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Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:27 pm  |
Cupping is a sort of vacuum massage technique that can be applied to face and body that results in skin tightening!!!
While discussing skin care issues on thread http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=27679&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
The participants started a very interesting discussion on Cupping that deserves a thread on its own. I am transferring some posts from the thread into this one.
Those familiar with Cupping please share your experiences!!!
| Eleni wrote: |
Iīm new to this forum, so hello to everybody. This topic is just my concern. Exfoliation is tricky for me, my skin always reacts producing more skin cells. I had a bad reaction after using Vitamin A-Peels in my teens. 
What really gives me a glowing healthy skin is massage. I do some cupping every morning. Cupping is an old technique and itīs like a soft workout for skin and face muscles. It provides good hydration and circulation. I use a little device called vaculifter, but plain cupping glasses work as well. The French have a "Well-Box" designed for the same purpose - not so cheap, but it works.  |
| MACrisis wrote: |
You do CUPPING on your face???  Aren't you afraid getting broken caps??? |
| Eleni wrote: |
@ MACrisis: Itīs actually very soft and the manufacturer even recommends it for the prevention if broken veins. It strengthens the skin, the connecting tissue and promotes microcirculation.
Iīve been "cupping" every morning in the last 5 years and it gave me back 10 years. You use it with oil and for me itīs part of the OCM in the morning. It tightens pores, cleans them out and fights sagging skin. Some independent tests proved that it visibly reversed lines around the mouth and between the eyes. Sounds odd, but cupping is very popular in Germany. 
(I often think: my gosh, give Mrs. Merkel a Vaculifter!!!  ) |
| lunarmm wrote: |
Interesting, there is a video on the Vaculifter site but to me it looks like she is using it without having a true vacuum suction as I see her lifting it up and not resucking the vacuum:
http://vaculifter.eu/en/index.php?PHPSESSID=tofqgg3t8vgofi1be361r95po7
They do say you must use with oil to get the gliding effect.
I'm interested in learning more as I remember how everyone was freaking out about the Dermaroller initially and now many people are using it (including bigger and bigger needles!). |
| Eleni wrote: |
The videos on that site are horrible. The vaculifter does softly pull in skin and tissues. Just like a mild cupping. Itīs a massage and skin is left comfortable, healthy and glowing.
German actress Christine Kaufmann gives a different instruction than the video. She uses it for decongesting the lymphs and activating accupuncture-points (f. e. "The third eye"). She starts just under the ears (lymph-knots) and works from eye to ear and around the mouth with round movements. Sheīs 63, not lifted or botoxed and she uses that device. (She really does, I met her ). She looks great. 60 is the new 40! 
christinekaufmann.net |
| mpstat wrote: |
| What is CUPPING, and where I can get more info on it? Thanks! |
| mpstat wrote: |
Thank you lunarmm! I did see it done, but did not know that it is called cupping It is done usually for people that have some sort of cold, cough. And it is applied to patient's back.
If I remember correctly cups leave dark purplish round spots. Those spots gradually disappear over the course of days if not weeks. Is it possible to do cupping on the face????  |
| lunarmm wrote: |
It seems interesting. This is the first time I've heard of facial cupping but it seems it does exist. It seems to be most popular in Germany. Oil is used on the skin to facilitate the moving of the cups.
In addition to the previous link I posted to the Vaculift website which has a video, I found two videos of facial cupping on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsihv_nNxeU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O9EVhrIFJWU |
| mpstat wrote: |
lunarmm - thank you so much!!!
OK This is not traditional cupping, but rather a new vacuum massage technique for the face and body. It is so interesting!
| Eleni wrote: |
| ... Iīve been "cupping" every morning in the last 5 years and it gave me back 10 years. You use it with oil and for me itīs part of the OCM in the morning. It tightens pores, cleans them out and fights sagging skin. Some independent tests proved that it visibly reversed lines around the mouth and between the eyes. Sounds odd, but cupping is very popular in Germany. |
Eleni, which device are you using...can you please tell us more on your cupping experience??? Thanks!
