ppl are saying to draw blood (on this tread anyway) and on different websites it is mentioned not to draw blood. i'm willing to do what it takes but there are inconsistenices involving the pressure. I would like to hear from the ppl it has actually help


Ella, have you read the articles in the CIT/dermarolling thread? Have you seen the before & after photos that get people excited about rolling? Those dramatic results were obtained using agressive treatments that involved a lot of blood.

The people who have had long-term success with rolling are doing intense, agressive rolls, no more than every 3 to 4 weeks (and most are waiting 6 or more!).

There are people here using long needles and rolling daily, but they have only been rolling for a few months or less. What APPEARS to be good results is almost definitely chronic inflammation, which is NOT actually an improvement, and will in fact do harm over time. Research and LONG TERM experience (meaning, 6 months or more) shows this to be true, over and over and over.

If you absolutely insist on rolling daily, your best bet is to buy a .25mm or .50mm, and have at it. Most people get minimal inflammation from this, and you will thicken the epidermis. That will help a lot all by itself, to reduce the appearance of scars or stretchmarks.
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Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:30 pm      Reply with quote
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on different websites it is mentioned not to draw blood. i'm willing to do what it takes but there are inconsistenices involving the pressure.


Don't rely on websites or anecdotal evidence... read the research, and see the photos here:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860

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Ella's Mommy, and anyone else who's wondering about frequency and intensity of treatments, I went back through some of those articles to put together a more definitive idea of what the research suggests.....

To get results like these:

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The inventing docs were doing this:

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Intense treatments were done several weeks/months apart to get the dramatic results shown above. Sometimes satisfactory results were obtained with just 2 treatments, after which they could be maintained by rolling every 6 months.

All of the other (mostly conflicting) advice floating around is from manufacturers' websites, and the routines they suggest (frequent but low-intensity rolling) have not shown long-term results or any success in stimulating collagen.

I hope this helps those who are trying to roll responsibly but are confused by conflicting information.
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The last few posts are very interesting and clearly shows an extreme approach that was undertaken by a "specialist" a professional, in a sterile environment with the experience to needle deeply enough to draw blood as shown in some photographs. I can't imagine home users would be able to cope with that level of after care required if you encountered a complication during the home treatment, what if you didn't know you had a keloid healing reaction to the procedure.

We are home users and I think if we want an invasive surgical treatment we should seek the advice from a professional.

This paper summarises how the process works:

http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf

If you notice in the paper, the actual needling process refers to a "clinician" undertaking the procedure.

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Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:37 am      Reply with quote
Er, the pics are 'bloody' scary...
Maybe I should think more about this.
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Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:00 am      Reply with quote
Elle2009 wrote:
Kay2008 wrote:
Hi, I have just been having a browse though the derma-rollers(dot)com website. I found the "My Derma Roller Diary" (stretch marks) ... I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this? is it another one of them "fake" pics/stories. I see so many people posting links to treatments on other forums, but people always come back and say "well they are using the exact same "before and after" photos on another website". Basically, websites stealing other peoples photos... and it's all a load of lies - giving people false hope over their treatment they are supplying.

Looking at the "day 1" and "week 1" photos, there is a major difference, mainly in depth... if I could achieve that with my marks by using a 1.5mm roller I would be OVER THE MOON!

PS: I cannot enter the actualy link to the diary because it wont allow me to post links.


Hi Kay, I think you mean the Scientia website, I am also in the UK and this is a UK based company. I got my dermaroller there as it was £49 and it is the Dr. Roller brand.

I also called them and spoke to a chap called Chris who was very informative and helpful. I asked him if the pictures where true and he said they were and he knows the girl in the pic and that the stretchmarks were kinda gone but when you pull on the stomach you could see lines but no stretchmarks if that makes sense.

I wish you good luck with your treatment.

Elle


Hi Elle,

Yes that's the one! Oh good, so now at least I know there is a place in the UK selling these.

That sounds great. Although when reading the diary, I think it said she did a roll daily for 4 weeks. I have just been reading the last few posts on here and see that their is a lot of conflicting information on how often to roll, and how hard to roll! So if rolling daily only gives you "superficial" results and could cause problems later on... I'm not really sure what to do now!
When I first found out about derma rolling for stretch marks, I read that you should do one treatment every 4 - 6 weeks. Where as the girl in the before and after pictures did it daily.

