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Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:18 am |
Hi ladies,
I'm reading so much about these on this board and I think I may be tempted to try them. Where would you guys recommend that I start ? My skin can be quite dry and sensitive at times, things like vit c serum dry my skin out. To add to his, my eyes are very sensitive to products like DMAE, beta glucan serum etc, they just makes my eyes red.
Any advice ladies ?
Jackie x |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:19 pm |
I would get some emu oil too. It's very calming and replenishing and a good match for copper. If you're sensitive, you will need calming, and it sounds like by your description, hydration.
Also, dont start with SuperCopper, start with reg strength Copper.
I would also mix reg copper with water at first. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:55 pm |
Jackie, I was a beginner to CP products, too. I bought Super CP serum from skinbiology for my stretch marks, but once I learned it was not strong enough for the body skin, I switched to try it on my face. I'm seeing great results but only after I stopped diluting it. I was cautious at first due to reading about the uglies. So I was diluting 1/2 cp and 1/2 with water. I saw no results, and thought the product was junk, but then after reading more about great results from others, I decided to stop diluting to see if I could see anything. My skin liked that better. So I think maybe you can try super CP serum, which is pretty mild. Try diluting it, and if you don't respond in 1-2 weeks, then try it without dilution. I think your dry skin would love it. I have dry skin and it can be sensitive to certain things, but it's ok with CP. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:31 pm |
Jackie,
Like BKKgirl, I have dry, sensitive skin that loves CP. I got impatient with the whole dilution thing, and quickly went to full-strength CP serum.
However, I agree with Sandy that you should start out slowly. It's amazing how some people get great results, and yet others get nothing, or worse...some people get really negative results. You can get little starter kits from skinbio, so you don't end up wasting alot of money.
You should start with CP serum, emu or some other biological healing oil (I love ultra emu), and a gentle exfoliator like Exfol serum. Start with two drops CP and 10 drops water, try it for a few days, then up the ratio, try it for a few days...etc.
After you figure out how your skin reacts to it, then you can experiment...some people mix the CP with their oil (slows penetration), others follow the CP with their oil ("pushes" the CP in, and accelerates penetration).
HTH! |
_________________ Nadine, age 50, live in VA; half-Asian, slight yellow tone; sensitive, dry/combo skin |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:34 pm |
bkkgirl - what results on your face are you seeing with the super CP? Are you using this 1 time a day or twice? Thanks in advance! |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:06 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
bkkgirl - what results on your face are you seeing with the super CP? Are you using this 1 time a day or twice? Thanks in advance! |
Rileygirl, what I noticed after I started using the Super CP serum full strength was my undereye area which used to be really dry and got tiny lines (crepey looking) seemed to now be much less dry and those lines are way less. So I think if nothing else, maybe the Super CP serum helps add back the moisture in to my undereye skin which got a bad result from Thermage treatment. I used to use it both AM and PM, but now I'm using my own C serum which I made with MAP, melatonin, GABA, SKB and BG. So I have to use C in the morning, and CP at night. I'm seeing good results using these. My face used to look tired, but the skin now has a glow to it. My eyelids seem to be more lifted, too. I don't know if this was from the super CP serum or the DMAE though. Maybe both. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:06 am |
Thanks Bkkgirl. I noticed a glow and reduction of my NL lines with the regular CP, but I am not really seeing anything else as of yet. I did have an almost immediate firming of my jaw area, but that was shortlived, even though the area looks better. Anyway, my progress seems to have slowed and I am curious about the Super CP. Thanks for your help! |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:27 am |
I had facial laser treatments a couple of years ago. She was careful to avoid the eye area, so while my brown spots were gone on my face...I still had some around my eyes.
When I started using CP, I targeted my eye area, especially those brown spots. They got worse for a while, darker and definitely more noticable. Now they are lightening up. I think what happens is, ~and someone more knowledgable about CP could answer this...~ is the CP pushes the spots up. |
_________________ 46 yrs old, I live at the beach and love being out in the sun. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:54 pm |
I'm back to using the cp serum as well. I've been using it for almost a week. We'll see how bad the uglies will get for me this time around. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:33 pm |
Chrissie wrote: |
I had facial laser treatments a couple of years ago. She was careful to avoid the eye area, so while my brown spots were gone on my face...I still had some around my eyes.
When I started using CP, I targeted my eye area, especially those brown spots. They got worse for a while, darker and definitely more noticable. Now they are lightening up. I think what happens is, ~and someone more knowledgable about CP could answer this...~ is the CP pushes the spots up. |
Chrissie, I haven't seen the brown spots lightening up yet, so I'm moving on to TCA. Thanks to Scally and Lisey. I'll still be using the Super CP Serum just because I have a feeling it is doing something for me. My face does seem much less tired looking. This is especially the case with my eyes. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:54 am |
Hi Ladies,
many thanks for your replies! So could I start with the CP Super, but dilute it to begin with ? or would I better to start with something weaker ?
many thanks
Jackie x |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:22 am |
Jackie284 wrote: |
Hi Ladies,
many thanks for your replies! So could I start with the CP Super, but dilute it to begin with ? or would I better to start with something weaker ?
many thanks
Jackie x |
I have been considering using CPs for a while now, haven't taken the plunge yet. Since my skin tends toward dryness I was thinking about Skinbio's GHK products. There is a serum and a cream, I'll probably order the cream. Anyone here with experience of CPs tried the GHK and has an idea of how effective it is compared to the first generation products? TIA, Mischa. |
_________________ Early 50s, fair skinned, mild rosacea. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:40 am |
Jackie...