Maybe it even deserves a thread of its own. If you start a new thread, please post a link here so we can migrate to the new Cupping thread for Cupping discussion. |
| MACrisis wrote: |
I have a set of Cupping tools which includes 9 different size plastic cups. I use it on my neck, shoulders, back, thighs, butts........... everywhere but my face. Maybe it's time to try. 
I'll ask my husband to get me the vaculift next time he goes to Germany. |
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| mpstat wrote: |
| Where did you get the set?? Thanks! |
I went to a Traditional Chinese Scraping / Cupping Massage class about a year ago in L.A. and I bought it from my instructor. In the class we learn scraping our face but not cupping. China Town and Korean Town should have them.
I tried mine last night. I used the smallest cup (2mm) but it won't stick to my face. Check this out, I think I'm going to buy one.
http://www.massagecupping.com/equipmentandproducts.htm Go down and you'll see one set called Facial Micro-Cup Set. 4 cups for $25. |
| autumnApple wrote: |
| Wow! I never thought of cupping for face. Thank you Eleni for sharing this. I'm going to look into it. Love the idea of improving circulation for our delicate facial skin. |
| Eleni wrote: |
Yourīso kind. Thank you for your replies. I thought everybody would laugh out loud or shrug their shoulders... What I like about this forum is that beauties from around the world share their experiences. And itīs so interesting.
The word "cupping" sounds like an ancient torture-method, doesnīt it? The word we use is much gentler: "Schröpfen". (If you can pronounce "Hauschka" you can pronouce "Schröpfen")  .
Cupping is an old healing technique, applied in Traditional Chinese medicine and many other cultures. It encourages the body`s self-healing abilities. The vaculifter Iīve been using with astonishing results was developed by a naturopath. Itīs a combination of mild cupping (no bruises, no red spots or anything) and vacuum-massage (as used sucessfully for cellulite treatments). Itīs safe to use on face and decolletage. Even around the eyes. I am very sensitive, my skin tolerates nothing, but the vaculift never gave me any problem.
Itīs like a work-out for facial muscles. When you start excercising you can see results on your body: better conturing, straightening and so on. Likewise cupping provides a visible lifting effect on your face. And it enhances circulation, skin cells are nourished from within, the hydration level increases.
I canīt link, cause Iīm a new member. Some of my friends use these vacuum balloons as seen on you tube. I use the vaculifter-device because itīs safer and easier to apply. You can regulate the vacuum-pressure. You can buy it in every pharmacy here.  50 Euro and it lasts for years. |
| Frodo wrote: |
I find the cupping topic very interesting. Learn something new everyday. Wish someone would start a topic on cupping and see if the moderators could move the posts there pertaining to cupping.
The Vaculifter looks like the easiest to use IMO. Although I haven't spent much time reviewing the other products. |
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:13 pm |
mpstat thanks for starting this. BTW, you did a fantastic job of copy/paste of all the posts.
Is there anyone out there that knows of a place in the US for the Vaculifter. Hopefully a web site I can cruise thru. |
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:17 pm |
Thanks for starting this thread, mpstat. Of the 'cupping systems' available for the face, the Vaculift unit looks the most interesting to me (and easy to use on your own). However, I'm a little miffed at the idea of having to buy all four Vaculift units separately, should I want to use all four cup sizes at some point in time (which, of course, I know I will if I like the initial unit!). I wonder why they didn't design the base unit so that each cup size is interchangeable with one another? It seems silly to own four units just so you can use each cup size. Oh, and at EUR 49.50 EACH (gulp!), there is no way I will be doling out $300 Cdn + VAT + Shipping to own all four! Yikes!!!
Eleni - Welcome to the board! Can you tell me which Vaculift cup size you own and what oils you use with it? Thanks!
*ETA* - Here is a Canadian supplier who sells traditional cupping sets that are very reasonable in price -www.cupping.ca/main.sc . I've sent an email asking if they sell sets specifically for the face - will report back once I have an answer. |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:48 am |
hi all,
I have a little machine for cupping.
http://dermakuur.nl/winkel.htm
hope the link works.
There is a video in german and english.
It is realy gives the face a healthy look.
regards
Dia |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:51 am |
I see the link is not working ..
You can see an image from a kind of blue ball.
called vaculift.
You have to click on that one and than you can see de video's.
