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Thu May 29, 2008 4:47 pm      Reply with quote
Hi,
I was wondering if there is a way to search this "55 and over" forum?
I don't see the option on the search page.
I was looking for info on Oxygen facials and what everyone thought of them.
Is there a home machine made that is reasonable enough.
Thanks for any input.
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Thu May 29, 2008 4:56 pm      Reply with quote
Hi there. I don't see anything in particual regarding "Oxygen Facials", but you might want to check out this very popular thread on Karin Herzog 'Oxygen' skincare.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28480&highlight=oxygen+facials

I'm sure someone there will guide you in the right direction.


Good luck!
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Thu May 29, 2008 5:35 pm      Reply with quote
You can type in Oxygen facials under google and find lots. THey are very popular. Also I suggest you check Karin herzog site in the UK gives directions on giving your own facial. No special equipment needed except product and saran wrap..... And nothing like them for fresh glow.

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Thu May 29, 2008 9:34 pm      Reply with quote
Sweeps3 or anyone else interested in Oxygen for your skin. I use Elysee skin products which I love.

In particular there is a product called Optim OX which brings oxygen (medical grade) to your skins surface and gives you the youthful radiant glow you had as a child. If you go to HSN I was the first review of this product when it first came out. After two weeks of using this product, I literally stopped using Foundation and now only wear tinted moisturizer or a sheer powder unless I am going out at night. This is definitely a wow product.

The first time my Laura Mercier make-up artist saw my skin after using this product he made a scene in Nordstrom's when he saw my skin. You don't realize with age that glow leaves. With this product you get it back. During the beginning phase I will be honest and tell you though that your skin may purge a bit and break out.
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I've read up on oxyen facials and found no evidence that backs up claims. I'm talking about the facials where oxygen is blown on the skin...in fact, it may cause more harm than good.

Short term - irritation that plumps up the skin, thus making it temporarily smoother and giving it a 'glow'. Long term - oxygen is a conduit for free radicals, and unstable oxygen moledules cause free radicals. Also oxygen is an oxidiser and oxidization causes skin aging.

My conclusion is that oxygen facials give wonderful short term results, but long term effects aren't known. I'd rather skip the oxygen myself.

As far as oxygen creams go, From an article on beautymagonline:
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The fact that other topical oxygen bearing applications (such as hydrogen peroxide and oxygenated purified water) have lost favour with skin professionals due to free radical issues makes one wonder why less knowledgeable aestheticians and therapists have not made the connection between the similarity of the two modalities.
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Fri May 30, 2008 7:12 pm      Reply with quote
Platinum rose - please tell me more about these products. I looked at the one you mentioned on HSN and it soudns very interesting. But I love oxygen - I'm a total KH hound.
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Sistersweets- tell me what you want to know. Lots of the website of the products. One of the only companies in the US who make their own products. Linda Marshall the President was in on the Vitamin C studies with Cellux etc. and would not come out with a vitamin C until she could guarantee stability. The products are gentle (not RetinA) but they work. Linda believes as I do that too much exfoliation is not a good thing. Your skin only has so many cycles of exfoliation and then you are done. Your skin starts thinning out. A few products are for collagen rebuilding, one Youth Span is for turning de-aging the skin by lengthening the telomeres in the skin. I have been using this product since it first same out and have noticed improvement in my skin. Plumpness, my skin pores have shrunk, and I need less product on my skin.

I don't know if I am even helping what you are asking. You can always trying the Optim OX and if you don't like it send it back before 30 days. Doesn't happen for most people though. I can tell you that. If you have taken good care of your skin, you will see results. Hope I have helped.
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Sat May 31, 2008 2:16 pm      Reply with quote
Platinumrose - thank you... You have helped. I appreciate it.
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:51 pm      Reply with quote
rowmare wrote:
I've read up on oxyen facials and found no evidence that backs up claims. I'm talking about the facials where oxygen is blown on the skin...in fact, it may cause more harm than good.

Short term - irritation that plumps up the skin, thus making it temporarily smoother and giving it a 'glow'. Long term - oxygen is a conduit for free radicals, and unstable oxygen moledules cause free radicals. Also oxygen is an oxidiser and oxidization causes skin aging.

My conclusion is that oxygen facials give wonderful short term results, but long term effects aren't known. I'd rather skip the oxygen myself.

As far as oxygen creams go, From an article on beautymagonline:
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The fact that other topical oxygen bearing applications (such as hydrogen peroxide and oxygenated purified water) have lost favour with skin professionals due to free radical issues makes one wonder why less knowledgeable aestheticians and therapists have not made the connection between the similarity of the two modalities.




