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Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:30 am  |
Well I'm not sure about this Hope's Relief Cream. I've been using it for a week and I don't think it's helping. It still stings when I put it on and it makes my face bright red and hot. I don't like irritating my face more than it already is so I believe I will call it quits on this stuff.
On a side note... has anyone tried Mychelle's Capillary Calming Serum? It looks really nice and I've heard good things about that line. |
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Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:55 pm |
| Does anyone have any suggestions regarding IPL and which 'machine' is best? e.g. Aurora, IPL with RF, etc. |
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Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:24 pm |
| I've had one IPL treatment just over 2 weeks ago. No improvement in my rosacea yet, but I don't expect any results until after at least 3 sessions. I believe their machine is called the Palomar RejuveLux. I'll keep you posted. |
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Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:34 am |
I just got my MSM yesterday. I think I read somewhere that it works best w/ Vit C. Is this correct? Is there a certain amount that I need to take?
I've also ordered some MSM powder and silymarin (milk thistle) powder to add to a serum. I have read that people who use these topically have noticed reduction in redness and broken caps. |
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Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:47 pm |
| Well I just mixed up my serum. It contains MSM, silymarin, HA and natural active peptides. I'm excited to try it. It doesn't smell very good and doesn't look like much either. Wish me luck! |
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Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:02 am |
Well I'm pretty much talking to myself in this thread but I want to keep it updated.
I've been using my homemade MSM serum for a week now and I'm already seeing great results. My redness has toned down and my skin is less reactive. I'm also taking the MSM internally.
I hope the results will continue to get better with use. |
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Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:16 pm |
| I take MSM and milk thistle internally, but I have never thought to use it externally. Interesting, keep us posted. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:34 pm |
I got the idea from multiple places one being this thread: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=23992&highlight=
The other being the fact that the popular redness reducing product Rosacure uses both MSM and milk thistle as the main ingredients. I believe Rosacure is only available in Canada and it's pretty expensive. |
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Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:05 pm |
| Broken_Princess, that's great news! Please keep us posted on your progress. |
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Nadine, age 50, live in VA; half-Asian, slight yellow tone; sensitive, dry/combo skin |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:01 am |
| MSM has anti-inflammatory properties, which is likely what is helping your facial redness. MSM will not, however, eradicate the underlying cause of the rosacea. |
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Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:49 pm |
Well since there is no "cure" for rosacea I doubt anything will eradicate the cause. At this point I just like not having a red face all the time.
All is still going well. My skin is looking great. |
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Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:57 pm |
| Has anyone here experienced eye problems with their rosacea? I get swollen eyelids that flake and are bright red. It's awful! I also have dryness under my eyes, on my cheeks and in my eyebrows. I was told that I have an overgrowth of fungus. I bought some Nizoral but I'm a little scared to try it, since I have terrible dryness already. The doctor also gave me samples of Dermatop (a topical cortisteroid) and Loprox (a topical antifungal) to mix together and apply of my affected areas. |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:41 am |
| CMAYC wrote: |
| Has anyone here experienced eye problems with their rosacea? I get swollen eyelids that flake and are bright red. It's awful! I also have dryness under my eyes, on my cheeks and in my eyebrows. I was told that I have an overgrowth of fungus. I bought some Nizoral but I'm a little scared to try it, since I have terrible dryness already. The doctor also gave me samples of Dermatop (a topical cortisteroid) and Loprox (a topical antifungal) to mix together and apply of my affected areas. |
My eyelids aren't red but my eyes themselves tend to be red, and I'm sure it's related to the rosacea. I went for an eye exam a week ago and my opthamologist thought I should try Restasis. It takes 4 weeks to work, so it is too soon to tell what it is going to do (if anything). What is surprising to me is how well I am tolerating it, as my eyes are very sensitive and I'm not able to use most eye drops. |
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It's vanity, not sanity ... 51; sensitive combo skin with mild rosacea -- my skin loves my Clarisonic, Dr. Mist and Mario Badescu Enzyme Cleansing Gel |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:13 am |
It is not entirely true that there is no "cure" for rosacea, Broken Princess. The underlying cause of rosacea is thought to be a fungus, which explains why certain foods and topicals would exacerbate rosacea symptoms (by increasing fungal growth via certain skin excretions, associated changes in skin pH and because weakened skin affords ideal conditions for the growth of fungal colonies).