Dia |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:15 am |
Wow. Thanks for this information!
I love the idea of using it to decongest the lymph, as well as the face.
It looks like the best place to buy from is the place lunarm bought from?
Lunarm will you give us a review when you recieve?
Although I may not be able to wait that long.. I really want to try it! |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:42 am |
| I heard cupping is great for relaxation and removing impurities, but I never heard it was used for the face. Usually, its a Body SPA treatment. |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:11 am |
Odd indeed! I'd like to see what these cupped skins look like from 10-20 years from now. Any time you stretch the skin, you damage your support which is collagen. I'll forget about this one.  |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:45 am |
I've had cupping done lots of times on my back by different accupuncturists and was always left with circular bruises, often very dark purple. No way would I let them near my face
Obviously this is something completely different.. just had a quick look at the vaculift video and it seems more like a vaccuum massage gadget ?? Still not sure I'd want to use it on my face though.. got too many unused skin gadgets lying around the apartment already LOL |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:43 pm |
| Dia wrote: |
hi all,
I have a little machine for cupping.
dermakuur.nl/winkel.htm
hope the link works.
There is a video in german and english.
It is realy gives the face a healthy look.
regards
Dia |
@ Dia:  That blue one is the one Iīve been using for at least five years. Every morning. I feel congested and swollen and tired if I donīt. .
I find it easy to use and if used correctly you donīt stretch or harm your skin.
@ SuzieQ: I wouldnīt dare to use cupping glasses (but some of my friends do). The vaculifter is safe, it has build-in valves for controlling pressure (Sorry, I hope I get the words right. It is so difficult in a foreign language.). You use oil unterneath.
I canīt say what I will be looking like in 10 years, but 5 years vaculifting made my skin definitely tighter, clearer and finer. Wrinkles I had are visibly diminished. E.G. nasolabial or lines between eyebrows. I was convinced of the device after meeting a lady of 85 looking like 65. She had some wrinkles and lines, but great contures and her skin was rosy and peachy. She looked fresh and beautyful and I thought: itīs not wrinkles that make you look weary and old, itīs loosing the shape of your chin, the sagging and loosing skinīs vibrancy. Sagging, crumpling and lacklustre skin are somehow prevented and reversed. As I said independent studies have proved visible results in a few weeks. I had results after 3 weeks.
@ Scotlassie : I have only one - the all-pupose 2 cm basic vaculifter. I use it on face, throat and decolletage, around the eyes, on upper lips for boosting and on my arms. Even when my neck is distorted. I think itīs sales marketing to imply you have to buy four different types. Maybe a special vaculifter for the body is o.k. if you fight cellulite. But 4? One costs about 50 VAT included. 20 for shipping - thats hard.  |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:12 pm |
catski,
I ordered the facial cupping kit from http://www.massagecupping.com/equipmentandproducts.htm ($25 + $7.50 S&H for me)
I made a mistake in my previous post and said I got the same kit from
http://www.ib3health.com/products/SuctionCupping/FacialCupping.shtml ($25 + $10.95 S&H for me).
I didn't order the Vaculifter due to the cost. If I really like facial cupping using the kit, I might invest in a Vaculifter eventually if it looks like it works easier... But I figured I'd try a lower cost investment first.
I've already gotten an email that the kit has been put in the mail (fast service) so I should get it soon. But I also will be going away next week to Phoenix for my Donna Eden Energy Medicine certification class - so it might take me a while to post feedback |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:30 pm |
Good stuff Lunarm, will be interested to hear how you get on with it, when the time comes.
Wish I was going with you next week! Sounds really good.Good luck with it!
xxxx |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:23 pm |
Hi Eleni
I use the little one..with 1 cm cup.
But I'm going to order the 2 cm. cup..
Do you live in Germany?? I'm from Holland..
I saw the video on You-tube..but that's not the way the vaculift works..
And...you really must use oil on the skin...
