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Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:50 am      Reply with quote
I would like to start a topic regarding those of us that are 55 and over. To me, it would be nice to find out what works or doesn't work for our age group. A large percentage of posts about a product or rave does not include the age of the poster. It is my belief that those posting who are in the 20's, 30's, 40's and early 50's do not have the same issues as we do. This is just an idea and if you think it's not a good one I will ask the moderators to delete this.

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Hi Frodo - The science backing up NIA24 has really impressed me. It seems like it may truly deliver, and I've tried MANY things since joining the forum that were disappointing.

Here's a link to their site -- be sure to read all of it and you'll understand why I decided to give it a try:

http://www.nia24.com/

NIA24 sounds to be on par with tretinoin (which I could never tolerate), but without the unpleasant side effects. I haven't used retinaldehyde much since starting it and may be able to eliminate it completely if NIA doesn't disappoint. I'm hoping it will at least keep my freckles faint and possibly fade them more. And keep lines faint. And prevent wrinkles from forming. Basically, I'm hoping it will safely maintain the current condition of my skin, and maybe even turn back the clock a little. At my age this may be a tall order, but I hope to look good a while longer -- is that asking too much???

When I was younger, I didn't worry so much about aging and felt immortal! Many young women today are as obsessive as we are now in our 50s. I'm so glad I had that care-free period in my life because God knows life isn't care-free now. I went through a period last year of dealing with the death of my mother and one of my pets and for a while, I looked maybe 10 years older. But I bounced back! I've been blessed and truly fortunate. But it's heartening to know that there are many wonderful products and procedures available today that can really make a difference. In fact, it seems like there's a new one every day Rolling Eyes Laughing
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Hi luvsgracy,
Ester-C is a buffered form of Vitamin C and is far less likely to cause stomach upset. I'm like you, my stomach reacts badly to Vitamin C ... certainly in the morning. I have been taking mine at night and haven't had the same stomach pain problems lately. Smile

Hi sharky,

Don't panic ... honest! I don't think your skin will drastically change in the next two years. Laughing I'm 55 [soon to be 56] and I don't have many lines ... and while I have a friend and a cousin both of whom are around my own age, are far more lined than I am.

I'm not smug about it ... because I think genetics plays a big role in this ... as does skin type. My friend and my cousin both have dry skin types ... whereas mine has always been oily to normal. I'm sure that's one of the reasons for the difference. [There has to be a benefit to having oily skin ... doesn't there? Laughing ]

I'm quite sure that HRT would affect the skin. Lord knows when I was on the Pill for a very short time many many many years ago it affected mine ... but not in a good way in my case. Crying or Very sad

There are, however, TONS of very good reasons to avoid HRT, not the least of which is an increased risk of both breast and ovarian cancer ... it's just not worth it for skin care. Shock

For a while I was panicky about every line on my face ... even though I don't have many ... but I then took stock and told myself that while I think one should have a sensible skin care regime and ensure that one keeps the skin as healthy as it can be for as long as one can ... I'm not sure that I'd like to forfeit all my lines. Most of 'em are laugh lines ... and I like to see laugh lines on people. Very Happy People with laugh lines have a sense of humour and are endlessly more interesting to know than a person who has none.

In short ... we're getting older ladies. There's not a lot we can do about it I'm afraid ... and we have to come to terms with it eventually. Now, that doesn't mean we abandon using things that will keep our skins looking hydrated and healthy and looking as good as we can make it ... it just means that we really won't regain our 20 year old faces again. Very Happy

Just my thoughts.

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Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:28 am      Reply with quote
Hi Ladies,

I have been reading this thread. Quite frankly I did not know where to start.

Since I was a very young woman skin care and makeup have always fascinated me. I can't begin to tell you how much money I have spent over the years on my face and body. I have nice skin as a result of taking good care of myself. HOWEVER, the last few years I have spent much too much time on ME. No matter what skin care I use, what I put into my body I am getting older. Hopefully I will be around in twenty years. Surely I will look like an old woman. I have decided that I want to get my skin care routine down to the bare minimum. I refuse to let my obsessive personality rule me anymore. No longer will I buy anything from rave reviews. I look the best I can right now. The only thing that would make a difference for me would be plastic surgery (not an option).