Of course, my main priority is not to do it wrong and cause more damage than good! But it's all a bit confusing if I am to be honest.

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PQ: you mentioned paying £55 for your roller, can I ask where you bought yours from?
I do believe the Nova rollers would now work out at about £80! I think I paid around £50 for it last year (stupid exchange rate!).


Quote from sale page on this web site.
1 Derma Roller (Lasts approximately 3 months each) @ Sale Price £55 (GBP) RRP £79.99

(I had to remove link as it wouldn't let me post them yet)

PQ.


Thank you PQ!

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Kay2008 wrote:
I do believe the Nova rollers would now work out at about £80! I think I paid around £50 for it last year (stupid exchange rate!).


There's a thread devoted to discount dermaroller suppliers: (I had to remove link as it wont let me post them yet)

Jack, listed on the first page, and Kaia (page 4 or 5, I think), are probably the most reliable and least expensive suppliers around.

Kaia ships from overseas, but she used to have free worldwide shipping, and her prices are probably the lowest if you're not in the USA. Her website is here: dr-roller(dot)eu

Jack's prices and email address are listed right on page one. I have no idea what he charges for international shipping, but it wouldn't hurt to email and ask him for a quote.


Thank you Lowbrowscientist, much appreciated!

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Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:09 am      Reply with quote
Lowbrowscientist,

thank you for actually making sense. I've been on this tread for a while now but that was loud and clear for me. i'll be ready to do another roll soon then, however i'm having skin discoloration from the vit a $ c

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The last few posts are very interesting and clearly shows an extreme approach that was undertaken by a "specialist" a professional, in a sterile environment with the experience to needle deeply enough to draw blood as shown in some photographs. I can't imagine home users would be able to cope with that level of after care required if you encountered a complication during the home treatment


The proof is right in front of you, if you've read the thread, or even most of it. The users who have been doing just that are the only ones seeing long-term positive results.

I understand that it involves diligent after-care, but I'm not sure why you think people couldn't "cope" with it.

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We are home users and I think if we want an invasive surgical treatment we should seek the advice from a professional.


It's not a surgical treatment, and it's less invasive than acid peels, which MANY users here on EDS undertake regularly on their own.

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This paper summarises how the process works:

http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf

If you notice in the paper, the actual needling process refers to a "clinician" undertaking the procedure.


You're just repeating things I've said earlier -- yes, medical grade rolls are more intense. But that is precisely why they get results in terms of collagen production.

And as I've said before, yes, home users will not be able to roll with quite so much intensity and hence will need to do perhaps as many as double the rolls to get results.

You seem to be agreeing with me on most points, the only exception is that I think home users are perfectly capable of handling intense rolls as long as they are prepared, use common sense and caution. Those following the professional protocol are the only ones seeing positive results that are lasting over time.
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Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:32 am      Reply with quote
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Er, the pics are 'bloody' scary...
Maybe I should think more about this.


You won't get that much with a home treatment, but if you're rolling to create collagen, you definitely should be seeing some blood.

You could always start with the shorter needles for product penetration and if you like the results you get with that, you probably won't be nearly as nervous about trying the longer lengths to stimulate collagen.
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Ella's Mommy wrote:
Lowbrowscientist,

thank you for actually making sense. I've been on this tread for a while now but that was loud and clear for me. i'll be ready to do another roll soon then, however i'm having skin discoloration from the vit a $ c


Happy to help, Ella!

I know, it's way confusing sometimes... I discovered the thread back when it was a lot shorter so it was easier for me to keep up with the new information.

If you're squeamish about doing the intense rolls, you can always start off with a shorter length needle for product penetration. They do not penetrate far enough to stimulate the wound healing cascade (and hence collagen production), but they do thicken the epidermis. And just getting the vitamins C and A to penetrate more deeply will make a big difference, too.
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Kay2008 wrote:

That sounds great. Although when reading the diary, I think it said she did a roll daily for 4 weeks.


Kay, what length needles was she using, and did she do aggressive treatments?

If she used shorter needles, then she was increasing product penetration (if she used product), and was thickening the skin in either case. Both of those will help the skin to show improvement, sometimes significant improvement. The shorter needles can't create collagen, though, so the results aren't as long lasting, but for most people they don't cause inflammation, either, so the results are genuinely thicker skin, over time, if the treatments are ongoing (which is good news!)

