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Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:48 pm |
pinky1 wrote: |
I'm not talking droopy outer lips here, it was those inner ones that obviously wanted to see something of the world. Some parts of us are made longer than others, and I appear to have the labia version of Morton's Toe.
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Wasn't there a couple on Dr 90210 last year where the woman went in to get herself, uhhh, rearranged down there and the man had the opposite problem - his boys weren't ready to "see" the world yet?
This thread has my blushing crimson (or maybe that's "Aunt Ruby" coming for a visit ) |
_________________ 46, curly dk blonde hair, fair, blue eyes, very oily T-zone. HGs: Tazorac .05% gel; Avene/Bioderma s/s (very high spf AND ppd); Cellbone vit Cie 20%; Cellbone Hyperpeptides; IFP 5% bha/10% aha; Obagi Clear; 'curly girl' method (no poo, just co wash) for my 3b curls. |
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Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:06 pm |
pinky1 wrote: |
Some parts of us are made longer than others, and I appear to have the labia version of Morton's Toe.
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I had to do a Google search to find out what Morton's Toe is ... I am still giggling ... |
_________________ It's vanity, not sanity ... 51; sensitive combo skin with mild rosacea -- my skin loves my Clarisonic, Dr. Mist and Mario Badescu Enzyme Cleansing Gel |
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Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:27 pm |
HannaLee wrote: |
Is the skin 'down there' more sensitive than say the eyebrow region? I had my eyebrows waxed once before, but rather than the few hours of inflammation, I had a week of red soreness (i have sensitive skin on my face, never paid attention elsewhere) |
It is a lot more sensitive then the eyebrow region. I can wax my brows at home without blinking. Waxing down there... very different. It was red and irritated when I did it. It was bad. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:43 am |
pinky1 wrote: |
I'm not talking droopy outer lips here, it was those inner ones that obviously wanted to see something of the world. Some parts of us are made longer than others, and I appear to have the labia version of Morton's Toe.
It doesn't matter to me but I gotta say it's not the prettiest sight I can think of. |
There are actually quite a lot of guys who love long inner labs. I think a lot of women's unhappiness witht eh shape of their labs is because of the way we are innundated with ------------ so we all expect to have neet little lips etc and if we don't we want them 'corrected' cosmetically.
Personally I think ALL vaginas are beautiful.
Hope this doesn't get picked as a random post in the shop side of eds |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:29 am |
I too have been shaving it all for years, never tried waxing though and don't really dare to. I do it because my SO wants me to, on a personal level I feel neutral about it, I don't really care whether I shave it all off or not.
I have not had any hygiene issues, itchiness or anything like that. In fact I feel a bit more hygienic down there with it shaved clean during the summer. I use 2 shavers, one for the outside area and one for the inner area. I use Schick Intuition because I really like their soap thingie as I hate shaving foams/creams in that area because it really takes away the visibility and you definitely don't want to nick yourself down there. Then I use a thinner shaver for the inner area because stuff like Venus doesn't appear if they would work because you want a rectangular shaver for the inner area because that shape just works better. Plus the thinner the shaver/blade the more control you'll have. But I plan on trying Quattro in that area to see if it would work just as well once my current shaver blade wears out. I can get it fairly clean but as you know with shaving, hair grows back FAST. So if your shaving purpose is a trip to the beach then waxing might be better, but since I shave for my SO it's not a problem for me. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:06 am |
guapagirl wrote: |
Hope this doesn't get picked as a random post in the shop side of eds |
I would pay good money to see that happen. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:00 am |
Melanie H - no, it's never irritated my skin when I've used a razor; however when I once foolishly used an electric shaver, yes it did. No, never a moment's thought my DH has ever had child-molester tendencies. No, never wanted a tattoo or piercing or anything else there. I agree (as usual) with Guapagirl, all 'girlie parts' are different but beautiful, much like women in their entireties.
All this current genital-altering surgery is bunk, IMO, unless there's some deformity or injury that's happened there. It's just PS's making scads more $$, making us think there's yet another thing wrong with women that has to be surgically altered. What a bunch of crapola. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:37 am |
WOW, my post has stirred quite a lot of responses and on lookers. So I am shocked that more people do shave it off. and I appreciate the fact that I am learning alot. I am not sure if I will like it, so I am considering maybe leaving a small patch and working into removing the whole thing. I am wondering if my "lips" are as some of you described larger than maybe I want to show off. That scares me. Another thing I just have to rant about, I went out and bought a new Braun-Epil at Linens and Things last night. Thinking after all the great reviews on MUA. I thought instead of waxing my legs and bikini area, I could use this. BOY I don't know which of you ladies use this, but I could stand the pain...that was not the problem. The problem was the thing CUT the hairs and not pulled them out. So it left stubble marks that were worse than shaving. And bumps to boot that are still there this morning. I wanted it to rip my hair out by the roots, not cut them off into stubble. Where did I or it go wrong. Can anyone reccomend a GREAT electric razor? I am sure I am going to have to tackle my "bush" with an electric razor to get rid of the bulk? |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:45 am |
Well, no, you won't need an electric shaver, just trim it closely first where you intend to shave it off, with cuticle scissors (rounded tips!), and then shave it. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:51 am |
HannaLee wrote: |
Is the skin 'down there' more sensitive than say the eyebrow region? I had my eyebrows waxed once before, but rather than the few hours of inflammation, I had a week of red soreness (i have sensitive skin on my face, never paid attention elsewhere) |
Unlike the taut skin of your brow line, your bikini area has a lot of loose skin with plenty of "give" in all directions. Waxing can be much more painful if not done properly.
