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Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:39 pm      Reply with quote
I have started to take Biotin and MSM to see if it helps my hair get thicker. Im just wondering how much I should be taking to see results. As of now Im taking 4 grams of MSM and 2500 mcg of Biotin daily, plus Vitamin E,Vitamin C,a multivitamin and fish oil. Any suggestions as far as dosage goes for the MSM and Biotin? Is there such a thing as taking too much of these?
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Hi angelwings - Once I began a regular routine of taking MSM daily, I noticed that my hair and nails were growing faster within the first 3-6 weeks. Keep in mind that my nails and hair typically grow on the slow side, so I was happy to see any positive results within a 4 week period. I really don't know if there is a cap on how much Biotin you can take, but I can share what I know about MSM and dosage levels. From what I have read you really cannot take too much. I personally take 4 to 5 grams a day and would not hesitate to up the dose to 7 or 8 grams should I ever require additional joint relief benefits, etc.

Not all MSM products are created equally and the quality does differ a great deal from brand to brand. I originally started with MSM tablets until I realized that they contained a lot of fillers, which would explain why I wasn't noticing any perceivable improvements. Once I switched to water soluble crystalline powder, I noticed a HUGE difference! The brand I've been using since the summer is called Flora and the bottle contains 300 grams of MSM (so it lasts a good long time!). It also clearly says 'no fillers' right on the label. HTH's a little. Smile

Edited to add: I also take Greens+ Powder, Proteins+ Powder, Vit C, daily Multi, and Omega 3 Fish Oil (liquid).

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bkkgirl wrote:

Hi, thank you for your informative post. I was just wondering if there's a limit as to how many grams one can take per day. I am currently taking 2 g in the morning, and 2 g in the evening. I also take it with Vit C each time, and was wondering if I can just take one of the times with Vit C and the other time without.

Do you know if there's any correlation between taking MSM and helping someone to quit or reduce the alcohol consumption? I saw someone posted this on another forum. Have you heard of this before?


You can take quite a bit more than 4 grams a day. I personally take about 8 grams a day and my wife, who is half my weight, takes about 20 grams a day and has been at that amount or more, both of us for the past 10 years or so. The vitamin C does not need to be taken every time you take the MSM. If you start taking more MSM, you may want to take more in the morning than in the evening--it does not have to be equal amounts.

The only thing I have heard about MSM and alcohol consumption is an unverified statement that someone reported feeling the effects of the alcohol faster and by drinking less. That same person felt it was helping him in his decision to cut down and that he had less of a craving for it. But I don't know how much can be inferred on the basis of one report.

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Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:05 pm      Reply with quote
I don't know about biotin, but I remember an indepth discussion on EDS about the need to gradually increase the dose of MSM. The discussion was in the lounge about a year ago. The consensus seemed to be that MSM helps with detox of the body, but if you take too much MSM too fast, you will rapidly release more toxins than your body can process and you will get headaches and other hangover-like symptoms as a result.

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Gosh, I forgot all about this, Jeannine, but this is definitely something to keep in mind when you're altering your dosage. Too much MSM introduced to a body that's never tried it before can cause some intense (but temporary) detox symptoms! The nasty feelings are actually the die-off from toxins (which may include the elimination of parasites in your GI track). When I first began taking MSM (1 gram), I had terrible die-off symptoms for the first 7-10 days. But by the end of the second week everything stopped and I've never looked back! I can increase the dosage without any difficulties now. Thanks for reminding everyone that there are potential side-effects when you first start taking MSM, and to increase your dosage slowly in the beginning. wave

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Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:38 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks to you both. As of now I am taking MSM capsules that I bought from GNC. I wonder if it has a lot of fillers. Confused The bottle is at home, but will it say on the label if it has fillers or not? I have noticed my nails improving; they are whiter and stronger and its only been about a week! This gives me hope for my thin hair. Very Happy Im interested in the powder form of MSM...where do you purchase it?
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Also, ScotsLass, what is Greens+Powder? (Im assuming Protein+Powder is protein powder mixed with a drink) And do you take Vitamin C in a capsule form, or also as a powder? Thanks for all your help!
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:06 pm      Reply with quote
I always refer to this link when I have questions about dosages.

http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/2461007.html#V

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Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:13 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks for that sharing that link with us, Yen! Think I'll go take a peek at it right now! Smile
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:32 pm      Reply with quote
angelwings1226 wrote:
Thanks to you both. As of now I am taking MSM capsules that I bought from GNC. I wonder if it has a lot of fillers. Confused The bottle is at home, but will it say on the label if it has fillers or not? I have noticed my nails improving; they are whiter and stronger and its only been about a week! This gives me hope for my thin hair. Very Happy Im interested in the powder form of MSM...where do you purchase it?

Hi there - my bottle of MSM crystalline powder says right on the label that there are "no fillers" (I'm using a brand called "Flora"). I can't comment on GNC's capsules as I've never used them, but if you are happy and see results this quickly, they can't be half bad!Wink Here is one out of many links for MSM powders that look worthwhile - www.msmpure.com. Take some time to perform a search of the EDS database (enter 'msm powder') and you will retrieve a lot of good info and links to products that others have tried. I purchased my own MSM crystal powder from a local health food store. HTH's....

