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Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:03 pm |
Dr. Haushcka's website goes off about how "like treats like" and oily skins should be normalized by applying oil, whereas dry skins should only get a *tiny* bit of moisture, to train the sebaceous glands to produce their own moisture (the link to this blurb on their site is http://www.drhauschka.com/about/7-facts/ ,then select #2).
I can see the logic behind this, and I do think it's an innovative approach to skincare. I also think that when I've used their Normalizing Day Oil or any similar thing on my oily skin, it seems to calm it down a bit.
However, I'm curious as to what people think about this, particularly for drier skin types - I find that my skin CRIES out for moisture when it's in dry mode, and I don't think something lighter feels good and I don't know that it ever "learns" to be more moisturized in, say, the winter months. I've tried going without a heavier moisturizer in winter but I just end up dull and flaky.
Another thing Dr. H claims is that you shouldn't wear a night cream, because your skin needs to "breathe" and regenerate at night. I can see the logic behind this, but again, I'm not 100% convinced. Also, is this true for other non-moisturizer treatments? For example, I apply a thin layer of Juice Beauty Blemish Clearing Serum to my whole face most nights, and I find that in addition to helping prevent breakouts, it helps exfoliate my skin gently with the salicylic acid. So I'm not sure I feel the need to stop, just so my skin can "breathe", when that actually means I get more clogged pores and acne.
I'd be curious as to what other Dr. H fans out there think - do you treat "like with like", or do you put on what feels good? Do you moisturize at night? And aside from Jurlique, does anyone know of any other skincare companies that subscribe to this philosophy of putting heavier creams on oilier skin and lighter creams on drier skin?
Sorry, too, if this has been discussed elsewhere, I'm happy to redirect myself to the appropriate existing thread but I couldn't find any in my searching. Thanks! |
_________________ 32, fair hair/eyes/skin, always a mix of dry/oily/sensitive/acne/clogged pores. But I keep getting compliments on my skin, so something must be working! Beauty blog at http://heliotro.pe; online dating coaching at http://theheartographer.com |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:53 pm |
To be quite honest, I think the good Dr. needs to think outside of the box on the skin moisturization problem.
The REAL way to enhance skin moisturization....dryness....or oilyness is DIET and drinking WATER. It's not that hard to comprehend. If you try to attack dry skin or oily skin with cosmetics that you put on the skin that's no different that putting a bandaid on a cut. The way to heal the cut is to not get the cut in the first place! And that is where diet and water comes in.
You have to drink water, and lots of it! Water keeps your body moisturized from the inside out. Don't believe me? Then try the skin pinch test. Pinch a section of skin on the back of your hand and "pull" it up slightly, then let go. If the skin remains "up" for a period of time before relaxing down, you are DEFINITELY dehydrated and need more water intake. If it "snaps" right back down in place then you are well hydrated and I'll bet dollars to donuts that your skin looks smooth and moist!
Now for diet, there are certain fatty acids, carbohydrates, proteins, and amino acids that you get from your diet. All of these add up to create the "sebum" that keeps your skin smooth and moist. If you are deficient in any of these, because of dieting, too low calorie count, vegetarian diet, etc. then your skin is going to suffer from lack of nutrients. It's at that point that the skin will look dull, less moist, and visually in need of a moisturizer.
So, keep that in mind. Feed yourself like you are fueling an expensive race car with 110 octane racing fuel. Your skin will instantly show a difference. Keep hydrated with water at all times. Eat properly and in the correct amounts, not limited calorie or special diets that can leave out essential fatty acids and amino acids.
John |
_________________ President and Chief Formulator for "Never Over The Hill Cosmetics" |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:14 pm |
John,
so eloquent! i think this could not be more true. we need to think about hydration and nutrition before we ever think about what or what not to put on our faces. for instance, i drank tons of h20 yesterday and today, and today my skin is indeed plumped and glowing. the fact that i switched sunscreens helps too
ginnilizz,
i agree with dr. hauschka for the most part, but sometimes if i do not wear a night cream (i use a combo of a toning night cream and rich oils, and i do something diff each night) while it is very very dry outside or if the heat is on, then my skin looks terrible in the morning. i try to aim for balance--i use a balancing cleanser, and i never overdo it with the oils.
i think the most important part of skincare is listening to your body, and hence your skin, everyday, and being sensitive to its changing needs.
--avalange |
_________________ http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:43 pm |
I also agree with John. You need to start from the inside for total skin care. I drink a ton of water all day long, I avoid caffeine and I take a lot of vitamin supplements. Now don't get me wrong, I also believe in using the right skin care product for the outside, but I do notice a difference when I forget to take my supplements and drink lots of water. My skin gets a dull look on those days. |
_________________ Early 50s, blonde hair (natural) with red streaks (mid-life crisis), blue eyes, fair skin, small pores, very dry skin, some pigmentation (thanks to growing up in Miami), starting to see fine lines. Love my NuFace and Quasar SP and the CPs and Retin A are working as well. |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:48 pm |
I agree with all of the above
I also think it depends on what climate you live in, when I am on holiday in hot, humid envirnments I never bother with a moisturiser at night but at home I do feel my skin go tight and cry out for hydration. |
_________________ oily/acne prone - acne scars on chin area/Large Pores in winter. Oily in Summer. Fair, nuetral/cool complexion, burn easily. Early 20s |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:12 pm |
The timing on this thread is perfect for me! I have FINALLY kicked the caffeine habit. It's only been a week, so I'm still working on increasing my water intake. Thanks for the pep talk, all! |
_________________ Nadine, age 50, live in VA; half-Asian, slight yellow tone; sensitive, dry/combo skin |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:24 pm |
I followed the Dr H regime for a long time, even after I stopped using the products I always used oil on my oily skin. I don't think this method is great for me because I always suffered from blocked pores and dehydration while trying condition my skin with "like with like". I also tried using rich creams but it did not help enough with my hydration.