I have experience with both waxing and shaving, and I can tell you that the first time you do either your skin is most certainly going to react much more than it will any subsequent times.
When shaving, I recommend first trimming down with scissors as close to the skin as possible and then taking a long warm bath. Let the skin hydrate and the pores open up. Apply your shaving cream a few times during the course of the bath for optimal results. I would even recommend using a gentle pre-shave oil to help reduce redness after the fact.
Use a fresh razor blade. If it comes with a lubrication strip, under a warm tap for a few minutes. This will help it glide along your skin smoothly. Always to the direction of your hair growth. Do not stretch out the skin beyond the point that it naturally sits. You want to cut the hairs down to a length that lies even with your skin, no deeper. Don't press harder than you have to, don't shave the same area more than once and don't let the thought of shaving "against the grain" even cross your mind.
After shaving, wash the area with a mild cleanser and apply a gentle post-shave oil and moisturiser. Avoid towel drying the area when you're finished. The irritation will just cause further redness in the area. Also avoid wearing any tight fitting underwear or pants the first few hours following your shave. It's best to do it in the evening and sleeping it off.
Unfortunately the smooth shave will only last two or three days before you begin to feel the stubble. It will definitely become a distraction the first time you do it, regardless of whether you've successfully avoided razor bumps and in-grown hair. Hairs cut by a razor always leave a sharp point, due to the angle at which they are cut. Most of you should know that this is the cause of ingrown hairs. The stubble will likely brush up against you underwear in a manner similar to touching a man with a five o'clock shadow.
Personally, I prefer waxing. But I would recommend shaving to anyone who is just experimenting. Leave the waxing, perhaps if only just the first few times, to a professional. Even if you're determined to do it yourself, it helps to follow by their example.
The procedure for waxing is generally the same as doing any other part of your body, just on a smaller scale. Strips should be no longer than 1.5" and avoid going over the same area too many times. Please remember that the hairs are rooted much MUCH deeper than your brows, thus the immediate discomfort will be much greater.
Each method has its pro's and cons. Shaving, as discussed in great detail throughout this thread, can lead to serious irritation from razor bumps and ingrown hairs that can take weeks to heal. However, after the first few times you will get used to it and you will be able to shave on a regular basis. I can shave every two days to keep the area clear of stubble with little or no irritation.
Waxing will, of course, leave you with a much smoother area for a much longer period, unfortunately before you can wax again you have to let the hair grow out long enough for waxing to be effective.
The choice is yours, but I definitely recommend going bare at least once in your life, if just to experiment. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:29 pm |
Uy, like Diana I shaved it off for a high school boyfriend twice (don't know HOW I didn't learn my lesson after doing it once!). It was incredibly itchy and pokey growing back in, and my hair down there is quite prickly so I got a lot of icky irritated ingrown hairs. It was really not very attractive. I did it because I knew he'd get a kick out of it, which he did, but it's not something I ever hope to do again. My current SO, and the one I expect is a keeper for life, doesn't get into the shaved look - trim and clean bikini area is what floats his boat, which I'm glad for because that's what I like best too.
I've gotten a leg wax and an underarm wax once in the US, and I get my brows waxed maybe twice a year or so. But I had never gotten a bikini wax before. Then, when I moved to Spain, I decided to give it a try. The waxing salons over there are much different - they use a different method and are MUCH cheaper! Many don't even have appointments, haha - women line up at opening and wait for a spot. Different world.
The wax they use is like this big glob of stuff that looks like Nickelodeon's GAK and hardens to a stiff texture after it cools, which happens quite quickly. They spread the GAK directly on your skin (no cloth strips, no painting it on with a popsicle stick) and it hardens and they pull it off real quick. But it's over faster than a US wax since it's all one piece - kind of like a creepy cast/mold of your nether regions, haha.
