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Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:17 am  |
| Has anyone tried this and does it help?I think I just started menopause and I heard that topical estrogen can keep your skin from losing collagen which happens in menopause. |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:50 am |
| I have never heard of this. Are there creams or potions for sale that sell this, or do they apply it at a derm or so? |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:25 am |
| I just noticed if you google topical estrogen for sale on the internet you can buy topical estrogen(for the face I think) for about $50. Has any bought bought this on line and is happy with it?When you apply it to the face it is only suppose to benefit the skin, not like taking it internally. |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:36 am |
The skin is a sponge, and products that are applied topically are absorbed through the skin into the body/whole system. Consider the birth control patch that has caused so many terrible deaths and strokes, etc. I would be wary of applying topical estrogen without a lot of reliable research and data to clarify proper use, amount, and possible side effects.
| lucyluc wrote: |
| I just noticed if you google topical estrogen for sale on the internet you can buy topical estrogen(for the face I think) for about $50. Has any bought bought this on line and is happy with it?When you apply it to the face it is only suppose to benefit the skin, not like taking it internally. |
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Best, Jeannine (40s, fair skin, hazel eyes, sensitive skin). To fight the dread lemming sickness, I promise not to rave about a product until I have used it for a long while. |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:44 am |
| I once read topical estrogen applied to facial skin brings about the greatest improvement than any other thing out there. Collagen, small pores, youthful plumping, glow, etc... sounds wonderufl. However, this was using a pharmacy compounded .03% Estriol cream (I think this was the strength). I perceived this to be a low concentration and the study showed no measurable increase to the estrogen levels in the blood. I would only pursue this if I was under the care of a doctor who was willing to measure hormone levels to ensure I wasn't throwing my hormones out of whack in case it did absorb through the skin into the blood. Hormones are fragile and if you introduce one without monitoring/balancing the others you can really screw things up. |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:52 am |
I am also at the menopausal stage of life.
I would be very leary about applying estrogen to my face.
You might want to look into Soy Isoflavones.
You can buy them at SkinActives or Garden of Wisdom and add it to your face cream, or buy a cream that already has it added such as Skinceuticals Face Cream or L'Oreals Vichy Novadiol. |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:23 am |
Here is another interesting link about using natural progesterone cream:
http://www.womens-menopause-health.com/premarin_and_aging.htm
I might be more likely to try this if it is safer, although I'm not sure if it is useful if you are not coming to the menopause.
I use Retin A around my eyes and worry enough about that without adding something else, still it's interesting. Lots of stuff on the net about it anyway! |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:04 am |
| If you put this on your face it soaks it up like one of the other forum members mentioned. I use natural progesterone but I would not put it on my face and try soya products. |
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Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:52 am |
| I actually have heard soy products are very bad for you so I dont use them. |
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mary jane wimberly
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Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:06 pm |
| Years ago my Mother born in 1918 used Helena Rubenstein Ultra Feminine Cream, guess what the last two ingredients were. Estrogen and Progesterone. In 1972 went to buy a jar and they said it was taken off the market in U.S. because it was considered a cosmetic drug. I personally do Natural Hormones I am now 55. I get my script with a full ml daily dose, i put 3/4 on my neck and 1/4 on my face everynight. I am a Medical Aesthetician so I am a face maniac for results. I also use retinol everynight and C products in the day. I am very happy. I sleep great, no depression or anxiety, good weight. |
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Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:09 pm |
I know mary jane wimberly is quite correct, many OB/GYN's will give women a prescription for the cream for two reasons vaginal dryness and as a facial cream.  |
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Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:38 pm |
Oh-oh 
I used Premarin ointment on my face (it was supposedly for my women's parts), two months later ended up with baaaaaaad hyperpigmentation. I don't know if it helped with thickness and wrinkles at all and I don't care, but if you are prone to melasma or dark patches on your face, be very careful with that. |
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Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:37 pm |
| If estrogen cream is supposed to have an effect on the skin, wouldn't a low dose estrogen pill - lie a BC pill? |
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Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:24 pm |
| pandora77 wrote: |
Here is another interesting link about using natural progesterone cream:
http://www.womens-menopause-health.com/premarin_and_aging.htm
I might be more likely to try this if it is safer, although I'm not sure if it is useful if you are not coming to the menopause.
I use Retin A around my eyes and worry enough about that without adding something else, still it's interesting. Lots of stuff on the net about it anyway! |
Natural progesterone cream is said to relieve PMS, has a soothing and relaxing effect without all of the side effects of the synthetic progestins. |
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Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:20 am |
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| If estrogen cream is supposed to have an effect on the skin, wouldn't a low dose estrogen pill - lie a BC pill? |
Yes I've been on the pill 6 years. It has helped delay wrinkling quite a bit. I will be on some kind of estrogen the rest of my life, not just for my skin but because of how it helps my whole system. I'm a zombie without it.