Now I stick to a completely water based moisturiser, with just one drop of oil over the t-zone.
I occasionally use a Dr H mask or other thicker serum and my skin looks great the next day, but I can't continue to do this for more than 2 days and must exfoliate before and after as well. |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:34 pm |
I definitely agree with hydration and nutrition being key principles of skincare - it's funny how so many people rely wholly on creams and potions for these things! But still, nutrition aside, it's nice to hear users' input, since the Dr. H regime just seems so contrary to a lot of other skincare advice. I absolutely agree that you have to listen to your skin - another thing Dr. H preaches against is exfoliation, but my skin would be CRAZY and broken out all the time if I didn't exfoliate. I guess it goes to show that no extreme system is going to work perfectly without exception. Even the OCM fans on this forum agree that it's just not going to work for everyone. Thanks for the feedback though, folks - definitely food for thought.
Just curious, though - John, when you refer to your "snap" test, do you mean skin on the hand or face? |
_________________ 32, fair hair/eyes/skin, always a mix of dry/oily/sensitive/acne/clogged pores. But I keep getting compliments on my skin, so something must be working! Beauty blog at http://heliotro.pe; online dating coaching at http://theheartographer.com |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:50 pm |
I drink TONS of water, take vitamins and omega-3 supplements, take HA pills, and my skin is still dry! |
_________________ 28 / Asian / oily tzone + dehydrated / Acne under control, fading acne marks. Still have clogged pores. |
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:29 pm |
If one thing worked for everyone then EDS would sell one product line only. You have to do what works for you. Sun and being dehydrated are the worst things for skin...(I guess you could add in late nights so do as I say not what I do ) |
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:02 am |
I don't agree with the Dr Hauschka's advice because there can be many reasons why skin will over or under produce its own moisture and, many years ago, I got sucked into putting oil on oily skin only to make things worse.
I also don't totally agree with John's skin pinch test because as you age, the skin will take longer to return to normal no matter how good your diet is or how much water you drink.
I believe that products which are capable of going below the surface without clogging pores will normalise any skin, either dry or oily. I have had normal skin for quite a while now with the products I use but on occasions when I try something different then my skin reacts. |
_________________ Skin: Over 60, ex combination now sensitive, Cellcosmet |
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:12 am |
nadjazz wrote: |
The timing on this thread is perfect for me! I have FINALLY kicked the caffeine habit. It's only been a week, so I'm still working on increasing my water intake. Thanks for the pep talk, all! |
Congrats on kicking the caffeine habit. it was hard for me to do that as well. I suffered severe headaches while I was "coming off" caffeine. I am still happy I did that and haven't looked back. BTW, I'm sitting here drinking a wonderful cup of decaf tea. I also gave up soda at the same time and noticed a wonderful improvement in my skin. Good luck! |
_________________ Early 50s, blonde hair (natural) with red streaks (mid-life crisis), blue eyes, fair skin, small pores, very dry skin, some pigmentation (thanks to growing up in Miami), starting to see fine lines. Love my NuFace and Quasar SP and the CPs and Retin A are working as well. |
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:32 am |
I have dryish skin and I find that after doing it for a few days, I didn't need emu at night, but I do use my CPs and Ystheal which has some emollient properties I suppose. I am going to start a half face trial using CP accellerator in hte PM as well. |
_________________ my new jewellery website:www.gentle-medusa.com |
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:37 am |
I got sucked into the oils thing too and found that my pores got more congested over time.
Now I only use camellia oil on occasion and only a few drops. I do OCM off and on but I don't get any of the benefits that others give so I am pretty much giving up after my GOW bottle runs out. |
_________________ 28 / Asian / oily tzone + dehydrated / Acne under control, fading acne marks. Still have clogged pores. |
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:01 am |
I can only say what works for me...a few years ago i tried the Dr H method and it KILLED my skin. I spent tons of money and time and it never did work for me. I really loved the line's philosophy and ethics but my skin hated it. I do believe that your skin can be "trained" but I think I am very sensitive to EO and certain "natural" ingredents and this line was not good to my skin. |
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:06 am |
I worry about the alcohol content as this is used to carry the herb extracts and preserve the products.
I would love to know once and for all if alcohol is good or bad in skincare.
I suspect it depends on the percentage and they never tell you that do they |
_________________ "When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." |
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Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:34 am |
I tried the Dr. H method for quite a while this past year. My skin is on the dry side but I break out. I think I have decided that it's good for my skin to balance it out with a little bit of oil but I do not skip the nighttime moisture. I tried it but I don't like it. I have completely eliminated heavy moisturizers at night though and my skin loves it. So, overall it was good for me to try the routine but I can't do everything they recommend. |
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