Looking for the perfect lip stain/tint w/no flavor/texture
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free skin care · Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:59 pm

Don't worry, jper, it can be weird at first until it decides you're no longer a "new member". But thanks for risking the annoying messages and helping us out with this info! Theoretically I could contact a Senegence rep to get them - in fact, I'll go ahead and do that, and post on the site if/when I get a reply. Smile

I hate when products don't list ingredients on their site! It's fine in my opinion to put them on the box rather than the tube itself, but we should always be able to find ingredient lists online, grrr. They're not alone in this though, many companies don't.

free skin care · Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:05 pm

Just an update: I started fooling around in the "lab" again to see if I can create a decent "base" for a lip stain (i.e.: the stuff that the pigment is suspended in) -- I'm currently awaiting the arrival of some new ingredients to use (i.e.: "jojoba gel") in it, but once I can create a decent base for the stain (you don't want to use too many oil-based ingredients b/c that can prevent the stain from adhering to the lip surface properly, but you don't want the elephant-skin effect either so it's a fine line), it'll probably be a piece of cake to add the pigment/s so everyone can have their HG shade....once I get a stain-base that I'm happy with, I'll post the recipe.

I'm also interested in the ingredients for Senegence to see what makes it different from Vl and the others so if anyone finds them posted online anywhere, please share the link or cut+paste the ingredients here!

free skin care · Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:07 pm

I just emailed a rep, since the Senegence site was less than user-friendly for contact info unless you wanted to become a distributor. I'll update as soon as I can!

And Carrie, this is rad. I totally want to make my own stains, though I'm inexperienced with buying pigments. Still, very cool!

free skin care · Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:37 am

Okay, so my four VL stains I ordered just came yesterday. Baby Boo looks surprisingly awesome on me, as do Cupid's Breath and My Sunshine if I apply them with a nice, light touch and blot right away. And Cupid's Breath and My Sunshine look really good if I layer them with my HG Liquid Kiss - both are more reddish than the purply LK on me, and combined it looks like a brighter and darker version of my natural lip color, whereas Baby Boo was surprisingly subtle and natural on me. (I think that my overwhelmingly pink skin tones allow me to wear MUCH cooler colors than most people while having it still look natural.)

However, Angel's Touch is poison on me. It is super-dark purple (which I don't at all recall from the tester I tried!) and looks like a grape Kool-Aid Goth abomination, even if I do it super-light and scrub half of it off - the shade is just all wrong for me even if it's light, which it isn't by nature. Ah well, live and learn. Anyone want my once-used tube? I'd be happy to swap for something or just give it away and trust EDS-karma to do its job. PM me if interested. Smile

Oh yeah, and the Senegence rep I emailed asked for my mailing address to send me the ingredients. SO weird! I asked her if it couldn't be done over email, and she said no (with no explanation). So I gave her my work address, haha, since I don't particularly want my info to get put on a Senegence bulk mail list - our interaction was just weird and I got a strange vibe so I just didn't want to give out personal info. But my job here ends at the end of August, so hopefully she'll send it before I'm done here!

free skin care · Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:28 am

Here is another nice lip stain. I received it as a gift with purchase from EDS. Colorscience Finger Face Paints. The description below talks about it on cheeks. However, directions say for eyes and lips also. I received Face Paint in color Seduction. The color is very sheer and lasts hours. The only thing I did not care for was it has a hint of glitter. Very pretty and long lasting.Directions said to apply over gloss. Looked lovely on cheeks in evening.

Description:

Pure genius! Once you try Colorescience's new Finger Face Paints - you may never go back to traditional blush again. The super-smooth formula blends like a dream and once it dries it won't fade, smudge, or smear. You'll get color that glows from within and unlike other cream blushes - it will last all day. Clear, transparent color with the gilded accents of precious metals. Glides on like satin, dries like velvet. 0.25 fl. oz.

Right now I don't see it for sale on EDS. Got description from another site.

free skin care · Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:44 am

This thread got me using Cupid's Breath again. I had been using CK's tinted lip balms, which I love. Cupid's breath is actually too dramatic for me. Does anybody know if there's a muted version of it? On the whole, stains don't last long on my lips. I put it on at 8am (and feel that it's too intense) and, by 11am, I can't see anything.

free skin care · Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:05 pm

Agent OO-CAT wrote:

This thread got me using Cupid's Breath again. I had been using CK's tinted lip balms, which I love. Cupid's breath is actually too dramatic for me. Does anybody know if there's a muted version of it? On the whole, stains don't last long on my lips. I put it on at 8am (and feel that it's too intense) and, by 11am, I can't see anything.