If she was using longer needles, and penetrating deeply enough to form collagen, she was rolling WAY too often and with each roll, hindering the potential results of the previous one. If she was rolling daily and NOT pressing deeply enough to generate collagen, she could still be pressing hard to cause chronic inflammation, which looks like progress at first because the scars or stretchmarks become nearly invisible due to the microinflammation. But over time, this has the potential to make things even worse than when you started. At best, she may have wasted her money on longer needles, when she would get the exact same results with shorter lengths.

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When I first found out about derma rolling for stretch marks, I read that you should do one treatment every 4 - 6 weeks.


That's what the inventing doctors recommend.

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Where as the girl in the before and after pictures did it daily.


That's what the sales vendors recommend, but thus far, of those giving updates, no one seems to be getting positive, long term results from this. (Some have had quite negative results)

The beauty of EDS is that people will come back several months later and report on their progress, so we get a realistic idea of what to expect. And, I'm eternally thankful for posters like Mountaingirl who are willing to honestly share if their early routines didn't work. (And of course, for the other posters who share their successful routines Smile )

So far, the information shared here on this thread from experienced rollers (meaning, rolling for several months to years) is very much concurrent with what the founding docs have to say.
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I left this webpage up on the screen when I left my desk earlier and upon returning, I'm surprised to see how confrontational this post looks.

It wasn't at all intended to come off that way -- my apologies! Embarassed

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photoqueen wrote:
The last few posts are very interesting and clearly shows an extreme approach that was undertaken by a "specialist" a professional, in a sterile environment with the experience to needle deeply enough to draw blood as shown in some photographs. I can't imagine home users would be able to cope with that level of after care required if you encountered a complication during the home treatment


The proof is right in front of you, if you've read the thread, or even most of it. The users who have been doing just that are the only ones seeing long-term positive results.

I understand that it involves diligent after-care, but I'm not sure why you think people couldn't "cope" with it.

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We are home users and I think if we want an invasive surgical treatment we should seek the advice from a professional.


It's not a surgical treatment, and it's less invasive than acid peels, which MANY users here on EDS undertake regularly on their own.

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This paper summarises how the process works:

http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf

If you notice in the paper, the actual needling process refers to a "clinician" undertaking the procedure.


You're just repeating things I've said earlier -- yes, medical grade rolls are more intense. But that is precisely why they get results in terms of collagen production.

And as I've said before, yes, home users will not be able to roll with quite so much intensity and hence will need to do perhaps as many as double the rolls to get results.

You seem to be agreeing with me on most points, the only exception is that I think home users are perfectly capable of handling intense rolls as long as they are prepared, use common sense and caution. Those following the professional protocol are the only ones seeing positive results that are lasting over time.
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Lowbrowscientist wrote:
Kay2008 wrote:

That sounds great. Although when reading the diary, I think it said she did a roll daily for 4 weeks.


Kay, what length needles was she using, and did she do aggressive treatments?

If she used shorter needles, then she was increasing product penetration (if she used product), and was thickening the skin in either case. Both of those will help the skin to show improvement, sometimes significant improvement. The shorter needles can't create collagen, though, so the results aren't as long lasting, but for most people they don't cause inflammation, either, so the results are genuinely thicker skin, over time, if the treatments are ongoing (which is good news!)

If she was using longer needles, and penetrating deeply enough to form collagen, she was rolling WAY too often and with each roll, hindering the potential results of the previous one. If she was rolling daily and NOT pressing deeply enough to generate collagen, she could still be pressing hard to cause chronic inflammation, which looks like progress at first because the scars or stretchmarks become nearly invisible due to the microinflammation. But over time, this has the potential to make things even worse than when you started. At best, she may have wasted her money on longer needles, when she would get the exact same results with shorter lengths.

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When I first found out about derma rolling for stretch marks, I read that you should do one treatment every 4 - 6 weeks.


That's what the inventing doctors recommend.

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Where as the girl in the before and after pictures did it daily.


That's what the sales vendors recommend, but thus far, of those giving updates, no one seems to be getting positive, long term results from this. (Some have had quite negative results)

The beauty of EDS is that people will come back several months later and report on their progress, so we get a realistic idea of what to expect. And, I'm eternally thankful for posters like Mountaingirl who are willing to honestly share if their early routines didn't work. (And of course, for the other posters who share their successful routines Smile )

So far, the information shared here on this thread from experienced rollers (meaning, rolling for several months to years) is very much concurrent with what the founding docs have to say.