I never imagined oxygen could be a bad thing until reading it all lately. For those of us with a Derma Wand, does the oxygenation caused by that do the free radical dance as well? I've googled till I'm blue in the face, but I've only found oxygen to be harmful when it has been 'absorbed' into the skin in cream form. Here's something I just saw today...

Skin Care Products: Some skin care products contain free radicals and the use of products with these ingredients actually promotes skin aging. Many "oxygen creams" contain hydrogen peroxide. While hydrogen peroxide is a free radical, marketers of these products claim the hydrogen peroxide converts to oxygen within the skin. It may convert to a stable oxygen molecule in the skin, however it can only do so by stealing an electron from another molecule, which starts a free radical cascade and skin damage.

The rosy glow in the skin from applying these oxygen creams is the same rosy glow caused by elevated free radical activities following unprotected sun exposure as elements of the skin are damaged by free radicals. Application of products to the skin that contain free radicals or generate free radicals, increase the speed of skin damage or more commonly called skin aging.


This is the link...

http://www.skintactix.com/acne_&_premature_skin_aging.htm


Could any of you that have and use the Derma Wand weigh in with your thoughts. I can tell you that in my experience I only once had an adverse reaction while using the DW, and it was when I used it on skin that was NOT intact. (I tried it on a bug bite thinking it might take the itch away, and instead it swelled the area and made it bright red for 2 days)..

Am I correct in assuming that oxygen is safe on top of intact skin, and the problems occur only when it has penetrated skin as with creams, sprays or liquids?

I swear, there is always something to worry about.

Edited to add: I don't know why the link isn't working, but the quote above is all it said about the oxygen.
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:28 pm      Reply with quote
Dear Kris Kringle. Oxygen products have a bad history here Laughing And I sure won't get into that... But...

Karin Herzog and her husband have an oxygen-based skincare line that has been out for maybe 25 or 30 years. She herself has used it exclusively and she is lovely. NO sign of the nasty free radical skin damage at all. YOu can accesss this on YouTube. Like you , I have great appreciation for research - I am in Science and teach at a college. NO problems with research but I also am an advocate of outcome based evidence. That is "SHOW ME". With respect to the Karin Herzog products I have yet to see ONE example of damage done by the line. That is ...not one example that years of use have showed rapid skin aging.

It is probably obvious that I love the products and they have quite a following in Hollywood and in other circles. Oxygen facials are BIG business in Manhatten. And have been for a long time.

I am certain if you put Hydrogen Peroxide in a cream and slapped it on your face you would cause damage after a while but it's clearly not the same thing when an educated person of science puts a product together that stands the "test of time."

Karin Herzog Skincare is growing by leaps and bounds -she is undergoing expansion in her research labs and production facilities in Switzerland. Obviously 30 years of her product has withstood the test of time. EDS now carries this line as well, so they obviously feel it is safe.

Enough said. The oxygen wars ended previously - I just wanted to let you know my take.
HOpe you are enjoying being a member here on EDS. It's great, isn't it?
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:47 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you Sistersweets for the information.

But my question was really about the oxygenation from using Derma Wand. So am I safe in assuming that's okay as well?
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:06 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Kris, when I read all the debate on the Forum about the oxygen facials and creams I must admit that I also wondered where the DW would fit into this. I have to admit that I'm not entirely sure how the DW works and have no understanding of the scientific process at all - nor have I been able to find any detailed info on the web. However, this type of beauty device has been used for many years in salons and I have not heard of any adverse effects.

Unlike yourself, I have applied my DW to insect bites and find it does help. I've also used it on other family members when they've had small skin infections - it really seems to speed along healing.

The bottom line is that I love my DW and will continue to use it - if I listened to every negative report around, I'd be too frightened to get out of bed in the morning.

However, if anyone does have any info on how the DW and similar devices oxygenate the skin, I would be very interested to hear from them.
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karin herzog is a swiss skincare line for 25 years on the market ?

im from europe and
- have never seen any karin herzog product in any shop, nor
- can i find a european shop who sells it, nor
- have ever heard anyone talking about it, nor
- can i find any posting about this skincare on any local beauty-forum here,

and i also read about oxygene cosmetics being long term not a good choice for the skin, but i cant find the link anymore, but it made me NOT buying the psf o2 serum.

i really dont want to rain on anyones parade, and im not really an experienced user of any cosmetics, but what shocked me so much was the dmae-cell-damage reports... because it shows that there are obviously a lot of cosmetics manufacturers who seem to mix simply everything new and halfway helpful together without caring or checking its effect on a skin or cell damage in long term...
THOSE - are (imo) the ones who are just after the money thing, even if their skincare is not that expensive...