Regards
Dia |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:09 pm |
| appletini wrote: |
| I've had cupping done lots of times on my back by different accupuncturists and was always left with circular bruises, often very dark purple. No way would I let them near my face ... |
appletini - this is exactly what I thought initially , but it is NOT the traditional cupping, no purple round spots as outcome involved. It is something totally different, and if you take a look at the videos posted by lunarmm, you will get a pretty good idea:
| lunarmm wrote: |
It seems interesting. This is the first time I've heard of facial cupping but it seems it does exist. It seems to be most popular in Germany. Oil is used on the skin to facilitate the moving of the cups.
In addition to the previous link I posted to the Vaculift website which has a video, I found two videos of facial cupping on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsihv_nNxeU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O9EVhrIFJWU |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:07 pm |
I think I'll start Scraping my face first and by the time my face is ready my DH can buy me vaculift in Gremany.
I do Cupping on myself all the time but still afraid of doing it on my face. |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:51 pm |
| How about using the pore cleanser device which works just like the suction cup? |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:23 am |
| MACrisis wrote: |
I think I'll start Scraping my face first and by the time my face is ready my DH can buy me vaculift in Gremany.
I do Cupping on myself all the time but still afraid of doing it on my face. |
MACrisis, could you share about the cupping you do on yourself?
I'm getting really interested in this technique - I've had it done to me by my acupuncturist, on my back, and I've been reading about how to do it for cellulite.
How do you use it, please? |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:27 am |
| my mom does it all the time for her back. i would think that doing so would horribly slacken facial skin since it is essentially like using a vacuum on your skin. |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:03 am |
| edithsz wrote: |
| How about using the pore cleanser device which works just like the suction cup? |
edithsz- Are you talking about device like this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882103130
If you used such device, how it feels?
I also would be interested in comparison of cupping to pore cleanser device, and if it can be used for cupping. |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:03 am |
| edithsz wrote: |
| How about using the pore cleanser device which works just like the suction cup? |
@ Edithsz: thatīs something completely different. The Panasonic did do nothing for me - not even pore-cleansing. I threw it away. The vaculifter is a multi-purpose thing: pore cleaning oil massage (some here use their fingers), lymph drainage, tightening skin muscles, activating acupuncture spots, boosting circulation...
@ Dia: the 1 cm is designed for eyes, lips, visible wrinkles and it is a little more powerful. Strange, because the bulb is smaller, but thatīs what the manufacturer says. OT: My father war born in Heerlen... My grandmother is Viennese. Iīm Dutch, German, Austrian... Waltzes and Gouda cheese... |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:57 am |
I'm wondering if the vacu - lift has much of an advantage over a regular massage cup that sells for a couple of pounds.
Is it gentler/safer, or easier? or just a nicer gadget?! |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:58 am |
Mpstat,
yes, that is similar to the one that I have, I have an older version. For pore cleansing that device did not do any good and I quit using ages ago. But watching one of the youtube videos posted here previously, I remembered that the pore cleanser did the same thing to my skin, so I thought I might be able to use it again for cupping.
Already got answers that it would be different, although for me visually it does the same thing. Creates vacuum by suction on the skin and you can move it around on your face just like in the youtube video.
I placed the pore cleanser in the charger and I am going to check this out today, anyway. |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:02 am |
Eleni,
thanks for your answer. I agree, for pore cleansing the panasonic was not good at all, so I just placed it in the clutter ages ago.
I am having the pore cleanser charged now and will check it out if it does anything as cupping/massage device at least. |
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:45 pm |
| Eleni wrote: |
| @ Scotlassie : I have only one - the all-pupose 2 cm basic vaculifter. I use it on face, throat and decolletage, around the eyes, on upper lips for boosting and on my arms. Even when my neck is distorted. I think itīs sales marketing to imply you have to buy four different types. Maybe a special vaculifter for the body is o.k. if you fight cellulite. But 4? One costs about 50 VAT included. 20 for shipping - thats hard. |
Thanks, Eleni! I think the all-purpose 2 cm unit makes the most sense to start with as it targets your entire face, neck and decolletage, versus the 1 cm size that looks as if it's intended for your eyes and lip area alone. It's a shame that each Vaculift unit costs so much, as the larger size for your abdominal and leg areas really appeals to me as well. Guess I'll look into a set of manual cups for my legs and stomach as a cost-effective alternative to the Vaculift. In the meanwhile, is there any other product on the market that competes directly with the Vaculift for your face???  |
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