MSM will not address the fungus, as that is not among the properties of the substance. MSM has anti-inflammatory qualities, but not anti-fungal.
Since I have been regularly using Nizoral, an anti-fungal, my rosacea is essentially gone. Cured? Well now, that's just semantics. Since rosacea sufferers have a propensity for this abnormal influx of fungal growth, we are constantly at risk for the rosacea returning. Therefore, I will always have to keep the fungal growth in check, and will do so with intermittent Nizoral treatments.
I now only use Nizoral once every week to ten days, for maintenance, i.e. to keep the fungal load within normal range. Initially I used Nizoral very day to every other day, despite the expected irritation and flaking of the fungus damaged skin. I'm not suggesting that Nizoral is the only anti-fungal appropriate for rosacea, but it very surely does work, is inexpensive, is easy to apply, and is most certainly a solution to the problem of rosacea. I might suggest that those who found Nizoral to be initially too irritating should try MSM along with the Nizoral, to reduce inflammation as the Nizoral reduces the fungal load. Reducing inflammation isn't enough, you also need to reduce the fungal growth causing the rosacea. |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:53 am |
I used the Nizoral last night and again this morning. I actually found it quite soothing. It left a cooling sensation. I expected it to be irritating so this was a little surprising. Maybe the irritation comes later (?)
I'm also using the combination of my anti-fungal and corti-steriod cream, just until it feels a bit better. I look like I've been beat up...all swollen, red and dry. Every time I look in the mirror, I cringe at the sight of myself. 
MBgirl...you answered my question about how often to use the Nizoral, thank you. Could you tell me about how long it took to see results and what exactly happened to your skin during the process? Did the damaged skin peel right off eventually? If so, how long did that take? |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:20 pm |
I used the Nizoral for about two weeks initially, before the rosacea resolved and I began weekly maintenance treatments. My skin now shows no signs of rosacea.
The peeling/flaking can begin the next day, or after up to two days...depending on the user's skin type and the severity of the rosacea. The flaking skin is previously damaged skin, i.e. that which the fungus has already damaged and that which would shed itself anyway...which is why flaking is part of rosacea regardless of the initial Nizoral treatments. The difference is the flaking isn't constant with Nizoral, because the Nizoral stops the fungus from damaging more skin. With Nizoral, the flaking of previously damaged skin lasts for a day to three days (generally) and then subsides.
When using Nizoral, the flaking is actually a good thing, because damaged skin is being discarded to reveal healthy skin beneath. Also, rosacea can be made worse when flakes of damaged skin are allowed to remain upon healthy skin, as the skin surface then becomes a growth environment for fungus, with more surface upon which to spread. Note that after the flaking you will initially see red albeit smoother skin beneath---continued treatment will better address the redness. My redness took about a week to completely resolve.
Remember that you are eradicating a fungus that has been upon your skin for a while, causing damage, so be mindful to give the Nizoral time to control the fungus; it will NOT happen overnight, but nor did the fungal overgrowth that causes your rosacea happen overnight.
Again, this is a general timeline of improvement, because some people have worse rosacea than others, or have skin that reacts more acutely to Nizoral than others...but Nizoral DOES work and the key is to continue with Nizoral despite initial irritation and peeling. |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:38 pm |
Thanks for the great info, MBGirl! I'm going to follow through with the Nizoral. I'm also continuing my IPL treatments, so maybe the combination of the two will help me get my skin back. Sadly, I used to have beautiful, flawless skin.
You also mentioned in your post how certain foods increase fungal growth. I'm assuming sugar is a culprit. What else? |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:25 pm |
The topical fungal relationship to aquiring rosacea seems WAY too far out for me. I think it has to do with several logical/empirically tested factors, such as: congenital constitution, thus inherited tendency to have more redness,flushing, oily, acne prone skin or circulatory issues (hence the chronic eurethema associated with R).
2. All individuals with R have had CHRONIC digestive disorders,over used antibiotics, or some OTHER internall issue that has been going on for a LONG period of time - INTERNALLY.
3. What ever is creating a toxic enviro is compounding the liver to excretet toxins from the body via the skin - THE largest organ of elimination!! This has more to do with acne R.
NO TOPICAL product will totally get rid of R, as I know all too well, as once you stop it comes back A.S.A.P.