Hi, It was either a 1mm or 1.5mm length (as she mentions both!). She rolled daily.

I will copy and paste some of the text from the diary:


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My Dermaroller Diary
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My Stretch Mark Before Picture
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The good news is that having tried my dermaroller, it wasnít painful like I feared. I wouldnít want to really press hard without numbing cream, but I can use it without discomfort. The 1mm roller is fine, and the 1.5mm isnít any different - although it looks a little more aggressive. The 1.5mm is better for deep stretch marks, but the 1mm is supposed to be more versatile.
After treatment with my dermaroller, my stomach and hips went a little bit red - just like after a hot bath, or mild sun burn. It wasnít exactly sore to the touch, but it was a little more sensitive - but this faded after a couple of hours. Overall, a good first dayÖ Letís see how it works in the dayís to follow.

Dermaroller Diary - End of Week One
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I have been quite amazed how my skin is feeling firmer and more even after such a few treatments! Looking at my before picture, I can even see that some of my deeper stretch marks are starting to close up. They are still there of course, but they donít feel the same or look the same when I look at them more closely.
I have got the routine sorted, and it isnít hard to fit my derma rolling into my daily regime. I use the dermaroller straight after having a bath, or if I havenít bathed yet, I just use an antibacterial wipe to clean my skin first, before treatment. Then all I have to do is use the vitamin rich moisturising cream afterwards that I was sent with the dermaroller. The Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Aloe Vera and Evening Primrose Oil ingredients are all supposed to support the development of collagen in my skin and to support the healing process. I usually wait around ten minutes after treatment before I apply it and that seems to let my skin settle. I also use an antibacterial cream before to keep my skin clean.

Results at the End of Week Two
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Wow! Iím amazed with the results so far. Iíve had to take more pictures of myself to see if I am imagining things. I was looking at myself quite closely in the mirror before my nightly dermaroller session halfway through this week. Things are definitely looking better already. Having compared the two photos, I canít believe my eyes! it certainly looks like my stretch marks are improving. My skin feels firmer and some of the shallower marks have definitely gone! At this rate I wonít need to do a full monthís diary!

End of Week Three
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This is amazing! My stretch mark scars are just getting better and better! Iíve started pressing the dermaroller a little more firmly now that I am used to the sensation. I must admit that Iíve been a bit naughty this week and missed out two sessions. I think that because Iíve seen such an improvement so quickly, Iíve become a bit complacent that itís working. Iím going to make an effort to keep it going.

End of Week Four
I have been telling everyone I know about the success I have had with my dermaroller. I have told several of my friends and family members about this amazing little gadget! Some of the remaining scars are still visible from certain angles, but I am so thrilled with the level of success Iíve had. I now know that although my skin hasnít entirely repaired, it certainly will if I continue with my treatment. I am going to send in my pictures and testimonial, but rest assured I will carry on the great work.

Dermaroller Testimonial Update - Latest ďAfterĒ Photo!
Here is my latest update picture. I was absolutely right about continuing to use my roller. I read on the Derma Roller FAQ page that your skin renews itself every 40 days, so continuing to stimulate the healing process with my Scientia Derma Roller has made all the difference!
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From what I have read over the last few pages... I am taking it I will need to use 1.5mm length needles, doing a more "aggressive" roll, once every 4 to 6 weeks. Or, I can use shorter needles daily, but doing very "light" rolls.

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But over time, this has the potential to make things even worse than when you started.

but thus far, of those giving updates, no one seems to be getting positive, long term results from this. (Some have had quite negative results)

This is what I am really worried about. If I can only roll once a month to get good results, or to NOT cause damage and end up worse than when I started, then so be it. I'd rather do it once a month and wait, than cause damage or make myself look worse.

My aims are to help my products penetrate better (Retin A) and to form collagen.
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Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:47 am      Reply with quote
Kay2008 wrote:

From what I have read over the last few pages... I am taking it I will need to use 1.5mm length needles, doing a more "aggressive" roll, once every 4 to 6 weeks. Or, I can use shorter needles daily, but doing very "light" rolls.