If you do start with Super Cp as opposed to CP, I would dilute it with water. Even if you do this for the first month and it goes well, then you can dilute less and less.
Even if you dilute and it doesnt start doing much right away, it will at least be prepareing your skin for a stronger dose.
Reasons are; It does say to start slowly. It also does purge, so who knows what lies under your skin, and then lastly, you dont know how you will react to it.
When I started using it, my skin was really nice to begin with. Then it did get the uglies. I stopped for a couple of weeks, and the uglies cleared up. Then I reintroduced it, diluted, and it went fine, in fact my skin is getting better also.
I would dilute at least for your first month of use. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:41 pm |
I agree with Sandra if you are going to start out on the super CP to dilute. Though, just my opinoin, I would still start with the regular CP or the GHK product and work up from there. Everything I have read on the website says those who have had the greatest results started out slow and worked their way up with the products. Just my 2 cents! Good luck! |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:02 pm |
Mischa wrote: |
I have been considering using CPs for a while now, haven't taken the plunge yet. Since my skin tends toward dryness I was thinking about Skinbio's GHK products. There is a serum and a cream, I'll probably order the cream. Anyone here with experience of CPs tried the GHK and has an idea of how effective it is compared to the first generation products? TIA, Mischa. |
Hi, Mischa. I've used regular CP serum (Skin Bio) for several years. I have dry, very sensitive, reactive skin. Even after several years of using the CP serum, I was only able to tolerate it diluted with water (4 drops CP to 2 drops water) every few days. Any more than that and I would break out, sometimes badly. Not just regular zits, but cystic acne...something I never had even as a teenager.
A couple weeks ago, I got a sample of Skin Bio's Super GHK serum. I've been using it every day at full strength for about 2 weeks now without any problems. I figure that, even if it's not as strong, I can use it every day at full strength and probably get better results than with diluted CP every few days.
I think, if someone has sensitive skin, starting with the Super GHK is a good idea. In fact, if I see results, I'll probably stay with it permanently. I'm also able to use it around my eyes, which I was unable to do with the regular CP serum. |
_________________ Fifty+ green-eyed brunette. Dry, VERY sensitive fair skin. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:38 pm |
Hi Ladies,
is the GHK a weaker version then ?
lonevoice - did the CP serum irritate your eyes, or was it the skin around your eyes ? My eyes tend to turn red with alot of strong actives,
thanks again
Jackie x |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:59 pm |
GHK is the weakest.
Here's the order of strengths
http://www.skinbio.com/usingsrcps.html#1
Even though you can use it on eyes and under..it's from the crease of the eye up, not on the lid (skin is too thin here). |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:44 pm |
Jackie, oops, I wasn't very clear about that, was I? No, the CP serum didn't irritate my eyes, just the skin around my eyes. It caused dryness, redness and crepey-looking skin there.
Sandra, I've been using the GHK on my upper lid too, particularly in the area of the brow bone where eyelids tend to get droopy. I'd never heard you couldn't use it on upper lid. According to Skin Biology's website:
Skin Biology wrote: |
"The beauty of Super GHK-Copper is that it is both soothing and intense. The GHK products are strong enough to fight wrinkles and tighten skin while gently pampering the most sensitive skin – even around the eyes." |
Guess I need to do some more research about that, thanks! I'll give Skin Biology a call and ask them if they don't recommend using GHK on the upper eyelid. |
_________________ Fifty+ green-eyed brunette. Dry, VERY sensitive fair skin. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:14 pm |
bkkgirl wrote: |
Chrissie wrote: |
I had facial laser treatments a couple of years ago. She was careful to avoid the eye area, so while my brown spots were gone on my face...I still had some around my eyes.
When I started using CP, I targeted my eye area, especially those brown spots. They got worse for a while, darker and definitely more noticable. Now they are lightening up. I think what happens is, ~and someone more knowledgable about CP could answer this...~ is the CP pushes the spots up. |
Chrissie, I haven't seen the brown spots lightening up yet, so I'm moving on to TCA. Thanks to Scally and Lisey. I'll still be using the Super CP Serum just because I have a feeling it is doing something for me. My face does seem much less tired looking. This is especially the case with my eyes. |
I also use TCA and the SuperCopII. I'm too much of a baby to use the SCII close to my eyes. |
_________________ 46 yrs old, I live at the beach and love being out in the sun. |
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Tue May 01, 2007 2:27 am |
SandraG wrote: |
Jackie...
If you do start with Super Cp as opposed to CP, I would dilute it with water. Even if you do this for the first month and it goes well, then you can dilute less and less.