To make the estrogen more effective as well as to help prevent cancer I've started cycling in progesterone cream 20 mg 10 days out of the month. According to the medical research I've read, progesterone prevents cancer. However I've also read that you can get cancer on hormones irregardless. Have been reading Suzanne Somer's book on cancer; her oncologist Julie Taguchi, who has a mainstream practice, says her patients on anti estrogen meds do no better than those on bioidenticals. She says doctors don't know if hormones are dangerous. As per WHI, it was the Prempro (synthetic progestin) not the Premarin that caused cancer and heart attacks. The Premarin only group did ok. |
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Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:46 pm |
| If someone is concerned about too much estrogen in their systems would a soy facial product be ok to use? Any thoughts? |
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Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:21 pm |
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| She says doctors don't know if hormones are dangerous. As per WHI, it was the Prempro (synthetic progestin) not the Premarin that caused cancer and heart attacks. The Premarin only group did ok. |
Yes but the Premarin group was women with hysterectomy (i.e. no uterus). Taking unopposed estrogen (Premarin) is associated with uterine cancer. |
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Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:10 pm |
I don't understand where one poster got the idea soy products are dangerous. Imagine centuries of Chinese/Asian women who ingested soy products and still do. If there was a problem, it would show up by now. (of course, there are those who are allergic to soy out there, but probably know already as so many products have soy in the ingredients.
There is a lot of hype against hormone replacement, which is now being disproved.
Of course, never take estrogen without taking progesterone.
Many doctors are now saying women at the first signs of menopause should replace with hormones and use them the rest of their lives to avoid the sufferig brought on by menopause. In the years we are plumped by and full of thesse hormones are the years the least cases of cancers are found, it is when women hit menopausal and post menopausal years, that the incidences rise. Tells one something doesn't it?
Studies in the U.S. most commonly say No to hormone supplementation, but their findings are poor to say the least, and other countries who aren't so Big Pharma controlled have done several studies that state the opposite. Do your research, I have and feel comfortable using topcal estrogens and progesterone (USP aka micronized) Soy or yam products aren't going to do anything escept act as a lotion to seal in moisture and we know estrogen depleted skin is beyond dry!!
I can post some studies and info if anyone is interested. After just a week of topical estrogen my slight urinary incontinence is gone and so is urinary urgency. I'm awaiting my order of more estrogen and progesterone. I plan on taking it daily and then 3xs an year cycling it so I'll get a period to cleanse the uterus of the endometrial lining. Many Young gals are on BC that leaves them only having 3 or 4 periods a year, so if the good (?)old FDA is allowing that......
I'm tired of the patriarchal medical system telling women Menopause is natural and it is something that must be endured. :P  |
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Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:18 pm |
My first post!
I don't know about topical estrogen, but I have tried topical progesterone for hormonal issues.
It definitely had an effect on my body. So I'm thinking why couldn't topical estrogen be effective on skin as well?
Also, I heard that topical treatments are much more potent than ingesting estrogen capsules as liver detoxifies most of it. |
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:56 am |
| Exactly (topical vs oral)! And they are hard on one's liver. (and you don't get the full dose like you do using the topical route.) Usually always best to bypass the liver when dealing with hormones and vitamin supplements. |
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:41 pm |
This is interesting. I would deffinetely take bioidentical hormones when I get older. I never thought about taking them earlier though (I'm 34). Though I have been reading more things about hormones because I've been trying to figure out the cause of my excessively thin skin (seeing the veins all over my body). Some of the things suggested that too high of levels of cortisol can cause thin skin as well as too low of estrogen levels. I'm still confused though by the estrogen and what's too high or too low.
Some things I've read though suggest that progestrogen drops in women long before estrogen does, and that it helps to lower cortisol and to balance estrogen levels, so it sounds safer. It also said pregnolian is good too and helps increase the production of DHEA. Another thing that increases DHEA is topical magnesium gels!
I have had anxiety disorders for a long time and especially the past several years with lots of stress! I think that has something to do with the excess cortisol, and cortisol contributes to quicker aging (why they say stress ages you!!!)
There is a book on that actually I need to read:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0897934792/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
This was also a good article:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/three-hormones.shtml
Those who take the topical estrogen, did it make your breasts fuller? Bonus I guess if it does!!! |
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34, dry thin skin with sun damage and pigmentation, dark circles, texture issues, a few fine lines, despised NLs, and lots of potential! Using 20% C serum, Osmosis Enlighten with vitamin A, Sunscreen, Lightstim, lots of supplements, green smoothies and juices, searching for the fountain of youth and looking into facial exercise and massage as well. |
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:43 pm |
| Suzanne Somers' books have lots of information about hormones. I recommend Ageless. She wrote one or two after that but I haven't read them yet. Ageless also addresses the problem men have with lower testosterone. |
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:42 pm |
Bioidentical estrogen should be used for peri menopausal symptoms such as waking at night, insomnia, dry eyes, etc, not as a "skin care product". I have Nancy Deville's new book Happy Sexy Healthy. She is arguably a better writer than Suzanne!
http://www.nancydeville.com/
Use BHRT only if you need to. Diet and exercise should be addressed first before 40 imo........ |
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:34 pm |
So you recommend the book Gretchen? Nancy DeVille"s sister is an EDS member ...
one of my favorite EDSers. |
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