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Sun May 18, 2008 9:30 am  |
| How come everyone gets cupping done on their back? |
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Sun May 18, 2008 10:53 am |
Hi - I watched the technique also on NCN's site as I wanted to see what this whole cupping thing is all about. Not sure I get it yet.... I guess it's to pull out impurities and bring in circulation - probably great for smoker's skin.
Not sure I'm sold in terms of my needs but I'm keeping my eyes open to this. The woman in the video does have beautiful, flawless skin.
I understand the priniciple of the product but wowsa - very expensive for a little hand drawn suction deal. dontcha think. |
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Sun May 18, 2008 2:14 pm |
sistersweets,
You don't have to buy a vaculifter to do facial cupping. The vaculifter just makes it easier as the device is designed for this purpose. If you look earlier in this thread, there are other sources of cupping devices and videos demonstrating them.
The idea of cupping actually comes from Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). This facial cupping technique - where one drags the cups over oiled skin - is an offshoot of that.
Cupping is great for moving lymph (which doesn't have it's own pump - unlike blood which has the heart), etc.
jf,
cupping on the back is a treatment of Traditional Chinese Medicine for stagnant energy:
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/cupping.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_cupping
It used to be done with heat to create the vacuum (thus, the name fire cupping) but is primarily is done with pumps attached to the cups today. |
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Sun May 18, 2008 5:19 pm |
| lunarmm wrote: |
sistersweets,
You don't have to buy a vaculifter to do facial cupping. The vaculifter just makes it easier as the device is designed for this purpose. If you look earlier in this thread, there are other sources of cupping devices and videos demonstrating them.
The idea of cupping actually comes from Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). This facial cupping technique - where one drags the cups over oiled skin - is an offshoot of that.
Cupping is great for moving lymph (which doesn't have it's own pump - unlike blood which has the heart), etc.
jf,
cupping on the back is a treatment of Traditional Chinese Medicine for stagnant energy:
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/cupping.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_cupping
It used to be done with heat to create the vacuum (thus, the name fire cupping) but is primarily is done with pumps attached to the cups today. |
If I do this method Hope to get the same response that gal got!!!!! |
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Mon May 19, 2008 4:17 pm |
| mb935 wrote: |
I watched the vaculift video and its a much different technique than the item i bought from massagecupping.com.
I was going to try the same technique with the bulb and cup (dont know if it would be that easy though)
Do you guys think that getting the vaculift would be worth it for the different technique alone - or do you think both give hte same effects??
thanks!! |
You could probably achieve similar results with the cup and bulb, but it will take 2 hands because the cup comes off easily, and the suction is not as strong. If you want to save time and frustration, I would buy the vaculift, especially now that you can buy it in the US. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 3:12 am |
I have soft rubber cups which I use in the bath, for cellulite massage.
Has anybody tried these AND the vaculift?
I'm wondering if the vaculift is superior. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 6:13 am |
| I ordered the Vaculift from NCN. Doing FlexEffect for over a month the Vaculift sounds great for massage. Excited to give this a try. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 7:33 am |
I just received my vaculift. What are the best oils to use for this. It recommends cold pressed oils. What works the best for you out there that are experienced with this technique?
I haven't done this yet. Want to make sure I have the right products for this procedure. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 7:56 am |
| sherryf13500 wrote: |
I just received my vaculift. What are the best oils to use for this. It recommends cold pressed oils. What works the best for you out there that are experienced with this technique?
I haven't done this yet. Want to make sure I have the right products for this procedure. |
The correct carrier oil depends on your skin type. Lunarmm posted a couple links to sites describing carrier oil properties on the previous page. Here's another one:
http://www.naturesgift.com/aromatherapycar_ord.htm
I use hazelnut oil because I'm oily and acne prone. I also like to use my regular skincare topicals which have a slip to them. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 8:17 am |
| Thanks, for the link. Saves me a lot of time. I have dry skin. I think I may use Rose hip or Argan oil with my Vaculift. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 8:21 am |
| This is a very interesting thread. I'm learning a lot about cupping, which I personally have never heard of before reading this thread. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 3:21 pm |
sherry,
I think rosehip oil is pretty thick is not considered a carrier oil really. Rosehip oil is usually added to a carrier oil in a percentage. I'm not familiar with Argan oil...