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angelwings1226 wrote:
Also, ScotsLass, what is Greens+Powder? (Im assuming Protein+Powder is protein powder mixed with a drink) And do you take Vitamin C in a capsule form, or also as a powder? Thanks for all your help!

Hi again - Greens+ is made by a company in Toronto called Genuine Health. In a nutshell, this stuff is an AMAZING supplement that I simply LOVE for a multitude of reasons, which is why I take it every day! Below you'll find some background info from the Genuine Health website that explains all of the wonderful benefits of this product. If you live in the US or outside of Canada, the only place that I know of to buy this exact product (and formulation) is through an online store called Feel Good Natural - www.feelgoodnatural.com/search. Due to distribution rights that were created several years ago between Genuine Health and another company in the States, they cannot ship their Greens+ product outside of Canada. To learn more, read this link as I discussed the details of this arrangement earlier in the year - www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=282611&highlight=greens+distribution#282611

The Proteins+ powder I use (and love! Wink ) is also made by Genuine Health. I either dissolve the powder in water or in lactose-free milk - both work and taste equally nice. I also add the greens+, MSM powder, and Vitamin C powder to the proteins+ drink and start each day with this powerhouse concoction!

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Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:30 am      Reply with quote
Angelwings...you have to take Biotin with other B complex for it to be assimilated. It will not "take" on its own.

Vitamin H (Biotin) - This vitamin is a B vitamin but is a very important hair loss vitamin. Lack of this vitamin shows up as thinning hair and loss of hair. So it should be on the top of your list to supplement with it. However it should be used and taken with the other B vitamins so to get the best absorption. Use around 300 mcg and if the B100 do not have enough biotin, you may have to supplement with biotin separately

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Angelwings...you have to take Biotin with other B complex for it to be assimilated. It will not "take" on its own.

Vitamin H (Biotin) - This vitamin is a B vitamin but is a very important hair loss vitamin. Lack of this vitamin shows up as thinning hair and loss of hair. So it should be on the top of your list to supplement with it. However it should be used and taken with the other B vitamins so to get the best absorption. Use around 300 mcg and if the B100 do not have enough biotin, you may have to supplement with biotin separately


Very interesting, mountaingirl. I never knew that.
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Wow. A wealth of information. I love this forum! lol. I was told by a GNC employee that my multivitamin was packed with B vitamins and that it wasnt necessary to buy the B-Complex vitamin that I had in the checkout line. (I believed him seeing as he doesnt really benefit by telling me to buy less stuff.) But I had heard that you need to take plenty of B vitamins in order for the biotin to take effect. In fact I think I read on another thread that the B5 vitamin is really key in helping the biotin along. (Which my multivitamin does not contain, of course Rolling Eyes ) So I might have to invest in some B5 to get things going.

ScotsLass, thanks for the info on the greens powder and the msm (which I will be purchasing as soon as my capsules run out!) I could definately use more energy and all the vitamins I can get!
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my guy friend is going to bald, do u think biotin is safe for guy to take?

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Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:22 pm      Reply with quote
It's perfectly safe for anyone to take Biotin (no contraindications at all.) I hate to say this, but I don't think Biotin will help a balding man. That is a whole 'nother issue. Rolling Eyes

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my guy friend is going to bald, do u think biotin is safe for guy to take?


If you type Biotin in a search engine you will find some sites/forums where men are taking biotin to help with balding issues. When I looked it up on yahoo it listed some forums where men were talking about this exact thing. Apparently they have been using Biotin as a remedy for hair loss for years. Im not sure about its effectiveness rate, but it wouldnt hurt for your friend to check it out. Smile
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I've been taking 1500 mg of MSM for a month now. My acne has cleared up, my skin is smoother, and my hair is growing like a weed!
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:51 pm      Reply with quote
Ladies,

I have been taking Healthy Hair and Skin vitamins, by Irwin Naturals for almost 2 month. Formula contains 3mg of Biotin in each capsule, plus many other things, but NO other B vitamins included. Does that mean that 3 mg of Biotin (which is a LOT compare that other multi-vitamins usually have no more than 500mcg) - is really not working and not effective? If so, why such reputable company like Irwin Naturals would create a formula with so much Biotin, knowing that they must include other B-group in order for it to take effect??
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Ladies,

I have been taking Healthy Hair and Skin vitamins, by Irwin Naturals for almost 2 month. Formula contains 3mg of Biotin in each capsule, plus many other things, but NO other B vitamins included. Does that mean that 3 mg of Biotin (which is a LOT compare that other multi-vitamins usually have no more than 500mcg) - is really not working and not effective? If so, why such reputable company like Irwin Naturals would create a formula with so much Biotin, knowing that they must include other B-group in order for it to take effect??


Do you notice a change in your hair and nails? If so then the Biotin is working for you without the extra vitamin B supplement. I would be interested in hearing if the vitamin is working for you. And yes, 3mg is a lot of Biotin!
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I've been taking 1500 mg of MSM for a month now. My acne has cleared up, my skin is smoother, and my hair is growing like a weed!


Thats wonderful! I was thinking about recommending this to my sister who has acne. Now I have to tell her for sure!
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have any of you guys heard of irwin naturals immuno shield? is it the same thing? i was asking about it and they say it can be an alternative.
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