From now on I am spending my money on things that are more lasting. Looking forward to a trip to Disney with my four grandchildren. In my spare time I plan to be more active and simply enjoy being alive.

I plan to get rid of draws and bottles of products and stick with those that have done me well. Right now I have so much STUFF my head spins. The routine I will keep.

AM:

Wash with a gentle cleanser of choice or microfiber cloth (don't have a HG cleanser)
Vit C
JB Mineral Prep
Alpha Derma
Dr. Denese's tinted moisturizer SPF 30

PM:

Wash
Dr. Denese's Skin Firming Pads
Copper Peptides (new to this but think I might be on to something).
Dremu Emu Oil
Dremu Eye Cream

1000 mgs of C Ester daily, lots of water, exercise, try to eat better.....much laughter.

For those of you just beginning to find a good skin care routine good luck. It is very important to take care of your skin. Please just keep everything in prospective. We all need to love ourselves just the way we are.

PS: For those who know me please give me a kick if I start getting sucked into trying something new.

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Yogi, I've been using NIA24 Skin Strengthening Complex for a couple of weeks now. I'm encouraged so far but it's too soon to make a final judgement. Anyone starting it should definitely read their web site thoroughly -- it's very informative. I confess I didn't and started using it twice a day right off the bat while it's advised to ease into it. I'm experiencing a bit of a reaction (very teensy bumps here and there that I can see under 10X but not as much as would be considered a rash, but rash-like bumps not pustules). At the same time my face is even brighter than it's been while using my beloved SkinCeuticals CE+F, so it seems promising. At first I didn't want to use both but when I finally read the entire NIA24 site I saw that they can be used in tandem. Since both are active I don't want to overdo it so will pay close attention. I confess to having the same neurotic affliction as many Asian women have -- I want white, porcelain-like skin, to the extent that I can. It's a bit drying, which they disclose, but nothing that even comes close to the dryness, scaliness and irritation I've experienced when I've tried tretinoin. I haven't peeled or flaked at all. I should add that I'm not so dry that I even require moisturizer to offset it. It's a subtle difference.

I'm not keen on scrubs and the NIA24 SS doesn't meet my admittedly picky specifications -- I can tolerate chemical SS filters which offer broader and better protection. I'm a fanatic about it actually. I don't use the cleanser either (not into expensive cleansers). So I plan to just try the Skin Strengthening Complex.

I'll certainly keep you all posted about my experience with this product.

I agree about being more selective these days -- I've wasted far too much time and money. And I agree with trying to keep a regimen as simple as possible. I wince when I read what some people do to their skin. And I'm getting better at discerning what to try -- I generally don't bother with anything that doesn't have some clinical trials to substantiate marketing claims. But I nevertheless continue to fight the urge to jump on the bandwagon of a rave. It's become clearer to me though that some members are simply ravers, and not justifiably so.

I'm surprised that as vain as I am, I've been fairly sanguine about aging. I thought I'd be devastated about getting older but I'm not. Maybe it's only because I haven't hit the wall yet! But I like the longer view and perspective of life my age affords me and wouldn't trade it for more youthful looks. Yet Laughing I have a great husband too, which is such a tremendous joy and relief. My heart goes out to those of you who haven't been as fortunate as I've been -- it can make all the difference in the world. Believe me, I count my blessings and wish you all the very best.
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Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:00 pm      Reply with quote
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Yogi, I've been using NIA24 Skin Strengthening Complex for a couple of weeks now. I'm encouraged so far but it's too soon to make a final judgement. Anyone starting it should definitely read their web site thoroughly -- it's very informative. I confess I didn't and started using it twice a day right off the bat while it's advised to ease into it. I'm experiencing a bit of a reaction (very teensy bumps here and there that I can see under 10X but not as much as would be considered a rash, but rash-like bumps not pustules). At the same time my face is even brighter than it's been while using my beloved SkinCeuticals CE+F, so it seems promising. At first I didn't want to use both but when I finally read the entire NIA24 site I saw that they can be used in tandem. Since both are active I don't want to overdo it so will pay close attention. I confess to having the same neurotic affliction as many Asian women have -- I want white, porcelain-like skin, to the extent that I can. It's a bit drying, which they disclose, but nothing that even comes close to the dryness, scaliness and irritation I've experienced when I've tried tretinoin. I haven't peeled or flaked at all. I should add that I'm not so dry that I even require moisturizer to offset it. It's a subtle difference.