Honestly, they're ALL too dramatic for me, that's why I apply my stains so lightly and immediately blot. I do think the VL ones last much longer than other brands. The Styli-Style and other marker-format ones are totally lighter, at least in the pale colors - but they really don't last, I find.

I wonder if you could dilute the Vincent Longo stains by adding a bit of water? I may just have to try that when one of my tubes gets low.

You might want to try the Lorac stains I reviewed, as I found them to be much lighter than the VL ones. In fact, let me know if you want me to decant you a bit of one when my empty applicator tubes finally arrive, so you can try them out yourself.

free skin care · Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:26 pm

Thanks ginnielizz. I shouldn't try anything else though as I have a few million lip products just languishing. Embarassed

free skin care · Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:45 pm

Hahahahah, I hear ya. I pretty much abandoned lipstick entirely when Grant and I started dating, since I don't like having to take it off to kiss him - so I have all these gorgeous shades just wasting away. At least it keeps pretty well!

free skin care · Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:46 pm

So hey, I finally got a pamphlet in the mail from the Senegence distributor that I had emailed ages ago. (I had asked her for the ingredients in the Senegene LipSense and she insisted on mailing them instead of email, so I gave her my work address thinking I wanted to avoid getting on some mass distribution list at home, and then promptly forgot to check for weeks...) anyway.

Senegence LipSense and LinerSense ingredients (for some reason the list is combined for the two):

Quote:

SD Alcohol 40-B, Acrylates/Octylacrylamide Copolymer, Isostearyl Alcohol, Silica, Fragrance (Parfum), Water (Aqua), Paeonia Suffruticosa Root Extract, Hypericum Perforatum Extract, Tilia Cordata Flower Extract, Isodinis Japonicus Extract. May Contain: Mica (CI 77019), Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), Iron Oxides (CI 77491, CI 77492, CI 77499), Bismuth Oxychloride (CI 77163), Ultramarines, Yellow 5 Lake (CI 19140), Orange 5 (CI 45370), Red 33 Lake (CI 17200), Blue 1 Lake (CI 42090) Red 7 Lake (CI 15850), Red 28 Lake (CI 45410), Red 6 Lake (CI 15850), Red 27 Lake (CI 45410:2), Hydrogenated Polyisobutene, Palmitic Acid, Methicone.

Man, was that a pain in the *ss to type in! At least now we know what it has... and I know I definitely won't be ordering any; not with alcohol as the first ingredient. I can understand why some stains dry people out with an ingredient like that! Plus, the whole potential allergic reaction to bismuth... but then again, stains aren't exactly Natural City, so I guess I shouldn't complain. Hope this helps in case anyone else was curious about these Senegence ones!

free skin care · Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:03 pm

IMHO The VL ones stained the insides of my lips but not the outsides (weird) .... the revlon bitten ones, however, were amazing - i just used my finger (although that gets stained Shock

) and let it dry before putting on a balm to keep them moisturised.
Ive also tried a Stila one (like the marker) and it was awful.

free skin care · Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:09 pm

Ha, that's so funny! For me it was the exact oppisite, the VL was great uniformly but the Revlon only stained the inside. Want my Revlon one in Berry Something? Smile

free skin care · Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:31 am

sorry if someone has posted this one already, but the NARS lip gloss stains are awesome. very full coverage, and don't emphasize flakes/cracks on your lips.

free skin care · Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:35 pm

ginnielizz wrote:

Also try using a Q-tip! Someone else posted that, and ever since starting that I find I like Benetint a lot better.

Ok, people are going to think this is weird, but I've found that my dream applicator for lip tints is a concealer brush. The synthetic fibers don't absorb the liquid, and the flat shape is easier (for me anyway) to work with than the standard skinny lip brushes (though maybe it's because I have fairly full lips); not to mention less fuzzy than a Q-tip. I can also, post a rave for the new Laura Mercier tints, which are really heavily pigmented "lipstick in a pot" sort of thing (also applied with a concealer brush). I do like the VL ones, but find because my lips are really dry and chapped, that the pigment sticks to the dry or damaged parts and not on my upper (less try) lip. It ends up looking like I have leprosy...

free skin care · Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:38 pm

Yeah, I too have the leprosy issue unless I exfoliate really well, and even then there are some chapped days that stain just doesn't work. But for the most part if I stay well-hydrated, it's not an issue.