For the cupping beauty process, I think you would want a certain amount of slip that a carrier oil gives (thinner v. too thick - usually used for massage). You could add other oils that are thicker like rosehip in a percentage to get the positive properties of them.
Also, certain oils might be cost prohibitive to use for frequent cupping and/or all over your body. I think rosehip might be one of them...
I ordered the oil put together by the vaculifter company so I'll comment on it later...when I get my vaculifter order from Nanci...anxiously waiting (I'm waiting for the small body one to come in)...panting  |
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42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Tue May 20, 2008 4:59 pm |
| Can you give me more information? This is the first I heard of and I can't believe you can cup your face, the cups must be very tinny then, I alos know Chinese uses it but it leaves a bruise mark on the body, how can we do it on our face? |
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:16 pm |
| boski wrote: |
| sherryf13500 wrote: |
I just received my vaculift. What are the best oils to use for this. It recommends cold pressed oils. What works the best for you out there that are experienced with this technique?
I haven't done this yet. Want to make sure I have the right products for this procedure. |
The correct carrier oil depends on your skin type. Lunarmm posted a couple links to sites describing carrier oil properties on the previous page. Here's another one:
http://www.naturesgift.com/aromatherapycar_ord.htm
I use hazelnut oil because I'm oily and acne prone. I also like to use my regular skincare topicals which have a slip to them. |
Thank you boski,
I am checking this out as I am also oily and interested in the small vaculifter. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:22 pm |
Boski,
Do you have a favorite Hazlenut (brand) that you use? I did put this in my favorites - I know that NCN has an oil to purchase from her as that is where I will get the vacullifter but I would rather use something best for my skin.
Again thanks. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:23 pm |
sfong,
The cupping for face is a beauty offshoot from Traditional Chinese Medicine. I really suggest you read the thread from the beginning. You will see links to video demos, etc. In the facial cupping, one uses a carrier oil and manual suction (you control the amount of suction manually) and drag the cup across the face in a specific protocol.
Hope that helps as an intro. There is much more info in the rest of the thread. Happy reading! |
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Tue May 20, 2008 6:22 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Boski,
Do you have a favorite Hazlenut (brand) that you use? I did put this in my favorites - I know that NCN has an oil to purchase from her as that is where I will get the vacullifter but I would rather use something best for my skin.
Again thanks. |
I've bought hazelnut oil from both Nature's Gift and Garden of Wisdom. I like the Clarifying Synergy EO mix that Nature's Gift sells. I add a few drops of this to my hazelnut oil. It's a wonderful blend of helichrysum, german chamomile, manuka, french lavender, rose geranium. Great for oily, acne prone skintypes. I occasionally use this mix as a topical at night instead of 302. Great moisturizer for the day too. Not greasy at all. |
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Tue May 20, 2008 6:36 pm |
| Oh boski - Bless you and thanks. I will be checking this out. So this will work with cupping? |
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Tue May 20, 2008 7:26 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| Oh boski - Bless you and thanks. I will be checking this out. So this will work with cupping? |
Yes, I've used my hazelnut/EO mix with the vaculift on several occasions. It works really well . |
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Tue May 20, 2008 7:34 pm |
lunarmm
Thanks for the information, your right lots of reading, I will spent more time on the weekend and see if I can get the video. I am not a very technical person and am not sure if I can do the cupping myself. Do you know if anyone out there will do it with a small fee? |
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Tue May 20, 2008 7:45 pm |
sfong,
I don't know where you're located. Some places do facial cupping. Check your local massage and beauty places. Also check at centers that provide Traditional Chinese Medicine (acupuncture, etc.)...
For instance, you can search "facial cupping" with Google. Here's some places that come up:
http://www.activetcm.com/treatments.htm
http://www.touchofki.com/cupping.htm
http://www.healingwithstillpoint.com/facial.htm
I think it would be much more cost-effective though to learn how to do it yourself because it's something you should do on a regular basis. Maybe you'd be more comfortable if you went to someone once and see how they do it and then order stuff to do it at home... |
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Wed May 21, 2008 7:58 am |
I did my first vaculift last night. I guess it went okay. I did it for about 10 minutes, somthing like that.