I'm not keen on scrubs and the NIA24 SS doesn't meet my admittedly picky specifications -- I can tolerate chemical SS filters which offer broader and better protection. I'm a fanatic about it actually. I don't use the cleanser either (not into expensive cleansers). So I plan to just try the Skin Strengthening Complex.

I'll certainly keep you all posted about my experience with this product.

I agree about being more selective these days -- I've wasted far too much time and money. And I agree with trying to keep a regimen as simple as possible. I wince when I read what some people do to their skin. And I'm getting better at discerning what to try -- I generally don't bother with anything that doesn't have some clinical trials to substantiate marketing claims. But I nevertheless continue to fight the urge to jump on the bandwagon of a rave. It's become clearer to me though that some members are simply ravers, and not justifiably so.

I'm surprised that as vain as I am, I've been fairly sanguine about aging. I thought I'd be devastated about getting older but I'm not. Maybe it's only because I haven't hit the wall yet! But I like the longer view and perspective of life my age affords me and wouldn't trade it for more youthful looks. Yet Laughing I have a great husband too, which is such a tremendous joy and relief. My heart goes out to those of you who haven't been as fortunate as I've been -- it can make all the difference in the world. Believe me, I count my blessings and wish you all the very best.


Yogi, I'm a big fan of NIA 24. I've been using it since October or November. I started out with the initial launch products which are the Scrub, the SS, and the Repair Cream. I feel the SS gives a matte look which I'm not crazy about I am not a scrub fan but I like this product very much but I only use it once or twice a week on my face, more often on my chest. I do think it works best with the RC but I find it very expensive so I wait for the occasional 30% off sale at the PS office. I tend to be dry and I didn't notice increased dryness with the products. This may have been mentioned but the SS and the RC contain the same amount of actives so you could use the SS during the day and the RC only at night.

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:47 pm      Reply with quote
I'm glad this topic came up. Just because you are over 50 does not mean you're going to fall to pieces. There are many things you can do to fight back. I'm talking about good eating habits (not necessarily a diet), supplements, exercise, reducing your stress and just living for the moment. Mental has a lot to do with it. And of course, good skincare and gadgets help too Very Happy, and I have learned so much from this forum as far as that goes.

I hit perimenopause about 4 years ago and had a brief stint of hot flashes and sleeplessness, but it all stopped eventually by itself. Maybe I'm the exception, but it does happen. I'm been in menopause for 3 years now, and I have never taken HRT, and never had a drastic decline in my skin or body. My weight is always around 130, which is healthy for my height. I still wear size 4/5. I try to eat healthy (cheat now and then) take supplements with the guidance of a nutritionist, exercise at least 3 times a week, and most of all, don't stress about everything or worry so much about the future.

My skin is actually looking pretty damn good for my age. Partly because of genetics (oily) I don't have a single wrinkle and no age spots. No discernible sagging yet. I have a decent libido and no aches or pains except minor knee pain from the drug I'm taking for breast cancer (I'm in remission). I sleep well. I feel like I'm in my 30s and most people think that I am too. They are usually shocked when I tell them I'm 51 (52 in June). So I'm proof that HRT is not always necessary.

Of course, it's a personal choice, but you need to weigh the risks/benefits, especially if you are prone to breast cancer:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18178827/
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Hi Ninetynine - I've had the same experience with emu as Arielle has, but my alternative is macadamia oil.

Also, I should mention I've had some bad experiences with products containing high amounts of HA -- for me, they can often be quite drying.