Paula Begoun says:"Karin Herzog
Most of the skin-care products are based on the notion that oxygen in creams, lotions, and masks can help skin in regard to improving circulation. The theory is that the oxygen in these formulations can penetrate from the surface into the circulatory system and thereby get rid of wrinkles, cure acne, and heal rosacea and an assortment of other skin ills. Based on this assumption, almost all of the Herzog products contain hydrogen peroxide as the source of oxygen. The notion of oxygen in skin care is a spurious concept, and the reasons for that, not the least of which are its function as a major cause of free-radical damage and the resulting breakdown of collagen, but it is also detrimental to skin-cell growth (Sources: Journal of Investigative Dermatology, August 2002, pages 489–498; Free Radical Research, May 2002, pages 555–566; Human and Experimental Toxicology, February 2002, pages 61–62; and Journal of Trauma, November 2001, pages 927–931). "


... whenever... even paula begoun might have to queue in the line of them, as this AHA/BHA stuff was recently in the news for causing genetics damages as well.. Rolling Eyes

i hope, the effect you see with the products is NOT caused by the desperate attempt of your skin to survive, and it works well, as it is not very pricey...

and bottom line all we want is some help - but imo not for any "price"... Exclamation
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Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:27 am      Reply with quote
Oh my....I just received my Dermawand and I absolutely love it...This has happened to me a couple of times..I order something then I read something negative and then I have a negative thought in my mind!!! Confused
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racheli wrote:
karin herzog is a swiss skincare line for 25 years on the market ?

im from europe and
- have never seen any karin herzog product in any shop, nor
- can i find a european shop who sells it, nor
- have ever heard anyone talking about it, nor
- can i find any posting about this skincare on any local beauty-forum here,

and i also read about oxygene cosmetics being long term not a good choice for the skin, but i cant find the link anymore, but it made me NOT buying the psf o2 serum.

i really dont want to rain on anyones parade, and im not really an experienced user of any cosmetics, but what shocked me so much was the dmae-cell-damage reports... because it shows that there are obviously a lot of cosmetics manufacturers who seem to mix simply everything new and halfway helpful together without caring or checking its effect on a skin or cell damage in long term...
THOSE - are (imo) the ones who are just after the money thing, even if their skincare is not that expensive...

Paula Begoun says:"Karin Herzog
Most of the skin-care products are based on the notion that oxygen in creams, lotions, and masks can help skin in regard to improving circulation. The theory is that the oxygen in these formulations can penetrate from the surface into the circulatory system and thereby get rid of wrinkles, cure acne, and heal rosacea and an assortment of other skin ills. Based on this assumption, almost all of the Herzog products contain hydrogen peroxide as the source of oxygen. The notion of oxygen in skin care is a spurious concept, and the reasons for that, not the least of which are its function as a major cause of free-radical damage and the resulting breakdown of collagen, but it is also detrimental to skin-cell growth (Sources: Journal of Investigative Dermatology, August 2002, pages 489–498; Free Radical Research, May 2002, pages 555–566; Human and Experimental Toxicology, February 2002, pages 61–62; and Journal of Trauma, November 2001, pages 927–931). "


... whenever... even paula begoun might have to queue in the line of them, as this AHA/BHA stuff was recently in the news for causing genetics damages as well.. Rolling Eyes

i hope, the effect you see with the products is NOT caused by the desperate attempt of your skin to survive, and it works well, as it is not very pricey...

and bottom line all we want is some help - but imo not for any "price"... Exclamation


Answering your question. Here are links to European distributors and vendors.

http://www.karinherzog.com/
http://www.karinherzog.be/
http://www.inbeauty.it/
http://www.karinherzog.es/erol.html
http://www.karinherzog-oxygen.com/
http://www.karinherzog.co.uk/

There are more; including Canada, USA, Australia, Singapore, South Africa.

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Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:49 pm      Reply with quote
thanks for the links, bluesheart...

right now, there is no rave about this cosmetics line, and - faik - there has never been one...

but maybe - it will just hit us a little later Smile

@all users - lets hope it works, and the oxygene system might provide finally some progress in anti-aging skincare...
good luck to everyone...
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Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:15 pm      Reply with quote
Just jumping in here to add, that the Karin Herzog threads that are quoted, are hardly an unbiased opinion on the flip side of oxygen creams.

But regardless of that, there are different threads all set up on the pro's and con's of oxygen creams in general.

It might be a good idea to battle out the oxygen debate on those, and leave this nice peaceful thread alone.

Believe me, I'm all for defending what you believe in, but there comes a time when you really need to not take things so personally. The original questions above related to oxygen creams 'in general' + Dermawand in particular. KH wasn't mentioned until Sis's post brought it into the picture. And of course now we have a storm a brewing..

