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Sat May 31, 2008 4:08 pm |
Hello,
Thank you all for your input on the eye area.
I really like using jojoba oil on the face. Jojoba is supposed to be one of the best oils to use.(I just can't remember where I read that, or I'd post a link)
I'm going to see if I can find the Vaculift video in German without the translation.
Maybe I learn something new that got lost in translation |
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Sat May 31, 2008 5:46 pm |
Toby wrote: |
As for the face I use the lymph draining method that was on another site |
Toby,
Can you please tell me more about the lymph draining method? Also, can you provide the link to the discussion from another site?
Thank you. |
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Sat May 31, 2008 6:01 pm |
This was posted here by Lunarmm and it is instructions for another face cupping set other than vaculift, but I use the basis for the vaculift. I will pm you more information.
Toby
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1. Turn the face to the side. Begin at the base of the ear and move down the neck and across the bottom of the clavicle using a suction/release method. Do the three passes in the group (1) area and repeat the pattern three times.
2. Begin low underneath the chin and glide over to the jaw at the base of the ear. Move up and do the next two glides (the third should be just under the jaw line). Repeat the pattern three times. Pick up what was deposited from group (2) at the base of the ear and drain down the neck using suction / release method.
3. Turn the face forward, and begin gliding drainage from the chin over to the side of the face. Do the three glides in the group (3) section, repeat three times. Drain down the side of the face and down the neck using suction / release.
4. Change to the small elongaged cup or smallest round cup. Work over the upper lip and pause over any lines or indentations to lift. Finish with a long glide to the side of the face. Repeat three times. Group (4).
5. Switch back to the large cup. This section begins at the bottom end of the nostril and glides across the face to the side. The second movement begins with a pause over the sinus - either "park it" or "pump it", then continue with a glide to the side. Finish with the third glide of the (5) section, and repeat three times. Finish with drainage down the side of the face, down the neck and across the clavicle.
6. Move to the point just between the eyes, and hold with suction to release that muscle. Do three slow glides on section (6) to release tension, repeat three times. Suction / release down the side of the face and neck to drain.
7. Begin at the center of the forehead and move across section (7) slowly to release the frontalis muscle. Follow the three gliding paths, and repeat three times. Suction / release down the side of the face and neck.
8. Change to the smallest round or oblong cup. Starting at the inside of the eye orbit, suction release slowly across the top of the orbit to move fluids to exterior corner of the eye. Get as close to the eyeball as possible, without touching it with the rim of the cup. You may glide the cup down the side of the face. Next, suction / release under the eye, getting as close as is comfortable. Repeat section 8 three times.
9. Change back to the largest cup, or stay with the smallest round cup if the largest will not seal over the brow ridge. Lift the inner brow up with the fingers of the other hand, place the cup down and suction in place for as long as it will hold (or a minute). Move the cup over slightly towads the outer end of the brow and repeat. Keep repeating until the end of the brow. Do this pattern on section (9) three times. Place cup back at the point between the eyebrows and glide over across the top of the brow line - the lowest glide from section (7). Suction / release down the side of the face and neck.
Repeat these patterns on the left side of the face. Check at the end for any areas that need extra attention, or these can be worked in between other sections. |
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Sat May 31, 2008 9:34 pm |
Thanks!!! |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:49 am |
mb935
If you do not have any other pump to attach to the venom extractor try to do this:
Place a cup attached to the extractor in your hand or any other part of your body you feel comfortable with.
Then instead pulling all the way the tube, just do it half or less, then push all the way down and test how the suction feels.
If still feels strong then repeat but this time pulling the inner piece less than before.
It has worked for me, but still feel it a lot more comfortable and easier to work with, attached to a manual pump.
There are pics posted on the FE boards (the link is posted somewhere in this thread) but for some reason FE forum is down since yesterday
Be careful with the edges of the extractor around your eyes |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:11 am |
Someone please post exactly what the Vaculift does each time you use it. Does it clean out your pores each time? etc. |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:26 am |
Mmm.. I hope others post as well. It helps move your lymph, stimulates circulation, plumps up your skin, can help clear out your pores, etc.
The hope, is as I continue, it will help "youthify" my skin with longer-lasting results from using it as part of my skin care protocol.
I definitely recommend that you check out the video that's available on Nanci's (NCN) site and watch it to see it's use:
http://www.ncnproskincare.com/skin-care-products/skincare-product-catalog/vacu-lift.html
Nanci also has some research on the vaculifter results that you can request from her. |
_________________ 42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:39 pm |
Any tips on cupping the neck? I read on another forum one must be careful on the neck because of glands. Right now I am starting under the chin and going straight down with suction/release method. The neck is hard for me to keep suction.
I would like to hear how the rest of you are doing your neck. Thanks |
_________________ As I am getting older I realize my biggest beauty secret is smile more and frown less. Be aware that wrinkles do not make a person unattractive. Cynicism, unforgiveness, anger and jealousy are the real culprits. Sixty something |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:20 pm |
Winnie wrote: |
Any tips on cupping the neck? I read on another forum one must be careful on the neck because of glands. Right now I am starting under the chin and going straight down with suction/release method. The neck is hard for me to keep suction.
I would like to hear how the rest of you are doing your neck. Thanks |
It's probably wise to avoid the lower mid-line of the neck, as that is where the thyroid is located.
I'm having the best luck moving horizontally from chin to ear and down, which enables the lymphatic drainage at the same time. I just move down the neck inch by inch and go across, avoiding the immediate center altogether. (I hope that is somewhat clear.. )
Now I have a question....... All this oil is giving me zits and blackheads. I didn't notice the tiny blackheads until I looked at myself in a magnifying mirror. And I have a zit above my lip and one on by jawline. They are like a hard bump but somewhat itchy........Now what do I do?
