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can people with rosacea use abrasion/repair to improve skin?
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:43 pm      Reply with quote
i just read about it on the forums here, a reference to someone using an eyebrow brush and copper peptides and emu oil etc.

the concept of irritating the skin and then using good repair methods makes sense. i always thought that if a wound didn't heal properly, you may have to "reopen" the wound and then heal it right.

so can we with rosacea use microdermabrasion and such if we also use powerful repair products?
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:34 pm      Reply with quote
No Rubicon, irritation of any type of skin is not the goal. You should use gentle products and forget about physical scrubs. I've had very good success with Paula's Choice beta hydroxy lotion. There is aspirin type ingredient in the product that will alleviate irritation associated with rosacea as well. This is a very good product. Here is some interesting reading from her website.

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Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:23 pm      Reply with quote
I agree with Susie. For Rosacea skin you should stay away from microdermabrasion or any form of physical exploitation. One book may interest you - "The skin type solution" by Dr.Leslie Baumann. In her book she gives more advices on how to take care of Rosacea skin. HTH
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:14 pm      Reply with quote
Rubicon,
SusieQ and iamei are right. The goal is not irritation, but mild exfoliation to promote cell turnover. Physical exfoliation will aggravate your rosacea. Depending on how much exfoliation I need, I use Exfol serum or PSF Pumpkin Enzyme Peel.

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Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:40 pm      Reply with quote
thanks, everyone. but then how are we with rosacea supposed to get the amazing skin remodeling that other people get? i know it's not gonna happen with mild exfoliation.

i've just got some lines to get rid of, and i feel i need something powerful. i was very inspired by Scaliwaggirl's stories on here, so i thought maybe i could do something like that. and i've read of people with rosacea using some retinoids. i figured retinoids, copper peptides (although i thought i read something about CP inducing angiogenesis - not good for rosacea - somewhere), and some healing things and i could remodel my skin.

i guess not? :/

btw, my rosacea is mild. i mostly get a low-level redness (often not very noticeable), and some flushing now and then. i hardly think about my rosace anymore, except with regard to picking gentle products (i know - you all just told me to use gentle products).
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:10 am      Reply with quote
please, rubicon, DON'T consider adopting scally's regimen!
Your rosacea will only get worse. You might want to consider a retinoid product that exfoliates--they tend to be less irritating for some than most other acids. I think I have pre-rosacea skin (telangiectasia, prone to flushing, etc.) and the apeel from perfectcomplexion.net worked beautifully for me--no irritation, but it took an entire layer of skin off, revealing newer, much younger looking skin. BUT you would really have to email with Julie, the owner, in order to figure out a sensical regimen with these products. For example, a user on this forum actually GOT rosacea from using these products. You MUST be careful if you do not want to ruin your skin.


Also, differin is a good option for you, most likely!

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Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:58 am      Reply with quote
thank you! i didn't want to copy her regimen, though i may have aspired to some of it or at least the copper peptides (which i'm researching and becoming wary of). i wanted something along those lines, though, so i appreciate the encouragement. i know if i'm careful and pick the *right* products, as you say, i may be able to gently coax my skin into exfoliation and repair (i guess that may be similar enough to the irritation and repair).

and yes, i think glycolic peels years ago accelerated my rosacea. that's when i first noticed flushing. it may have gone into hiding then, til other things triggered it.

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please, rubicon, DON'T consider adopting scally's regimen!
Your rosacea will only get worse. You might want to consider a retinoid product that exfoliates--they tend to be less irritating for some than most other acids. I think I have pre-rosacea skin (telangiectasia, prone to flushing, etc.) and the apeel from perfectcomplexion.net worked beautifully for me--no irritation, but it took an entire layer of skin off, revealing newer, much younger looking skin. BUT you would really have to email with Julie, the owner, in order to figure out a sensical regimen with these products. For example, a user on this forum actually GOT rosacea from using these products. You MUST be careful if you do not want to ruin your skin.


Also, differin is a good option for you, most likely!

--avalange
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:59 am      Reply with quote
As a rosacean I avoid scrubbing like the plague. But product build-up, sebum, and dead cells are not easy to dispell with normal cleansing after a while, so I was really excited when I read about dermabrasion, thiking that it might not irritate my skin as mechanical scrubbing/peeling does, and do some good on my scars and rough, uneven skin. I used Vichy's microdermabrasion 4-step kit because a) it has a very reasonable price than other kits on the market, and b) it's a pharmaceutical brand.

I went really easy with the 1st step, which is massaging the face with the dermabrasion cream, and though my face was noticeably red afterwards, step 3 has a calming spray which helped with the redness. The follow-up cream that's in the kit (high concentration of vitamin C) didn't irritate me at all, but it wasn't too moisturizing either. The kit has more than enough product for 4 times (4 weeks).
My skin was very soft afterwards, a bit red, but I didn't see any improvement on pore tightening as it was advertised.

Bottomline, microdermabrasion wasn't too bad for my redness and it did gave me a smooth skin surface, but that didn't last after the program (4 weeks) was finished, neither scarrring and large pores improved.

Hope this helps!
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Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:43 am      Reply with quote
Most of the estheticians and all my docs/derms preach AGAINST heavy scrubbing/aggrvation of rosacea skin. I use IPL's, light peels and the Mia.

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Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:39 am      Reply with quote
I agree with the others definitely do not do any manual exfoliation.

You an try chemical exfoliation, mandelic or salicylic acids.
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Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:12 pm      Reply with quote
I would not advise anyone with rosacea to use peels from perfect complexion since, I am inclined to think that I got broken caps from using her peels (and I only used the mildest).

The only peel that I was able to use without exacerbating the redness is NCN Skincare Pro Pumpkin peel. But I never used it for more than 2 minutes.



avalange wrote:
please, rubicon, DON'T consider adopting scally's regimen!
Your rosacea will only get worse. You might want to consider a retinoid product that exfoliates--they tend to be less irritating for some than most other acids. I think I have pre-rosacea skin (telangiectasia, prone to flushing, etc.) and the apeel from perfectcomplexion.net worked beautifully for me--no irritation, but it took an entire layer of skin off, revealing newer, much younger looking skin. BUT you would really have to email with Julie, the owner, in order to figure out a sensical regimen with these products. For example, a user on this forum actually GOT rosacea from using these products. You MUST be careful if you do not want to ruin your skin.


Also, differin is a good option for you, most likely!

--avalange
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