Even if you dilute and it doesnt start doing much right away, it will at least be prepareing your skin for a stronger dose.
Reasons are; It does say to start slowly. It also does purge, so who knows what lies under your skin, and then lastly, you dont know how you will react to it.
When I started using it, my skin was really nice to begin with. Then it did get the uglies. I stopped for a couple of weeks, and the uglies cleared up. Then I reintroduced it, diluted, and it went fine, in fact my skin is getting better also.
I would dilute at least for your first month of use. |
Pshaw, you tough-skinned retin-a junkie, you!
You know why you get the uglies...put down the you-know-what I occasionally hear you enjoying when we chat on the phone, (I know because I've had them in my hand, too!) and our skin is pretty!
Just funnin' you, darling!
Personally, I practically bathe in Super CP serum and have never had any ugly at all from it. Except when I ran out and was waiting for more to arrive!
For best results, three things must be present when using copper:
Oral doses of vitamin C and msm, and also exfoliation.
It's always wise to introduce any new product slowly and gently...I always do the "half-face test" where I begin using a new product on just half my face so that any reaction, positive or negative, can be compared with the other half. |
_________________ Blond, Swedish/Cherokee, normal/dry skin, a sucker for products, gizmos, and treatments that are "age-defying." Just hit the big 4-0 |
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Tue May 01, 2007 7:01 am |
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Hi, Mischa. I've used regular CP serum (Skin Bio) for several years. I have dry, very sensitive, reactive skin. Even after several years of using the CP serum, I was only able to tolerate it diluted with water (4 drops CP to 2 drops water) every few days. Any more than that and I would break out, sometimes badly. Not just regular zits, but cystic acne...something I never had even as a teenager.
A couple weeks ago, I got a sample of Skin Bio's Super GHK serum. I've been using it every day at full strength for about 2 weeks now without any problems. I figure that, even if it's not as strong, I can use it every day at full strength and probably get better results than with diluted CP every few days.
I think, if someone has sensitive skin, starting with the Super GHK is a good idea. In fact, if I see results, I'll probably stay with it permanently. I'm also able to use it around my eyes, which I was unable to do with the regular CP serum. |
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Lonevoice, thanks so much for your input on the GHK. Reading your post, I see that it does make sense for me to start with the GHK and work up. Also like that I can use it round the eyes, always need some extra help there! I was always put off by the CPs because I wasn't sure if I could go through a period of the "uglies" so I was relieved to hear about the GHK. Seems like it's an easier intro. to CPs. |
_________________ Early 50s, fair skinned, mild rosacea. |
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Thu May 03, 2007 1:13 am |
Okay ladies...you really have me curious!!!
I was moments away from ordering the CP, but now I am wondering what the heck are "the uglies"???And what the heck could possibly be lurking under my skin???
I use Retina A, and exfoliate regularly and although I am 52, I have no hyper pigmentation (well, maybe the odd tiny spot)!!
If you can persuade me that I won't wake up looking like Medusa after embarking on a regimen of CPs (and I go ahead and order it)....would you use the CP at the same time of day as Vit C serum, and if so, how would you layer them? |
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Thu May 03, 2007 5:19 am |
luvyourskin wrote: |
Okay ladies...you really have me curious!!!
I was moments away from ordering the CP, but now I am wondering what the heck are "the uglies"???And what the heck could possibly be lurking under my skin???
I use Retina A, and exfoliate regularly and although I am 52, I have no hyper pigmentation (well, maybe the odd tiny spot)!!
If you can persuade me that I won't wake up looking like Medusa after embarking on a regimen of CPs (and I go ahead and order it)....would you use the CP at the same time of day as Vit C serum, and if so, how would you layer them? |
From previous posts, I understand that the scarily-named "uglies" are what can happen if you introduce copper peptides too quickly - so that's why it's usually best to start with a weaker version (like the simple Copper Peptide Serum) and dilute it at first - eg 4 drops CP mixed with 4 drops water for the first fortnight, then 5 drops CP with 3 drops water for the next fortnight, and so on.
The uglies seem to involve skin looking saggy - so not something you'd particularly enjoy happening. It can be resolved, though, by taking a break from using CPs for a while, then re-introducing them more gradually.
Vitamin C is not recommended for use at the same time as CPs. You should leave 12 hours between application - so it should be okay for one to be used am and the other pm. I understand that CPs neutralise the effects of Vit C. |
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Thu May 03, 2007 6:20 am |
I tried CPs a few years ago. My skin is very tolerant to everything, so I went full strength (no diluting) and found absolutely no change. I threw the last third out and scuffed.
Well, a few years later, I think I'd like to try my friend the CP again, mainly for neck and nasolabial lines (which I'm starting to get very paranoid about - watch out for a few more of my distressed posts about this area on the forum).
Are CPs good for spot treatment such as nasiolabial lines?? |
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Thu May 03, 2007 8:02 am |
shimmie - if you go to the skin bio website, they have lots of info on the nasolabial line area and what products to use (of theirs!) to help that area. But, yes, you can spot treat! |
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