I was diagnosed with full R 10 years ago, and consulted two of the best holistic skin specialists in NY, and London who confirmed what I have stated above.
Ironically I have since then studies Traditional Chinese Medicine, Ayurveda, Nutriton/supplements, and Iam a certified Esthetician - specializing in skin disease. Even so, I find myself with insane flareups that take months to clear up, yet I do know how to control my skin issues and have 100% clear skin when I control the internal factors!
This post may seem VERY strongly stated, yet I hope to shed some light on deeper issues of the disease for people to do some research into WHY they have this problem rather than just the magic topical product. (Proheal from IS Clinical is what I swear by - but if I stop using it and dont adhere to keeping my body healthy my skin breaks out regardless). |
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:37 pm |
Feliz: I agree with you 100% that rosacea has internal causes. I've been consulting with a naturopath that has advised me to follow a specific diet as well as drink a skin clearing tea and take homeopathic drops. I'm also using a castor oil pack once a day and dry brushing after my shower.
My rosacea is quite mild...I've never experienced the bumps that often go along with it.
I was told by a doctor on the weekend that I have a fungal overgrowth on my face (and scalp). I woke up Saturday morning with swollen eyes the size of golf balls (a little exaggeration, but not really). This is the second time this has happened. I don't believe this is related to my rosacea. She prescribed an anti-fungal and corti-steroid cream and advised me to use Nizoral on both my scalp and fsce. It's hard for me to use something so harsh on my face (I too, am an esthetician of 13 years), but I have to try. My condition right now resembles a bad case of eczema on my eyelids, around my brows and cheeks. It's horrible. So, I'm using the Nizoral to rectify this issue, not my rosacea. For my rosacea, I've been doing IPL treatments and following the advice of my naturopath, as I mentioned earlier.
There is a chance that maybe I've developed a new allergy to something I've been using, cosmetically speaking. I'm doubtful of this, but it is a possibility that this is irritant dermatitis. That'll be a lot harder to pinpoint but I've cut back on my products to the bare minimum (even washing my face with just baby shampoo). |
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Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:41 am |
Well Feliz, I don't happen to have ANY of the internal physiological disorder you mentioned, and I do have rosacea. My friend has severe rosacea and also does not suffer any of the internal disorders you noted. Therefore, there are certainly exceptions to your pronouncement.
Rather than a given internal disorder relationship, I instead believe that there is a genetic propensity to develop rosacea, hence the skin type profile most often associated with rosacea.
Nevertheless, there have been solid research studies conducted that have concluded the fungus/rosacea link, albeit other studies have arrived at different conclusions. See PubMed or Medline. Perhaps it is a combination of causes, which is often the case with human physiological ailments. It is certainly possible that an internal imbalance creates conditions most suitable for fungal growth overload on the skin's surface, hence inviting rosacea.
Regardless, Nizoral works to keep the fungus in check, to reduce or eradicate rosacea symptoms, and to prevent recurrence of rosacea flares in many, many people. |
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Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:08 am |
[quote="Feliz"]The topical fungal relationship to aquiring rosacea seems WAY too far out for me.
Then check PubMed or Medline to read some studies that have concluded this relationship. Or try a good anti-fungal to see if it works for you. It may, or it may not. It does work well for very many.
[quote="Feliz"]2. All individuals with R have had CHRONIC digestive disorders,over used antibiotics, or some OTHER internall issue that has been going on for a LONG period of time - INTERNALLY.
This enormous overgeneralization is WAY too far out for me!!!!! How in the world would you know that ALL persons with rosacea have chronic digestive disorders! I don't, nor do my friends with rosacea. We also have not over-used antibiotics, either. This is an absurdly broad, sweeping overstatement without any scientific foundation whatsoever.
[quote="Feliz"]3. What ever is creating a toxic enviro is compounding the liver to excretet toxins from the body via the skin - THE largest organ of elimination!! This has more to do with acne R.
This may be your OPINION, Feliz, but it certainly is NOT scientific fact, by any stretch of the imagination. Good grief!
[quote="Feliz"]I was diagnosed with full R 10 years ago, and consulted two of the best holistic skin specialists in NY, and London who confirmed what I have stated above.