And here's the best part - this cost me THREE EUROS in Spain (in 2002). At a relatively nice salon!!! I think most US bikini waxes are in the realm of $30 for the cheap ones, and I'm sure it goes way up from there - and I'm not about to go to a cheap place for something that delicate/sensitive, I don't want hot wax getting dribbled on any of my favorite bits, if you get my drift. I'm something of a novice when it comes to being waxed, as my stats above indicate, but I will TOTALLY get a bikini wax every time I go to Spain from now on, because it's just such a good deal!
Anyway. Not sure if this helps you or not, but I just thought I'd share, haha. FYI since I get incredibly irritated skin if I shave even my bikini area, I use a Bikini Touch hair trimmer that's similar to a men's beard trimmer, it cuts very close to the skin but not quite at it, so the hairs can't poke the inside of the follicle and get inflamed/ingrown. It's a $10 device, and I find it works best if I lightly dust the area (I used to use Lush's Silky Underwear dusting powder, but lately I've been using my Jurlique Rose Silk Dust and it works like a charm and calms my skin!). And it has attachments so you can trim the hair shorter, but not bald, so I just keep it "trim" down there, not shaved. My SO likes it this way, and I find it's the only affordable US option that doesn't screw with my skin.
Oh, and even with that fab Euro wax, I still got bumps/ingrown hairs from the regrowth process. I'm just really, really prone to that, so the Bikini Touch is the only viable method for me, really. I posted more about it on the Brazilian wax thread, I think. Hope this helps! |
_________________ 32, fair hair/eyes/skin, always a mix of dry/oily/sensitive/acne/clogged pores. But I keep getting compliments on my skin, so something must be working! Beauty blog at http://heliotro.pe; online dating coaching at http://theheartographer.com |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:49 pm |
The Spanish wax you describe sounds like a form of sugaring aka sugar wax:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugaring_%28epilation%29
for some reason the link is getting messed up so try cutting and pasting the whole thing into the address line
I think Nads would be considered a form of sugaring. |
_________________ 42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:28 pm |
Chocolat wrote: |
I agree (as usual) with Guapagirl, all 'girlie parts' are different but beautiful, much like women in their entireties.
All this current genital-altering surgery is bunk, IMO, unless there's some deformity or injury that's happened there. It's just PS's making scads more $$, making us think there's yet another thing wrong with women that has to be surgically altered. What a bunch of crapola. |
OK chocolat, I officially love you!
Re electric shavers, Seiko do a thing called the cleancut which is designed for just this thing! You need to get the hairs trimmed short first with a little electric trimmer or wait til you have a bit of stubble after a wet shave. If you do it every other day, you get super smooth skin and no nicks or ingrowns. You can even use it on testicles! Not that Guapaboy let me do more than just test you understand!
... which leads onto men who shave their nether bits? Personally I find it a bit yuk but then I like hairy men! |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:33 pm |
Gah, I don't like the men shaving their boy bits. I like the hairy men too, though I'm also just fine with my nearly-bare SO (I think I have more hair on my legs than he has on his, hahahah) but I really don't like the sensation of shaved testicles. They prick you in the most unpleasant of places! And I dated another guy who trimmed his pubes right down to the skin, and I don't get it. I think they just do it to make their members look bigger, haha. We're hip to those tricks, though. |
_________________ 32, fair hair/eyes/skin, always a mix of dry/oily/sensitive/acne/clogged pores. But I keep getting compliments on my skin, so something must be working! Beauty blog at http://heliotro.pe; online dating coaching at http://theheartographer.com |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:43 pm |
ginnielizz wrote: |
I think they just do it to make their members look bigger, haha. |
It's really more of a choice regarding hygiene and cleanliness. Leaving pubic hair unkempt can lead to some embarrassing situations. More importantly, men tend to perspire from their nether-regions. Pubic hair prevents the sweat from leaving the surface of the skin. All of that moisture and movement can eventually lead to unpleasant skin conditions and chaffing. Very irritating, very unattractive. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:45 pm |
Hm, I never thought of that. I still find it kind of a turnoff, but I guess if someone had pubic dermatitis or something I'd change my tune! Do women have the same perspiration issue, do you know? |
_________________ 32, fair hair/eyes/skin, always a mix of dry/oily/sensitive/acne/clogged pores. But I keep getting compliments on my skin, so something must be working! Beauty blog at http://heliotro.pe; online dating coaching at http://theheartographer.com |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:06 pm |
Well my SO is coming back after a two month backpacking european adventure, so I was contemplating doing it then...IF i were to go through with it, I'd opt for a professional wax, I sometimes shave just the bikini area for beach outings but the grow-back is just awful (and having dark hair doesn't make it look very nice when shaved either :S)
My only concern was my previous waxing experience...i mean if my eyebrows couldn't handle it, i'm worried about my netherregions being all the more sensitive! |
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Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:51 pm |
bergquis wrote: |