Hi helenzwl - if you give us some details about your mother's skin condition, as well as perhaps which types of products have helped her and/or which haven't, maybe we can come up with some suggestions.


If any of you have had the same problem with HA, get thee hence to a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, whatever is closest and buy a bottle of non-oily Na-PCA by TwinLab. I use a light spritz of this on my fine, dry hair before drying and styling and on my face & neck, as well. I also use a fine mist of it over my MMU to set it.

Just a thought.

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where do you layer the copper with these products?


Yogi,

I no longer use Janson Beckett Products at night as AlphaDermaCE has Vit. C. From what I understand Copper Peptides will void any benefits from C. I use Copper Peptides and Emu Oil at night. During the day I use C Serum, Mineral Prep and AlphaDermaCE.

I have been using Copper Peptides for a little over a month. I think I am seeing some added firming around the eyes and neck. I know I have to give the CPs time.

Summer is fast approaching so I think I might switch things up. CP's and a sunscreen during the day and the JB line at night.
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yogi wrote:
BluesHeart wrote:
I am not close to 50 let alone 55 but I really enjoyed this thread and hate to see it derailed/hijacked, whatever someone wishes to call it. It's probably too late unless the mods step in and ask those who've had a hand in the shenanigans to stop. I enjoyed hearing from some very wise and lovely ladies. I don't care to listen to silly nicknames...those belong in the lounge. If a member wanted testers she could have asked or pm'd in another venue. Doing so here was inappropriate and rude. MHO.

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Thank you Kimberly, for putting so eloquently what I have been feeling. This had been such an enjoyable thread. Surely we have all learned the kaos that has been created in the past when members talk about products that are not available. Can anyone say Lush Lash? And this bullying MM is reprehensible.



I AM ABSOLUTELY SICK & TIRED OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE SAME, REPETITIVE MALARKY ON HERE, EVERYONE! Mad
I want the D.I.Y. section gone, period. The arguements are helping this along nicely.

If you want to keep this section, I will advise that you govern yourselves accordingly.

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I AM ABSOLUTELY SICK & TIRED OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE SAME, REPETITIVE MALARKY ON HERE, EVERYONE! Mad
I want the D.I.Y. section gone, period. The arguements are helping this along nicely.

If you want to keep this section, I will advise that you govern yourselves accordingly.

LAST WARNING!


Agreed. What has been happening on the forums in terms of arguments and accusations has been almost entirely caused by members making products and people discussing these (and their loyalties) on the forum. This situation has gotten ridiculous and if it does not stop I'm sure the DIY section will entirely disappear and any mention of members creating their own products will be deleted because of the risk of ugly accusations and arguments, which are damaging the forum. Unless you want this to become a retail-only type forum, I'd suggest you all step back and reconsider what you post.

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To anyone on this forum

I am a little late on this topic and saw there was way too much to read. Interesting stuff

Wondering if someone could summarize the products that worked for most people as in a list form?? I could be a lot of work and is asking a bit much.

It would make a great quick reference tool since I don't have the patience to read all of it and my attention span is shorter these days.


For me, these are the products that I have come across and tried since belonging to EDS:

. oil cleansing method - most efficient way of cleansing the skin
. Copper Peptide serum
. Retin-A
. lactic acid peels
. Vitamin C serum
. DMAE serum
. oat beta glucan liquid

My skin has never looked better, so I will continue to use all of the above. There's also allot of talk about Sea Kelp Bioferment - have this on order so haven't tried it yet.
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I'm seeing some great results from skin needling. So far, I've only done it once a week for 5 weeks but I've seen a big improvement in my neck. I had a real "turkey gobbler" neck - lots of loose skin. It has now really tightened up - my husband even commented on it, and he never notices anything! The needling also accelerates the benefits of topicals (I'm using CP's and Retin-A).

For those of us that have mature age skin I think the thing that we hate most is that haggard, sour look. It's not that we want to look 25 again - we just want to look healthy and fresher. I'm finding that the skin needling is really "waking up" my skin.