Can we just all agree to play nice and have respect for "everybody's" opinions, in a nice orderly fashion?

And I would really like to have an answer to the question; Is the oxygenation that happens with Dermawand causing free radicals on the skin? Or is it just a concern when it penetrates the deeper layers?

That is a legitimate question, that deserves some attention in my opinion.

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Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:26 pm      Reply with quote
Kassy_A wrote:
Just jumping in here to add, that the Karin Herzog threads that are quoted, are hardly an unbiased opinion on the flip side of oxygen creams.

But regardless of that, there are different threads all set up on the pro's and con's of oxygen creams in general.

It might be a good idea to battle out the oxygen debate on those, and leave this nice peaceful thread alone.

Believe me, I'm all for defending what you believe in, but there comes a time when you really need to not take things so personally. The original questions above related to oxygen creams 'in general' + Dermawand in particular. KH wasn't mentioned until Sis's post brought it into the picture. And of course now we have a storm a brewing..

Can we just all agree to play nice and have respect for "everybody's" opinions, in a nice orderly fashion?

And I would really like to have an answer to the question; Is the oxygenation that happens with Dermawand causing free radicals on the skin? Or is it just a concern when it penetrates the deeper layers?

That is a legitimate question, that deserves some attention in my opinion.


Hi kassy,
Were you directing your comment to me? If so, I don't believe there was any debate at all. As Rachel requested info and I furnished it to her.

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Doing some digging here regarding the Dermawand.
http://www.beautyproductscompared.com/derma-wand-review

They seem to believe the 'oxygenation' comes from the electrical impulses and is not quite applying a topical oxygen. If that is, in fact the case then those of you worrying about using your DW should be fine.

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Who's battling???? Confused
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[quote="Kassy_A"]
Can we just all agree to play nice and have respect for "everybody's" opinions, in a nice orderly fashion?

great idea
You first Wink


no need to be so serious,just joking around Very Happy
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Kassy_A wrote:

Can we just all agree to play nice and have respect for "everybody's" opinions, in a nice orderly fashion?

great idea
You first Wink



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Well being a baby boomer I don't have hours to go through this thread all though I will be 55 in two weeks. And I figured out No on KH for what my needs are.

I have these hash like wrinkles above my cheeks and they are driving me nuts. Someone suggested Remergent DNA, anybody else have any ideas? I use Elysee skin products, just started gently rolling and if I cant get something to work will go more drastic like laser. No Retin-A, Renova, Tazorac for me. Too much exfolliation in my book is not a good thing. So if anyone has an idea, let me have it. Other than that I have great skin with the products I am using.

55, Fair skin, combination, oily t-zone,Elysee, dermaroller, Skin Medica vitamin C. Radiesse.
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Remergent DNA Repair helps that for my aged(!) skin. I'm also trying AlphaDerma CE from the trial pack. Not finished with it yet, but so far seems to be good.
I even have a few oval areas on my cheeks that are not so small, maybe 1/2" by 1/4" on my cheeks where the skin is kind of loose looking. And Remergent helps that, too. I think it is wonderful stuff.
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Well being a baby boomer I don't have hours to go through this thread all though I will be 55 in two weeks. And I figured out No on KH for what my needs are.

I have these hash like wrinkles above my cheeks and they are driving me nuts. Someone suggested Remergent DNA, anybody else have any ideas? I use Elysee skin products, just started gently rolling and if I cant get something to work will go more drastic like laser. No Retin-A, Renova, Tazorac for me. Too much exfolliation in my book is not a good thing. So if anyone has an idea, let me have it. Other than that I have great skin with the products I am using.

55, Fair skin, combination, oily t-zone,Elysee, dermaroller, Skin Medica vitamin C. Radiesse.


I really wish I could persuade you to change your mind on Retin-A - especially now that you are using a Dermaroller. It is recommended by the doctors to prep the skin for a couple of months with Retin-A before starting rolling and its continued use adds to the effectiveness of rolling. IMHO rolling is the only sure fire way to resurface the skin and minimise wrinkles - expensive creams to nothing. I think I've posted this before, but I don't find Retin-A drying (AHAs gave me much more dryness and irritation). I also thought that the constant peeling with AHAs was stripping my skin. However, even though the Retin-A in addition to rolling has caused my skin to peel - it does not feel at all dry and my skin appears much more refined, pores are minimised considerably and the roller is working on the wrinkles.

Maybe if you do some more research into the benefits of Retin-A you might be more confident to try it - you could try starting off with a low percentage. Hope you don't mind me going on about this again! Very Happy

Incidentally, I did the laser thing and spent $4,000 on Thermage - complete waste of money.
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