Braun-Epil at Linens and Things last night. Thinking after all the great reviews on MUA. I thought instead of waxing my legs and bikini area, I could use this. BOY I don't know which of you ladies use this, but I could stand the pain...that was not the problem. The problem was the thing CUT the hairs and not pulled them out. So it left stubble marks that were worse than shaving. And bumps to boot that are still there this morning. I wanted it to rip my hair out by the roots, not cut them off into stubble. Where did I or it go wrong. Can anyone reccomend a GREAT electric razor? I am sure I am going to have to tackle my "bush" with an electric razor to get rid of the bulk? |
REALLY? I've used mine for years and think I may be due for a new one. I sure hope I get one that rips and not tears!!! |
_________________ Cheers - Ruth/4sons 56 yrs. old, combination skin, getting tired ... |
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Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:25 am |
skinchat wrote: |
ginnielizz wrote: |
I think they just do it to make their members look bigger, haha. |
It's really more of a choice regarding hygiene and cleanliness. Leaving pubic hair unkempt can lead to some embarrassing situations. More importantly, men tend to perspire from their nether-regions. Pubic hair prevents the sweat from leaving the surface of the skin. All of that moisture and movement can eventually lead to unpleasant skin conditions and chaffing. Very irritating, very unattractive. |
Wouldn't the chaffing of stubble make it worse? Guapaboy as well as being very hairy (think gorilla ) also does lots of biking, hiking and walking long distance but has never had any problems. I think it would only be an issue if you didn't wash regularly. I'm with ginnieliz, I think they do it to make themselves look bigger. |
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Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:56 am |
I shave completely now and again but it feels weird to me plus i dont like the camel toe look!
Im just very well groomed now |
_________________ 39, in Australia, using retin a, Skin actives I Bright and Antiaging Cream, change sunscreen regularly currently. |
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Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:49 pm |
Chocolat wrote: |
Melanie H - no, it's never irritated my skin when I've used a razor; however when I once foolishly used an electric shaver, yes it did. No, never a moment's thought my DH has ever had child-molester tendencies. No, never wanted a tattoo or piercing or anything else there. I agree (as usual) with Guapagirl, all 'girlie parts' are different but beautiful, much like women in their entireties.
All this current genital-altering surgery is bunk, IMO, unless there's some deformity or injury that's happened there. It's just PS's making scads more $$, making us think there's yet another thing wrong with women that has to be surgically altered. What a bunch of crapola. |
Chocolat,
I was definitely thinking more along the lines of the morton's toe thing -- being more bare and possibly chafing more against the underwear. I think most people will agree that cosmetic surgery on the labia is nuts.
But it's also striking that the two people who most vocally stated in this thread that all female genitalia are beautiful would be two who not only remove s good portion of the hair from their own, but who remove absolutely all of it and maintain that look. In the US among younger people than I and in some circles it has become de rigeur to remove it all, or close to all, rendering natural adult pubic hair unacceptable and most certainly unbeautiful. I have succumbed to this to a degree myself, but the whole trend depresses me. And I have been troubled by requests from men to shave or epilate completely. The most recent one himself has some serious body-dismorphic issues -- has hard two plastic surgeries in his 20's, waxes his own chest, spends much time in the gym pursuing leanness and washboard abs, grooms his own private regions, wears eye-color-changing contact lenses, colors his hair, all the while neglecting things about himself that desperately need work -- sad and troubling to me... I don't know what it all means... |
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Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:26 pm |
It's a lot of work and not for me, having tried it a few times! |
_________________ about to hit my 40s, retin-a user, differin, LRP |
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:11 am |
melanie haber wrote: |
I was definitely thinking more along the lines of the morton's toe thing -- being more bare and possibly chafing more against the underwear.
But it's also striking that the two people who most vocally stated in this thread that all female genitalia are beautiful would be two who not only remove s good portion of the hair from their own, but who remove absolutely all of it and maintain that look. |
Well as one of 'em I have to come right out and say that actually I thought EVERYBODY had the morton's toe thing! I mean isn't it normal then? And if you do have long labia and worry about them chaffing if you go totally bare, well mine don't is all I can say and yes, they are as sensitive as ever!
I do however agree about being shaved is now de rigour to the extent that not shaving now seems to be fetishised.
I think it's a personal choice thing and something that some like and some don't. Some, like me do it because it makes sex better, some because of neatness or supposed hygiene issues. Either way it does grow back if it is removed manually.
The biggest irony of course is being obsessed with anti-aging etc, the only people who don't have pubic hair apart from children are really old people.
Hell, it may be that guys who like a shaven haven aren't into kids, but grannies |
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:46 am |
Into grannies? OK, that's a keeper. Every day he'll be more interested in me, instead of less. |
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