I don't want to highjack this thread on a discussion of needling, but if you are interested have a look here, there's lots of good info:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=22460
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Regarding CP - I have a bottle of Dr. Pickart beginner serum on the way. The directions say to take 1000 units of vitamin C and 1000 units of MSM daily while using the serum.

I wanted to comment on something I read earlier in this thread - Ester C and vitamin C ester, according to Perricone, are different substances. The one to use is vitamin C ester. It's fat soluble vitamin C. The other one is a brand name.

[quote](Note: vitamin C ester is not the same thing as Ester C™: a patented ascorbic acid supplement with no clinically proven advantages over regular ascorbic acid.)[/quote]

http://www.nvperriconemd.com/index.cfm?action=home.vitamin_c_ester
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This is a wonderful thread for those of us who are at a certain age. In the rest of the forum when people make recommendations, I wonder about their age. I'm 59.

I did want to put in my 2 cents worth and say that aging isn't always tied with how well we have or haven't taken care of ourselves. I always looked young. Early on, I didn't like it and wanted to look like a grownup, but eventually it got to be fun. At age 40, I was mistaken for my son's date at a jazz festival, and around that time had to show my ID to prove I was over 21. And I was a little conceited about it, thought I would stay that way forever.

And I figured a lot of it had to do with my lifestyle. If you can point out anybody who eats healthier than I do, I would love to be friends with him or her. I've never been overweight, always exercised and drank lots of water; I don't smoke or drink alcohol or eat or drink sugar. My sweeteners are honey and stevia. I have studied nutrition for 30 years, so much so that my family is afraid to mention an ailment around me because I'll for sure have a list of vitamins for them, and I've taken every nutrient under the sun that my research has shown will help the cause. Lots of veggies, not a lot of meat, sunscreen, long sleeves etc., etc., etc.,

Well, imagine my dismay when about 10 years ago the bottom fell out, and everything went South! I'm still told I look young but not in the way it used to be. I'm well aware of my saggy chin, droopy eyelids, and flat skin. I'm really happy to have discovered this forum, and I'm hopeful that I can recover some of the ground I've lost with what I'm learning, but I did want to say that while taking care of ourselves is part of it, I think even more is heredity. I look like a slightly younger version of my mom who has smoked, worked outdoors a lot, never used sunscreens or eaten any special way over the course of a lifetime. The difference is, she is comfortable with it, and I'm not. Sad
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*edited by moderator to removed "hand crafted" home based business product and link.


Have said it on another thread & will repeat it here, this is one item I strongly believe should be added to everyone's skin routine. I personally favour it over other light units because it provides both blue & red lights & provides a full face treatment in one 18 min or 2x9 min daily sitting. I simply love this device. Has helped speed up the progress of all my other products.

And it was confirmed to me by LED Technologies that you needn't stop using it after the month or 10 wk period. In fact, continued use is especially helpful in reducing those hateful upper lip lines. As many people prefer a specific period recommended for the skin to benefit from treatments, LED has indicated in its promos month or 10 week daily treatments then 2x wk thereafter. But, if desired, it can safely be used daily after these time periods have elapsed.

Ordered mine from NCN during her sale and it's one of the best skin care purchases I've ever made.

If there is one thing I've learned while using CPs, DPL & other products, skin needs time to adjust, especially when we're a little older. Cell renewal takes longer so results aren't seen as swiftly as during our younger days. I almost gave up on CPs. And while I felt my skin behaving differently with the DPL, I didn't see really great results until I hit that 28 day cell renewal period. Then, oh what lovely a lovely surprise.

Skin has never felt cleaner, brighter, smoother & healthy. Won't say I have no problems but I feel now I'm providing it with quality care. Whereas when younger, my skin rebounded almost instantly no matter what I did to it. So great to see all the advances in skin care and what we're able to discover on the net & forums like EDS.
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Kassy,

Not Cowgal here, but I think this is the link that you're looking for


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Since a lot of us use, or are thinking of using Vitamin C serums, I thought I'd share this very informative link with you guys.

It's written by a Plastic Surgeons, for other Dr's.