I didn't do it very hard. No red marks.
What should it do the first time?
I used it with Rose hip seed oil. I did my dermabrasion hand held thing and then washed my face and did the vaculift with the rose hip. I left the rose hip stuff on and went to bed.
So I saw nothing from the vaculift. Should I? |
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Wed May 21, 2008 6:34 pm |
Ok, you can all sigh with relief - my Vaculifter has arrived! In fact, they sent me both Face 1 and 2 because of the original one getting lost in the post. So I used it for the first time this morning. I was wondering when I was going to incorporate this into my ever increasing beauty regimen. I seem to finish my morning routine, have lunch, then start my evening routine!  I had bought some avocado oil to use with it but then I decided I would try it with OCM in the morning. Because I use a mixture of castor oil and EVOO I thought the sucking in combination with the castor oil would really help with cleaning out the pores.
First I used the Face 1 (2cm cup) - the suction is fierce. However, I had some difficulty with suction getting broken. So I tried the smaller 1cm cup (Face 1). I thought this was easier to use - although I haven't really perfected my technique with just one go. I liked the feel of the massaging to my face and my face went the colour of beetroot and tingled a bit. I didn't massage for very long, just until the redness started. I've spent 12 months getting rid of all my broken caps with a skin roller so I don't want to suck them all back - so I'll have to monitor how I go.
Anyway, I enjoyed the experience of it - but I love doing physical things to my skin. After all, I'm stabbing with a roller, burning the skin off with acid, electrifying myself with microcurrent and Dermawand - now I'm sucking the life out of it. Oh well, on with the routine! |
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Wed May 21, 2008 8:22 pm |
Hi, I was so interested with the early stages of this post that I investigated and boufght myself a cupping set. Now, I haven't bothered to scroll through the more recent pages, so sorry if I am repetitive!
After checking the Vaculifter price and details I decided to look for a cheaper model. On ebay I ordered a Chinese set called Kangzhu. It has 12 different sized plastic cups (inc the small ones). It has a kind of gun shaped handle that you pump once or twice to produce suction. There is also a spare hose. The cups attach right onto the gun. There are also some magnets you can add to the cups - not sure of what the do?
It has an instruction booklet in Chinese and English that describes what points to use for various ailments. It was only $10 plus postage!
I haven't tried it yet because of my debacle of having resty in my NL and marionettes (not that it seems to have lasted beyond all the bruising and swelling!!)-post question for juvederm users
However I am concerned about using this so soon after the injections. What do you think?? 
Also, have a look on Oz ebay and see what you think?
It also has a web address: www.kdwz.com.cn |
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Wed May 21, 2008 10:40 pm |
Juliemarie,
(1) I don't think I would do use cups on the face soon after having injectibles done. The cupping may move what you paid to have placed in a particular place  For now, I would relegate the cups use to your body.
(2) I don't know you will be able to do this beauty technique (v. traditional cupping). In the beauty technique, you manually vary the suction and drag the cups over an oil area. I didn't see pictures of the cups at the website you linked to - plus it's not in English - so I can't tell definitively.
As I said, you need to be able to vary the suction manually and be able to drag the cups over an oiled area. That's why the facial cupping sets sold on the following pages include a manual squeeze pump in addition to the "extractor" -- the full pressure of the extractor is only to be used on scars ... or to extract insect or snake venom 
http://www.massagecupping.com/equipmentandproducts.htm ($25 + $7.50 S&H for me) http://www.ib3health.com/products/SuctionCupping/FacialCupping.shtml ($25 + $10.95 S&H for me).
The instructions that come with the facial cupping kit state that part of the procedure is to use the squeeze pump part to do a suction/release process. For full instructions that came with the kit, see:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=375257#375257
(3) Although you can buy cheaper cups, the vaculifter is designed specifically for this beauty technique - easy to drag and control the suction. If you are planning to do this daily, it might be worth the investment for ease of use. |
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