Aaaah, I see, so these "experts" have found the cure for rosacea, then? They must be very famous! Are these experts licensed medical doctors (MDs)? Is their research published in peer-reviewed journals? May I find their research on PubMed or Medline, or in the AMA Journal archives?
[quote="Feliz"]This post may seem VERY strongly stated,
Indeed. |
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Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:17 am |
Very interesting debate. I know that I have come across the relationship between fungus and rosacea during my research lately, mainly in regards to sebborheic dermatitis.
In all honesty, if you suffer with red, dry, scaly, irritated skin along with your rosacea, what have you got to lose to treat it with an anti-fungal?
It makes sense in my situation. It's literally like something is attacking my face, spreading to different areas every day. Treating this with an anti-fungal just makes sense to me. If it doesn't work, well then maybe it is an allergic reaction after all. One doctor I saw believed I may have developed an allergic reaction to my makeup (all of a sudden). Another doctor swears is a fungus (since I also have scalp dandruff). I figure I'd treat the easy fix first, since eliminating skin care products will be a lot more difficult. I guess time will tell........... |
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Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:53 am |
This is interesting indeed. I used to get itchy, dry, and scaly patches of skin on my upper arms in the winter, winter skin is what I called it. It would get red if it got irritated but most of the time it was a whitish color. Went to the nutrition house store and was looking at something topical and she suggested these things be treated internally. I started taking omega 3,6, & 9 oils (liquid), and quite literally my winter skin went away. I still continue to take it but I put it in my smoothies b/c the taste is gross.
This summer I went for a body chemistry test done by my naturopath and it came back that I was highly acidic. I also for the last 5 years have not been able to wear earrings b/c the instant I'd put them in, I'd burn and my ears went bright red. Since I've been following a more alkaline diet I can wear earrings again. There is a lot of internal factors to consider and I'm possibly dealing with mild rosacea now and am looking at taking things internally as opposed to magic creams. I find it helps better and I am less apt to have a bad reaction to something. I do believe a lot of our health problems in general are in relation to acidic and poor diets. Most foods are acidic and especially processed ones. Another thing I have discovered are taking digestive enzymes, they have greatly helped my skin and I only meant to take them for stomach issues but found out that they clear out a lot of toxins that may have been going through my skin. Nobody should dismiss these possibilities and everyone is different and each will respond differently too. As for topical things I put on my face, I am sticking to the plain and boring, lots of sunscreen and MMU. Scent free, no dyes, parfum free, no parabens, etc. This has helped too I have noticed. Here's hoping that I've narrowed it down to keeping it as simple as possible. |
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:38 am |
| Well this has turned out to be a pretty informative thread. MBGirl, I still keep the Nizoral around. I might be up to trying it again. |
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Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:06 am |
Rosacea for both my hubby and I, is genetic. I can trace it back to parents and grandparents on both side, as does my hubby. We are very fair, Irish, Scottish, German and Swedish, blond hair and blue eyes. My son at 21 is already exhibiting signs. I have seen 6-7 different docs/derms about it in my lifetime and they all all concluded for us the best was to "manage" it is by IPL's and only in this last 5 years. Not a cheap fix but topicals have been either too harsh, contain too much sulfar for me or no response until they came out with the IPL's. My hubby's dad has the chronic redness the worst is now starting his IPL sessions to get it controlled.
I am a chronic health nut, who has a special "tonic" vitamin concocture I take from my acupuncturist. I excercise, drink lemon water, have massages and grow my own veggies, shun sugar & flour,and this does not help my rosacea one iota. When I am stressed and not doing my healthy regime, it doesn't matter, it isn't worse or better for me. Special creams the derm recommended did not help.
Long story short, we all have different triggers for it and it takes different treatments to find what it right for yours. But it's not fun to live with or manage. Weeding through the culprits might take a little time but don't give up. I live for the pain of my next IPL or until new lotions to try are found. 
I am glad that Nizoral works for some because that is such an inexpensive fix. I tried it on my hubby with his rhino skin but it didn't do anything. But I really need to add that our rosacea is very vascular and more advanced, with broken caps and constant redness like a sunburn, which is why the IpL's are usually recommended. If it was just the flushing or bumps, I think it would be easier to manage that way. It started out that way years ago and just progressed.
Proheal is also a great managing tool and I love that serum. When I am out, my skin shows it. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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