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Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:51 pm      Reply with quote
Has anybody heard of the beauty mouse? It looks like a keyboard mouse that has 3 lots of dermarollers under it. I saw it on a shopping channel here in Australia and thought that it would be handy for the body as it would cover more area quicker. Way to overpriced though.
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:34 pm      Reply with quote
Hi,

Has someone tried dermaroller on pitted (acne) scars?
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:41 am      Reply with quote
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Hi,

Has someone tried dermaroller on pitted (acne) scars?


Hi Anoshika, I've just received a single needle and started on a 33year old facial chicken pox scar (looks like a pitted acne scar). The single needle is brilliant as you can really target the area and not have any down time for the whole face. As I'm doing deep puncturing for my scar to reawaken the collagen, I will only do this once every 5 weeks.
As always, I will post results or non-results.

Also, I realise stretchmarks are very different from acne scars but you're basically working on the same premise, trying to get collagen going to raise the skin back to uniform smoothness. So maybe it's also worth you reading through 'Dermarolling for Stretchmarks' thread if you haven't already. It's sort of long but not as bad as this thread!!
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anoshika wrote:
Hi,

Has someone tried dermaroller on pitted (acne) scars?


Hi Anoshika, I've just received a single needle and started on a 33year old facial chicken pox scar (looks like a pitted acne scar). The single needle is brilliant as you can really target the area and not have any down time for the whole face. As I'm doing deep puncturing for my scar to reawaken the collagen, I will only do this once every 5 weeks.
As always, I will post results or non-results.

Also, I realise stretchmarks are very different from acne scars but you're basically working on the same premise, trying to get collagen going to raise the skin back to uniform smoothness.


This is interesting, because I've been wondering if it was worth using a derma roller (or now you mention it, a single needle) on the scar I got from an eyebrow stud. It's indented, but because it's from a piercing it might not have great results, I don't know.

But I will check in on what you post about your experience with your chicken pox scar anyway, and I might just go ahead and give it a go. I don't have anything to lose.
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Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:59 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks for you reply Miranda.
where did you buy this single needle for rolling?
ah Im so depressed about these pitted scars.

I was thinking about trying fraxel but its too expensive.

Btw have you guys heard of rejuvastamp? Its kind of an electric dermaroller. but quite expensive. I saw some videos of it on youtube. wondering whether its more effective because of its speed
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Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:03 pm      Reply with quote
Hi, I have the 1.5 dermaroller. Do you think it's effective for white, surgical scars?

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Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:43 am      Reply with quote
anoshika wrote:
Thanks for you reply Miranda.
where did you buy this single needle for rolling?
ah Im so depressed about these pitted scars.

I was thinking about trying fraxel but its too expensive.

Btw have you guys heard of rejuvastamp? Its kind of an electric dermaroller. but quite expensive. I saw some videos of it on youtube. wondering whether its more effective because of its speed


Dear Anoshika, I got my single needle (actually 2) free from Sarah Vaughtner when buying a 0.5mm dermaroller.

The web address is: http://www.owndoc.com/category/dermarolling/

If you go to the thread Dermarolling for Product Penetration Only - please take a look at one of the last posts from Keliu. It explains how Fraxel doesn't repair the skin in the same way that rolling does (Fraxel produces scar tissue formation or something). Don't waste your money on this or the electric roller until you have fully explored all the DR options (different needle lengths, single needles etc).
And bear in mind rolling rarely gives immediate results, it's long-term but whatever improvement you will see, will be permanent.
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Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:47 am      Reply with quote
Mars wrote:
Hi, I have the 1.5 dermaroller. Do you think it's effective for white, surgical scars?


Mars, I've been using my roller on my c-section scar. But be aware if your scar is raised.

This advice is from the www.owndoc.com site when using a single needle on scars:

Stretchmarks / scars (except keloids / hypertrophic scars / raised scars): You need many more pricks than with acne scars, depending on how wide and long the scar is. The idea is to get many more pricks in, per surface area, than a dermaroller can - and also deeper. The purpose is to break old scar tissue and remove damaged collagen. This dense needling is called "needle abrasion". You can try to needle-abrade raised scars but do a test first because the results with raised scars are very unpredictable.
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:36 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you very much Miranda:-) I have placed my order now.
Im a bit confused when it comes to using derma roller. Am I supposed to use it daily or every 4-6 week ? I have done some research on internet but found no specific answer to that question. some says it should be used 5 times a week while others say that it could break down the now collagen, so it should be used only every 4-6 week.

sorry for asking so much. I hope you dont mind
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:40 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you, Miranda. My scars aren't raised, just white. I'm interested in dermastamp. (maybe). Smile

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I bought a roller on ebay, have been waiting for it for a month, and the seller just told me that it may take another month. (I also see that they claim that they aren't responsible for lost items, but I think that may violate ebay's policies.)

Sooooo...any suggestions for a decent product that isn't too expensive from a reliable seller? I would rather not have to wait another month.
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Hermosa wrote:
I bought a roller on ebay, have been waiting for it for a month, and the seller just told me that it may take another month. (I also see that they claim that they aren't responsible for lost items, but I think that may violate ebay's policies.)

Sooooo...any suggestions for a decent product that isn't too expensive from a reliable seller? I would rather not have to wait another month.