Yup, you have it exactly right Smile

The only thing I would add is that with shorter needles (as in, 0.5mm down to the 0.15mm), you can stand to be moderately aggressive because the needles aren't going to penetrate deeply anyway. Dr Liebl approved of frequent rolling with shorter needles because, in his studies, people showed no inflammation at those lengths. Chronic inflammation, or microinflammation - even more insidious because it's not visible to the naked eye -- was his main concern. It is being recognized as a key factor in causing premature aging.

To form new collagen, unfortunately, the aggressive rolls are necessary. But, some people roll with the shorter needles in between the major sessions (I would definitely keep these low-intensity, though). I personally can't do that, because my skin swells up like there's no tomorrow and takes almost as long to recover from using my 0.25mm as it does with 1.5mm, but this might be a compromise for people who really are addicted to rolling (it happens Wink ).
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Kay2008, thankyou(!) for posting the rolling diary... I was curious about it but didn't have the motivation to look it up. Based on her description, it sounds like she is NOT rolling deeply enough for collagen production. So, on that note, her results are fairly predictable, and based on the clinical research, they are caused by either:

1] thickening of the epidermis only (not a "permanent" improvement, but good)

2] chronic inflammation, or actually micro-inflammation (bad, and will either revert back to where it was, or make things worse)

3] a combination of both (ultimately bad, because the skin thickening will eventually revert if/when she stops rolling, and the damage done by the inflammation will start showing up, so the net result is that she will look worse, with weakened skin that will possibly even harder to improve)

Again, she doesn't seem to be rolling aggressively enough to form any collagen, however, if she IS actually doing that, her results are from:

1] chronic microinflammation -- bad, for all the reasons above

There are no other possibilities, because if she's rolling daily, then she isn't going to be forming any new collagen, no matter how aggressive her treatments are.

I noticed at the bottom of her blog she says this: "I read on the Derma Roller FAQ page that your skin renews itself every 40 days, so continuing to stimulate the healing process with my Scientia Derma Roller has made all the difference!"

What she's referring to is the outer layer of skin -- skin cells shed rougly every 40 days or so, and the ones beneath take their place on the surface. That is NOT the same as creating new collagen or remodeling skin, though. Skin needs a minimum of 3 months to regenerate, and a max of up to a year. She's not giving the new collagen a chance to form, or her skin a chance to heal, so while she may be getting some skin thickening, she's also causing inflammation and possibly long term damage.

I would love to be proven wrong about this, though, and I hope that she keeps updating this diary throughout the year. I'm interested in seeing how things are going come December, when she hits the one year mark.

If this method really works, I'll be all over it. But so far, people on *this* forum have reported bad results with it, and the clinical information also discourages it. And others here have reported pretty dramatic, long lasting results with the intense but infrequent rolls... and since that's how the inventors also had success with it, I'm going to follow the trail of smooth skin Very Happy


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My Dermaroller Diary
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My Stretch Mark Before Picture
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The good news is that having tried my dermaroller, it wasnít painful like I feared. I wouldnít want to really press hard without numbing cream, but I can use it without discomfort. The 1mm roller is fine, and the 1.5mm isnít any different - although it looks a little more aggressive. The 1.5mm is better for deep stretch marks, but the 1mm is supposed to be more versatile.
After treatment with my dermaroller, my stomach and hips went a little bit red - just like after a hot bath, or mild sun burn. It wasnít exactly sore to the touch, but it was a little more sensitive - but this faded after a couple of hours. Overall, a good first dayÖ Letís see how it works in the dayís to follow.

Dermaroller Diary - End of Week One
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I have been quite amazed how my skin is feeling firmer and more even after such a few treatments! Looking at my before picture, I can even see that some of my deeper stretch marks are starting to close up. They are still there of course, but they donít feel the same or look the same when I look at them more closely.
I have got the routine sorted, and it isnít hard to fit my derma rolling into my daily regime. I use the dermaroller straight after having a bath, or if I havenít bathed yet, I just use an antibacterial wipe to clean my skin first, before treatment. Then all I have to do is use the vitamin rich moisturising cream afterwards that I was sent with the dermaroller. The Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Aloe Vera and Evening Primrose Oil ingredients are all supposed to support the development of collagen in my skin and to support the healing process. I usually wait around ten minutes after treatment before I apply it and that seems to let my skin settle. I also use an antibacterial cream before to keep my skin clean.

