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Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:48 pm  |
I think you are right, lucyluc -- those photos do look familiar, and they are also different from his real patient pictures. (A little scary to realize his patients needed 7-8 vials of the stuff!)
Sorry for my mangled pronouns. The PS is in her 40s, not my mother. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:31 pm |
| secretly wrote: |
| have you considered Artefill? It's permanent and now being used everywhere except lips I believe. |
I would be very leery of using any so called permanent fillers due to the problems. Your face continues to change with age and you could wind up with a strange face if the tissue around it sagged or collapsed. People forget about that, thinking only of the filler shifting.
The most permanent nonpermanent filler is your own fat. Good luck finding a doctor skilled in fat transfers, because they are few and far between. I know someone in Beverly Hills so PM me if you are interested. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:50 pm |
| oooohhhhhh I never thought of that! Thank you. I only had artefill under my eyes, and I had stem cell fat transfers into my face a couple of weeks ago by Dr. Sherman. Cheeks, under eyes, NL folds and lips.........So far so good, it realllllllllly looks great !!! |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:46 pm |
I would never get a permanent filler either - and from what I can gather, there's not many doctors who recommend it. As SoftSkin said, your face is continually changing, but if you have permanent filler, it doesn't - so you can end up with some strange results.
Fat transfer is also very hit and miss. No doctor will ever guarantee the results because they can't say with any real accuracy how much of the filler will take and how much will be re-absorbed by the body.
I don't think I've ever had any procedure where I've ended up with results equal to those shown in the promotional material - it's very frustrating. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:48 pm |
| I shouldn't post on this thread, sorry to do so but I just wanted to comment that the Sculptra ads I've seen in recent months are very impressive. If I could afford it I would do it but it sounds like a spooky procedure. Will have to read rest of the thread. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:14 pm |
| gretchen wrote: |
| I shouldn't post on this thread, sorry to do so but I just wanted to comment that the Sculptra ads I've seen in recent months are very impressive. If I could afford it I would do it but it sounds like a spooky procedure. Will have to read rest of the thread. |
The Sculptra ads are impressive - as are most ads for fillers - but whether those results are attainable and realistic is another thing entirely. Yes, I got sucked in by the B & A's - but I remain skeptical.
I didn't find it a spooky procedure at all - much the same as having any other filler done. Problem is there's no instant gratification. But if I was to be honest - the instant gratification from normal type fillers tends to come from the swelling - when that goes down I'm always left thinking, "Well why the heck did I pay good money for that?"
As you can see, I have a rather negative attitude to all of this - and yet I continue on. I'm like some crazed junkie, lusting after my next "filler hit"!!! |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:17 pm |
| Hermosa wrote: |
| I think you are right, lucyluc -- those photos do look familiar, and they are also different from his real patient pictures. (A little scary to realize his patients needed 7-8 vials of the stuff!) |
I thought of that too! 7 vials?? How long does Sculptra last compared to a face lift?? At ~$4200 (assuming 600/vial) that's quite a bit of $$ AND, how much are facelifts?
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| Sorry for my mangled pronouns. The PS is in her 40s, not my mother. |
Glad you answered this - hermosa and I are on the same wavelength with our questions right now.  |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:40 pm |
that's the thing with filler you sometimes need A LOT to make any real difference.
I hope that my fat transplant filler stays, he said he expects 80% take rate with the stem cells. I had so much filler (artefill, raddiesse, restalyne) under my eyes and it wasn't really doing the trick.
also the thing about FL that I learned is that you really need some kind of filler too in order to restore the youthful volume in your face. |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:01 pm |
| secretly wrote: |
also the thing about FL that I learned is that you really need some kind of filler too in order to restore the youthful volume in your face. |
but do you need as much? |
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Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:11 pm |
good point, I'm guessing you don't and I'm sure that some FL turn out beautifully. I had just lost a lot of volume and filling out my cheekbones etc. did the trick.
I was thinking about how much it would have cost filler wise to do the same as the fat and it would have been $$$$$$$$$$$ |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:08 am |
I was supposed to have my second round of Sculptra tomorrow - however, I received an email from another local clinic offering a special on cheek filler which was too good to turn down. So I cancelled the Sculptra and had my cheeks filled instead. 
I suppose I'll rebook the Sculptra for a couple of weeks time because it seems silly to start the process and then not continue. But I have to say the quick-fix instant gratification of cheeks that look like oranges (because they're swollen) is fabulous. Unfortunately, the swelling will be gone tomorrow and I'll be left with grapes! I love my face when it's all puffed up like a football! |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:50 am |
I have an app with a clinic on Thursday about fillers and Botox. I have had them before but have read great things about this clinic so am thinking of having it done there instead.
I really need my cheeks plumped up!!
Are you happy with the results Keliu? I have had Juvaderm Voluma in my cheeks before, but didn't notice a huge difference.
I think I am a filler junkie too Keliu!!