Thanks for the concealer brush tip, I'm gonna try that now!

free skin care · Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:42 pm

BTW, I totally didn't mean to offend any lepers out there. It does, however, look a bit strange and not very healthy. Neutral

free skin care · Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:34 am

ginnielizz wrote:

Hi folks, I'm forever searching for the perfect lip color product that I can wear, and still kiss my boyfriend without having him recoil in horror (he REALLY doesn't like the taste or feel of any kind of balm/gloss/lipstick, no matter how mild!).

I've never tried Benetint, but I'm pretty fair and I am just worried it'll be too dark, and it's kind of a gross/unclean thing to sample a tester of! Others I've tried are these marker-like things Sephora made but then discontinued, and same with the Body Shop, now discontinued. But I find most of the time these are too dark for my fair skin, plus they do taste kinda chemical-y and they come off easily with just saliva so that's a no-go! I'd just like to be able to have something to wear occasionally, when I know we're gonna smooch. Smile

I'm fine wearing my normal glosses, etc. at work or out with the gals. Anyone have any recommendations?

Oh, and I prefer a stain/tint, not a stay-on lipstick like Revlon makes - those feel so drying! Sigh, maybe I'll start using a pink Sharpie!!! Ah, the irony, I'm usually so anti-chemical but for this purpose I want something lethally strong that can't just get wiped off if I take a sip of water!

Benefit is a good choice. A favorite of mine is also one by Sweet Leilani. Great for lips too.

http://www.sweetleilani.com/products_blusher.html

free skin care · Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:50 am

K, so, I finally got my Internet order of empty lip gloss tubes with wand applicators, and I finally got around to transferring some of my non-Vincent-Longo stains into Vincent-Longo-like containers.

The end result was... disappointing. I transferred in my Lorac and my Benetint, and I also created a tube combining a bit of both because, hey, why not? But the consistency was too watery, the stains didn't last, they still went on kind of blotchy/uneven, and they were easier to apply but didn't really look all that much better.

The moral of the story - it's not JUST the packaging. Vincent Long stains really are just vastly better. Too bad he doesn't make more shades!

free skin care · Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:37 pm

benetint is by far the best I've come across. It has small ingrediant list and I've had no reactions in my sensitive skin to it! It also leaves the most amazing rosy color, whether I'm "tanned" or not!

free skin care · Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:19 pm

So I was in Sephora recently, and I tried out the Vincent Longo pearlescent stain thingies, just to see what the heck they were.

Weird, is the answer. It's basically like a gloss combined with a stain. They had a freakishly over-pearly look when I swiped them on my hand, and they didn't seem to dry to a gloopless finish, but instead stayed wet. When I wiped them off, the stain mark of their base pigment remained.

What I like about these is that they have the same application and staying power (for the base pigment part) as VL's regular stains, but in lighter colors. All the regular ones are so dang dark that they can look really vampy on my super-fair complexion. So it was nice to see these lighter versions, but I don't think I'll actually buy them -- I don't want to have to swipe off the pearly gloopy sparkly stuff every time. (And I really, really did NOT like the look of the pearly part, at least not for me.)

Anyway, just thought I'd post this blurb in case any of you were curious!

free skin care · Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:07 pm

I really like benetint. I use it for my lips and cheeks and it goes well on my pale skin. I have the pocketpal and it's pretty convenient but I don't like the gloss that's attached to it that much. I had never thought of trying Vincent Longo but from reading this thread it appears like it's a winner.

Ginnielizz, is liquid kiss still your favorite? I wanted something subtle and thought maybe baby boo would be better but which one would you suggest I try first if I was only going to try one? It sounds like we have similar coloring so I thought I would take advantage of your VASTE experience in trying so many stains out!!
Thanks Laughing

free skin care · Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:27 am

Has anyone ever used a henna or herb based product? Ingredients listed are: Barberry Root Powder, Bees wax, Cosmetic color, Glycerin, Flower scent and Mineral water.

The one I was looking at was hennaking dot com. It is considered a cosmetic stain. I don't know if it actually contains any real henna.

free skin care · Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:05 am

I use benetint, but also use NARS as well.
They have a shade called Sayonara, that seems to work well on a range of people. I know reese witherspoon uses it, and she is fair and blonde, and I use it as well, and I'm tanned and brunette.

free skin care · Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:54 pm

I love the Estee Lauder lip stains. They have a great tint, but not the sticky feeling.

free skin care · Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:41 pm

I'm glad that Benetint works for so many, but I'd like to put a word of warning out to those who are fragrance sensitive.

Benetint REALLY smells like roses. And if you're prone to headaches etc from perfumes and the like, you might have problems with Benetint.

I did. It was very very sad.

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