Results at the End of Week Two
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Wow! Iím amazed with the results so far. Iíve had to take more pictures of myself to see if I am imagining things. I was looking at myself quite closely in the mirror before my nightly dermaroller session halfway through this week. Things are definitely looking better already. Having compared the two photos, I canít believe my eyes! it certainly looks like my stretch marks are improving. My skin feels firmer and some of the shallower marks have definitely gone! At this rate I wonít need to do a full monthís diary!

End of Week Three
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This is amazing! My stretch mark scars are just getting better and better! Iíve started pressing the dermaroller a little more firmly now that I am used to the sensation. I must admit that Iíve been a bit naughty this week and missed out two sessions. I think that because Iíve seen such an improvement so quickly, Iíve become a bit complacent that itís working. Iím going to make an effort to keep it going.

End of Week Four
I have been telling everyone I know about the success I have had with my dermaroller. I have told several of my friends and family members about this amazing little gadget! Some of the remaining scars are still visible from certain angles, but I am so thrilled with the level of success Iíve had. I now know that although my skin hasnít entirely repaired, it certainly will if I continue with my treatment. I am going to send in my pictures and testimonial, but rest assured I will carry on the great work.

Dermaroller Testimonial Update - Latest ďAfterĒ Photo!
Here is my latest update picture. I was absolutely right about continuing to use my roller. I read on the Derma Roller FAQ page that your skin renews itself every 40 days, so continuing to stimulate the healing process with my Scientia Derma Roller has made all the difference!
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Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:05 pm      Reply with quote
that was the same website that sold me on the roller, however i'm so greatfull to have found this tread

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that "diary" is very misleading... there should be a newer update

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Today is Thurs and I rolled with the 2mm this past Sun, about 5 days ago. No peeling(!) which has really amazed me, and I have to attribute it to not applying Retin A afterwards, and only using C serums and Emu oil since the roll. My skin still looks good even though I am past the post-inflammation-puffiness stage. Absolutely no evidence on my face, of the aggressive roll I just did. I think I will continue to roll every 3 months with the 2mm. I am one of the people that was looking to get a Professional Roll with a Doc, with the BIG GUNS, (a 3mm) but it occurred to me that I was capable of doing close to that at home with a 2mm, and avoiding costly travel and lodging. I'll keep ya'll posted on my progress. wave

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Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:41 pm      Reply with quote
mountaingirl wrote:
Today is Thurs and I rolled with the 2mm this past Sun, about 5 days ago. No peeling(!) which has really amazed me, and I have to attribute it to not applying Retin A afterwards, and only using C serums and Emu oil since the roll. My skin still looks good even though I am past the post-inflammation-puffiness stage. Absolutely no evidence on my face, of the aggressive roll I just did. I think I will continue to roll every 3 months with the 2mm. I am one of the people that was looking to get a Professional Roll with a Doc, with the BIG GUNS, (a 3mm) but it occurred to me that I was capable of doing close to that at home with a 2mm, and avoiding costly travel and lodging. I'll keep ya'll posted on my progress. wave


Thanks for the update, Mountaingirl... I am so jealous of your quick recovery time! I'm on my 2nd day post roll, and at the rate I'm going, I'll have to hope and pray that I can cover the remaining redness with 302 Ointment and mineral makeup Silenced

I agree with your thinking, as far as saving the cash and just going with your 2mm. I really don't think a 3mm would be any more beneficial; your 2mm will easily get the job done just as well.
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Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:49 pm      Reply with quote
Ella's Mommy wrote:
that "diary" is very misleading... there should be a newer update


I know, I was thinking that too, about the update... it's been 6 months now.

If people can truly get these kinds of results with less agressive rolling, I will be the first to jump on the bandwagon!

I was actually hoping that the Stop device could be a replacement for dermarolling, since it's much less invasive, but after a lot of reading and going back and forth on it, I don't think it's a good option for me. So... I will continue to be a human pin cushion until something more promising comes along Laughing
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I hope I will be able to post to this thread without being told that what I am seeing is just inflammation of my skin, as I have lived in my skin for 49 years and now when it is inflammed, here goes: my stretch marks on my arm have faded to a level that I am happy, there has been a DRAMATIC improvement, and I will now give dermarolling a rest. I have followed the instruction given to me by the supplier, I have found the use of high levels of infra-red light, have accelerated the healing process, the source of the light is an Omnilux plus head.

That is my update.

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