After what I read here, I am very happy that I make my own fresh weekly!

Kassy

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/redirect.php?u=http://www.plasticsurgeons.co.za/article.asp?ArticleID=31

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I refuse to pay $125.00 for a vitamin C serum, that may have already exhausted it's shelf life by the time I open it. I can make two years worth for less than that price making my own.

I buy Vitamin C powder/crystals (it's the same thing) and mix as follows:

The following recipe will yield a 20% C serum;

1/2 tsp vit C powder (about $4. for 4oz)
1/4 tsp hyaluronic acid ((about $25. for 4oz)
1/4 tsp glycerin (about $3. in drugstore)
1 tsp distilled water ($1. per gallon)
1 vit E capsule or a couple of drops of E

Dissolve the powder/crystal C in the distilled water. (You can slightly heat the water for quicker absorption). When the powder has dissolved, add the other ingredients and put in an amber glass bottle. I keep mine refrigerated. It will be enough for several weeks. (It's better to make small batches to insure stability.) The above recipe is about 1/2 an oz, and will last a few weeks. (I use about 4 drops every A.M.)

All of the ingredients can be purchased at

http://www.cellbone.com
http://www.gardenofwisdom.com
http://thepersonalformulator.com

My personal preference is cellbone. They send a bunch of full size freebies along with your order.

Kassy

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Winnie wrote:
I also use Lactic Acid Peels. Mine is a 50% solution. Lactic Acid is very gentle and great for mature skin.

Keliu, I am waiting for my Vaculift. I ordered the facial large. What size did you get? Facial massage has become part of my routine since starting FlexEffect. The Vaculift could be a great tool for me. Smile


Winnie, you're going to love the Vaculifter - it gives the most wonderful massage and leaves your skin feeling great. I got both the Face 1 and 2 - they sent me the Face 1 as a bonus because of the difficulties I had with purchase. IMO the Face 1 (2cm cup) is adequate for all of the body. The smaller 1cm cup (Face 2) is good for fiddly areas like above the lips and eye zone. However, you'll be happy with your purchase of the Face 1 and honestly, it cleans out the pores unbelievably.
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Sistersweets- tell me what you want to know. Lots of the website of the products. One of the only companies in the US who make their own products. Linda Marshall the President was in on the Vitamin C studies with Cellux etc. and would not come out with a vitamin C until she could guarantee stability. The products are gentle (not RetinA) but they work. Linda believes as I do that too much exfoliation is not a good thing. Your skin only has so many cycles of exfoliation and then you are done. Your skin starts thinning out. A few products are for collagen rebuilding, one Youth Span is for turning de-aging the skin by lengthening the telomeres in the skin. I have been using this product since it first same out and have noticed improvement in my skin. Plumpness, my skin pores have shrunk, and I need less product on my skin.

I don't know if I am even helping what you are asking. You can always trying the Optim OX and if you don't like it send it back before 30 days. Doesn't happen for most people though. I can tell you that. If you have taken good care of your skin, you will see results. Hope I have helped.
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Hello Ladies,

Glad to know there are other women my age who care about fighting ageing and will discuss what works for them. I have no one to talk to about this because the women my age around here are resolved to let Mother Nature take her course. I am 54 but am often mistaken for being 10 years younger. I excercise, eat healthy, take supplements and am not against getting a little help from the dermatologist. Of course wearing sunscreen and not smoking are a must. I just started using a product by Life Extension called New Face. It contains estriol and DHEA which are supposed to help firm the skin. Also has other ingredients like Vit c,E and hyaluronic acid. Have not used it long enough to know what I think yet. I also use retin-a several times a week.

I am interested in the Nuface system. Anybody
familiar with this product? If is it worth the
money or should I just go with Titan treatments with the derm?

I have oily skin which has saved me from wrinkles but skin firming is a issue.

Look forward to hearing from someone.
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FitFifty wrote:
Thanks, Tessera & Fawnie.
I'm not quite ready to drop $325 on the lightstim, but ordered a Pretika LED off Amazon. Any improvement at all would be enough for me to upgrade to the more powerful unit. If not, $35 isn't much of a loss.