I like the sound of Sculptra but don't have the patience, I need to see some results straight away! Probably having both might be ideal...but I just can't afford it. |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:38 pm |
I'm LOVING my cheeks - but I'm worried that allot of what I love is due to swelling and not the filler. I did have 2 ml put in each cheek - that's quite allot (gosh I use that word allot!) So I agree, 1 ml doesn't make that much of a difference. I went for bulk because it was such a good deal.
However, I've now laid awake all night feeling like I've cheated on my Sculptra doctor! - I'm consumed with guilt! - what am I going to tell him when I turn up for the next set of "before" photos, and I'm suddenly blown up like a balloon? I'm going to have to tell him because otherwise he'll think he's made all this improvement - and, of course, he hasn't.
Yes, it's a slippery slope into lies and depravity when you're a "filler junkie"! And if it doesn't stop, I seriously will have to look at robbing a 7/11 to pay for this!  |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:43 pm |
I see your dilemma, Keliu. I'd feel the same.
Which filler did you get BTW? |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:50 pm |
| foxe wrote: |
I see your dilemma, Keliu. I'd feel the same.
Which filler did you get BTW? |
Restylane Sub Q. |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:02 pm |
Here's what little I know from experience and reading:
Fillers fade faster in the areas where there is a lot of movement - around the mouth and lips, not so much a problem under the eyes.
I have had fillers under the eyes, on the cheeks and around the mouth (NL folds). Saw no improvement anywhere except in the tear troughs, where the impact has been *dramatic*
I will probably not get fillers again unless I get facial surgery and need to top up certain areas.
I think the problem with fillers on the mid to lower face is that in order to use enough to make an impact - the cost would be prohibitive and in line with what you would pay for surgery itself.
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:03 pm |
| The thing with Sculptra though, is that it isn't really a filler. The Polylactic Acid is injected into the face and new collagen is supposed to form around it. This can take months, so you don't get the quick fix of a traditional filler. |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:05 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Yes, it's a slippery slope into lies and depravity when you're a "filler junkie"! And if it doesn't stop, I seriously will have to look at robbing a 7/11 to pay for this! |
Too funny, I know! My face filler has gone down in 2 weeks, it still looks really good but I hope some of it stays.
And I know what you mean about cheating on your doctor, now when I go for my final after pics with my FL doc some of the face work isn't his!!!! |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:51 pm |
| secretly wrote: |
| And I know what you mean about cheating on your doctor, now when I go for my final after pics with my FL doc some of the face work isn't his!!!! |
Really!! Didn't your FL doctor do your fat transfer? Oh, the evil web we weave! |
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:05 pm |
hahaha, seriously! no I had the fat transfer during my stem cell breast aug and it was last minute with left over fat. And I will never fully break up with my FL doctor because he does botox for 200$ and I'm madly in love with him for that...he only does faces so he can't be too mad at me.
I just took off my boa constrictor garment and put on a sports top to walk and I am over the moon about my cleavage and lack of midriff, sooooooo happy!!!! (completely off topic) |
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:24 am |
I would think stem cells, like fat cells, get reabsorbed into the body eventually and you'd need to have it done several times for it to finally "take."
My botox was $125 for my crow's feet. I think if I'd have had undereye area added, it would have been $225. I don't remember now. But when this bit wears off, I'm going for both areas because I really like the natural result. You are fighting a losing battle with skincare if you are constantly making new wrinkles. |
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:43 am |
| I think botox can prevent future wrinkles. Stroke victims who have half a face paralyzed tend to NOT get wrinkles on the side of the face that was paralyzed. They have also done case studies on twins. Where one twin had used botox for a very long time and the other twin did not....the difference is very dramatic. |
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:40 am |
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I would think stem cells, like fat cells, get reabsorbed into the body eventually and you'd need to have it done several times for it to finally "take."
My botox was $125 for my crow's feet. I think if I'd have had undereye area added, it would have been $225. I don't remember now. But when this bit wears off, I'm going for both areas because I really like the natural result. You are fighting a losing battle with skincare if you are constantly making new wrinkles. |
Ok I guess botox is like gas, it costs more in San Diego, typical! You cannot touch it for under $300 anywhere here that's why I was so happy to find it for 2, if anyone knows cheaper in SD please tell.
The stem cell autologous fat transfer using Cytori PureGraft system is not the same thing as fat transfer at all. Stem cells prepared the way they do along with the plasma solution and the purified fat with all debris like blood cells removed are expected to take. The stem cells secrete growth hormone so that circulation to the area is stimulated and so on. But again if you know something that I don't please tell, because that's not what I was told otherwise I wouldn't have done it. Thank you.  |
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:51 pm |
| secretly wrote: |
The stem cell autologous fat transfer using Cytori PureGraft system is not the same thing as fat transfer at all. Stem cells prepared the way they do along with the plasma solution and the purified fat with all debris like blood cells removed are expected to take. |
It sounds very similar to the fat injections I had several years ago. I remember watching the doc put my fat into a type of centrifuge. Next time I see my PS I'll ask him about it. My fat lasted a long time. I suspect the skill of the doctor is the most important factor with most things.
I hope you got a discount for being a guinea pig. Keep us posted as to your progress. |
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:56 pm |
Botox does beat back against future wrinkles - the studies are out there.
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