Hermosa, I bought a very inexpensive roller that I love, from an eBay seller who sells electrical equipment to estheticians. She was knowledgeable and I got the roller within three days (she is in Florida). The roller is well-made and I am very pleased with it. Her eBay name is advanced_cosmetology. Here is her listing for the 1.0mm roller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-Needle-Skin-Care-Collagen-Induction-1-00mm_W0QQitemZ160372926090QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSkin_Care_test?hash=item2556f8a68a

and here is her eBay store:

http://stores.ebay.com/Beauty-Health-Equipment-Outlet

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Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:01 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks, JJ -- that is the one I remember reading about. Between these two long DR threads, it's easy to lose track!
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:10 pm      Reply with quote
anoshika wrote:
Thank you very much Miranda:-) I have placed my order now.
Im a bit confused when it comes to using derma roller. Am I supposed to use it daily or every 4-6 week ? I have done some research on internet but found no specific answer to that question. some says it should be used 5 times a week while others say that it could break down the now collagen, so it should be used only every 4-6 week.

sorry for asking so much. I hope you dont mind


Hi, Anoshika. Welcome to the forum!

Daily rolling is for product penetration while 4-6 week rolling is for collagen production. Most people who do the daily rolling use a .25 or smaller. Since your goal is collagen production, you should have gotten longer needles and should roll once every 4-6 weeks. HTH

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:23 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you Tonia:-)

Im really surprised to get my dermaroller after two days only. and I live here in norway. wow I must say Smile but the single needles I have got, they are sooo long.
I hope Miranda gives me some advice
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I regulate needle length by tightly taping a toothpick to the needle shaft.
Wide end down, so that when you prick, the thick end of the toothpick
touches the skin and prevents the needle from going further.
So the tip of the needle sticks out about 2.5 mm when I do my breasts and about 3 mm
when I do my hips and bottom. I prick really densely and I am very pleased with my results.

I tape the toothpick to that thicker part of the needle shaft.
I don't put the tape to the top of the needle because it would be difficult to remove the tape from that thin needle.
I tape it to that thicker middle shaft. Then it is very easy to remove the tape. Make sure that the toothpick is taped well and cannot move.

And I use a new toothpick and tape every session, for hygiene reasons. I also dip the
needle with the tip of the toothpick in alcohol before I start pricking.

In the beginning I had to use the toothpick,
but now I do it "free hand" because I got used to it, after a while you know
how deep you should go, it goes automatically.
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:12 am      Reply with quote
Every time I prick, the first 10 or 15 pricks are very painful. Then the body somehow gets used to it and the pain is much less.
I have the same experience when I wax my legs. When I start waxing it is very painful but as I progress with it its much less painful.
I prick about 20 stretchmarks every day. It also improved the color of my scar caused by vaccination.
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:14 am      Reply with quote
marta1, that was a good tip. I'll have to try the toothpick. I used permanent marker to make a line, but it kept coming off in the alcohol. Smile
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thank you very much for your advice Smile it was kind of you. Ill try that out. btw can I ask what products you are using ? I was thinking about ordering copper peptide from skin biology. do you think it will work on acne scars ?
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I do not know what works with acne scars because I do not have any. Just some enlarged pores. But I have plenty of stretch marks and I haven't been pregnant yet. Its very frustrating.
I have been using a single needle for many months and my stretch marks are much less visible now. Not gone though. Their color improved and they are shallower.
I use vit.A cream and vit.C serum only.
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Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:43 pm      Reply with quote
marta1 wrote:

I have been using a single needle for many months and my stretch marks are much less visible now. Not gone though. Their color improved and they are shallower.
I use vit.A cream and vit.C serum only.


That's so exciting, marta! Tbh the last few months I've felt that maybe single needles are more affective for SM's, and you seem to be a proof of that, LOL! I mean, it does make more sense that only pricking the mark and doing it as many times as you can would give more results..

Anyway, I'm going to keep rolling until this summer, when a year has passed since I started and after that I'll definitely look into the single needle! Very Happy
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thank you very much for your advice Smile it was kind of you. Ill try that out. btw can I ask what products you are using ? I was thinking about ordering copper peptide from skin biology. do you think it will work on acne scars ?



CPs should really help on acne scars. If you haven't used them before, you should start out slowly to avoid any 'uglies'. They are quite strong and can cause some reactions in some ppl - esp those w/ sensitive skin. Start with the CP Serum (diluted) and add to the ratio every week or so until your skin gets use to the CPs. When your bottle of CP Serum is gone(and after yu've been on it full strength for some time), then move up to something like the Super CP Serum, then the Super Cop and finally the Super Cop 2X. (The last 2 would be best for spot treating and they're cream based and *might* cause a breakout on some ppl. BUT, they're great for spot treating the acne scars!!) The SC and SC2X are the strongest CPs. It took me a while to adjust to them. My skin would tingle a lot spot treating w/ them and itch. I don't have any problems w/ that any more.

CPs take a long time to work, but they do work. Patience is needed. I treated a blemish that wasn't quite done scabing over (not recommended - wait til it's done with that stage) and the skin there is SO much smoother and 'poreless' than the rest of my skin. I'm really quite amazed. It's a careful balance to the timeing of when to apply the CPs to fresh scars.

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Has anyone used this size on a raised scar with any luck? Any recommendations would be helpful...TIA
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I was wondering, if you have stretchmarks on your neck (on the adamsapple sort of), going horizontally, what would be the best needle-size to get? 1.5mm? I can handle pain, but the area is not very fleshy mind you.

Appreciate any answer Smile

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marta1 wrote:
I do not know what works with acne scars because I do not have any. Just some enlarged pores. But I have plenty of stretch marks and I haven't been pregnant yet. Its very frustrating.
I have been using a single needle for many months and my stretch marks are much less visible now. Not gone though. Their color improved and they are shallower.
I use vit.A cream and vit.C serum only.


david87 wrote:
I was wondering, if you have stretchmarks on your neck (on the adamsapple sort of), going horizontally, what would be the best needle-size to get? 1.5mm? I can handle pain, but the area is not very fleshy mind you.



Hi Marta & David,
Have you seen the 'Dermarolling for Stretchmarks" thread?
There are some fascinating results (especially for growth SM's) using single needles.
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