I don't blame you - spending several hundred dollars on something that might not work is tough to do. And I think someone said that the skin- tightening effect of the LED doesn't work for everyone. Anyway, I have enough posts now to include the link to my saggy-neck photos, if you'd like to see what the AALS did for me. I'll leave them up for a week or so.
http://www.flickr.com/gp/25893073@N04/8RY8x1

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Well, Coopergirl, keeping in mind that people have different needs and react differently to products--I will say that, what has made the most difference to me is a combination of retinoid and a good Vitamin C serum. It takes time, but the benefits have been undeniable--I'be seen a dramatic decrease in pigmentation issues, in blotchy redness, in old marks from years-ago fights with acne, in skin texture becoming more refined and less coarse, in general healthiness and glow. Both retinoids and C serum have been tested in peer reviewed scientific clinical trials with positive results on skin texture and wrinkle reduction, too.

You'll find lots of threads here about each. To summarize very briefly: The gold standard for retinoids (Vitamin A derivatives) is Retin A, available only by prescription in much of the world except through certain off-shore phramacies. There are a few other prescrition products that are similar, such as Tazorac, Renova, etc. It takes time to show benefits, and in the early weeks, Retin A can cause irritation, including redness, skin peeling, and skin sensitivity. Many people get beyond that as their skin gets used to Retin A; some never get to the point where the irritation goes away.

For those folks, and for those unable to get a prescription or unwilling to pay the high (at least in the US) price of prescription retin A, there are over-the-counter retinoid products that are weaker than Retin A but still effective over time. I personally use Avene, which makes several such products including Ystheal, Eluage, and Diacneal (all sold in Europe and in Canada) and Retrinal (sold in the US,) which are all based on retinaldehyde, a precursor to the retinoic acid in Retin A.

Others have had good success with retinol products (two steps removed from retinoic acid) such as Green Cream, Skinceuticals retinol, Pure Skin Formulations retinol, etc.

Over the counter retinoids may also cause irritation initially, but generally much less than Retin A, and the irritation is more likely to be temporary.

Whether you pick Retin A or another prescription retinoid, or an over-the-counter retinoid product, they should be used at night because they cause additional sensitivity to sunlight, and you should always wear a high quality strong sunscreen while using a retinoid product. (I slipped up once early on and actually got sunburned sitting in my car for twenty minutes on a rainy day around noontime!)

I'll write more about Vitamin C later...Hope this helps!
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I wasn't sure where to post it, but thought this was as good a place as any because I think we have all thought about home technology, even if we haven't bought into it yet. Please note that I am posting this information for discussion only. It is not my own advice, but I thought it was interesting.

A colleague of mine is a CIDESCO Diplomate and is quite well known as a lecturer in medical aesthetics. He travels a lot and has been away so I haven't had a chance to talk to him. I asked him about the three things I am interested in - the LED for home use, the dermaroller and the Tripollar technology. He said firstly that, in general, home technology is not yet powerful enough to actually make any difference to the skin.

Re the LED, he said it really depends on the wattage as to whether it can have any effect on the skin. He didn't say how strong it needs to be, but I guess the stronger the better as they don't approximate to the strength of salon LEDs.

Re the tripollar technology, he said the home devices aren't powerful enough to affect the skin and the jury is still out on the big machines in salons. Apparently quadpollar technology is on the horizon, but he wasn't very impressed with the technology in general.

Re the dermaroller, the needles need to be long enough to actually get down to the dermis sufficiently. I mentioned Bethany's pictures and he said he could show me some really gory ones from the results of salon needling. I'm sure you've seen those. To really make any difference you have to wait at least 3 - 6 months between needling to allow the skin to completely re-build and recover otherwise you could actually cause some scarring by needling over still damaged skin.

Apparently at home people (that would be me!)get very enthusiastic and can't wait for results, so they do the procedures far more often that is recommended.

Please take this information in the spirit it is intended - as one more step in elucidating the beauty technology that we are using.
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