I wonder if something other than oil can be used. Or does anybody have any suggestions on making the oil a thinner consistency?
Doesn't it just figure, that it wouldn't go off without a hitch.... |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:29 pm |
lunarmm wrote: |
Nanci also has some research on the vaculifter results that you can request from her. |
Just an FYI...the research is not yet available because she has to have it translated from German! She said she would let me know as soon as it is ready. |
_________________ No longer answering PM's due to numerous weird messages. |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:42 pm |
Thanks, Bethany! for the update re: the research.
Hi Winnie - On the neck, I too have more difficulty keeping suction there. I'm practicing. I like Kris' idea to go straight down from the ear. The only area I would avoid if any - is directly over the thyroid (lower midline).
Kris - what kind of oil are you using? I've been using the oil from the vaculifter maker that I ordered from Nanci with no problem. I have dry skin though. I have no idea on the content of this oil as it doesn't say on the container or on Nanci or the vaculifter's website. I'd like to know though....
BTW, I know Scali is having breakouts on the face using the vaculifter with what she usually uses fine on her face (hazelnut oil). So, she's asking Nanci for a sample of the vaculifter oil to try. Scali's not sure though if the hazelnut has gone bad cause she's had it for a while.... Otherwise, she's thinking the vaculifter does indeed increase absorption of the oil and it's too much for her skin (which tends to be oily).
I do have an idea that anything that can give enough slip to the vaculifter could be used but what?! Water with glycerin mixed in or something might even work or emu oil added to a water mister (shake well or you might even need an emulsifier) - you could be the guinea pig Have you checked the websites that list carrier oil properties. You could try the lighter of the oils. I think grapeseed is pretty light.
Some websites that list carrier oil properties:
http://www.zhealthinfo.com/carrier.htm
http://www.aromaweb.com/articles/whatcarr.asp
http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkoil/bulkoil.php |
_________________ 42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:16 pm |
Here is the translation of the Vaculifter oil;
{Cold press, hocwertiges oil with vitamin E out of ecological annex. Freely of paraffin oil, aroma materials,
color materials, and preservation materials.}
So I would assume a pure vitamin E, and several other cold pressed oils would suffice. I guess the main thing is to make sure whatever we use is free of preservatives and fragrance.
My skin is fairly normal with an occasionally oily T-zone. I think the frequency I've been doing it might be the problem. I'm going to cut back to every other day, and see what I can figure out to change the oil mix a little.
I'll be the 'guinea pig'.... and keep you posted on the outcome.
For starters, I think I'll try EVOO with a little vitamin E and see how that goes for the next two cupping sessions. |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:36 pm |
I am using the oil that NCN sells especially for the Vaculifter. So far, so good. My chin area has large pores. It is not unusual for me to break out from time to time on the chin. The one thing I notice since using the Vaculifter is the pores on my chin and nose look smaller. Yes, I have managed to use the small face on my nose . As far as the oil, I use as little as possible. Just enough to get a slip. After I use the Vaculifter I wash my face. I am using NCN's Rhassoul Clay Cleansing Bar. This cleanser is wonderful and removes all traces of oil from my skin without stripping it of natural oil. I was impressed with the benefits of using this soap.
http://www.ncnproskincare.com/news/latest/new-anti-aging-skin-care-products.html
Kris, it might not be unusual at all to break out for a brief period starting the Vaculifter. Lets face it this little gadget is bringing everything to the surface to purge the skin. |
_________________ As I am getting older I realize my biggest beauty secret is smile more and frown less. Be aware that wrinkles do not make a person unattractive. Cynicism, unforgiveness, anger and jealousy are the real culprits. Sixty something |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:34 pm |
Kris_*Kringle* wrote: |
Here is the translation of the Vaculifter oil;
{Cold press, hocwertiges oil with vitamin E out of ecological annex. Freely of paraffin oil, aroma materials,
color materials, and preservation materials.} |
What the heck is hocwertiges oil?!? |
_________________ 42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:57 pm |
Per Nanci, here are the ingredients in the facial oil:
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The ingredients in the face oil are:
Prunus Dulcis Oil, Glycine Soja Oil, Persea Gratissima Oil, Carthamus Tinctorius Oil, Sesamus Indicum Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis Oil, Calendula Officinalis Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate, Bisabolol, Tocopheryl, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid |
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pinklily
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:20 pm |
All this sounds very interesting. Has anyone noticed any changes in pore sizes? I really want to tr this but, I'm worried that the suctioning would stretch the skin?...or damage the structural components of skin underneath?...or get rid of layer of fat underneath, making skin look older? |
_________________ Visit pinkhealthandbeauty website. |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:10 pm |
Winnie, Nanci sent me a sample of the cleansing bar, I'll give that a try next cupping session. I also think you have a point about about the 'purging'. So the bright side is it's working to pull all the crud out. I also didn't skimp on the oil, so scaling that back a little won't hurt either.
bethany, you're my hero..
I never even thought to check NCN for the ingredients, just went right to the 'German' site, and then to the translator........Your version is so much better..
lunarmm, I had the very same reaction , right after the word 'warthog' came to mind.. |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:57 am |
lunarmm wrote: |
Kris_*Kringle* wrote: |
Here is the translation of the Vaculifter oil;
{Cold press, hocwertiges oil with vitamin E out of ecological annex. Freely of paraffin oil, aroma materials,
color materials, and preservation materials.} |
What the heck is hocwertiges oil?!? |
Hochwertig means high worthy, precious, so no reason to be afraid.
It's weird to read how some people experience that their pores get cleansed and pore size decreases from the suction, while others have the opposite outcome. There has been a thread about oil cleansing method recently where quite a few people told they have got severe breakouts from it. Others swears by it.
I would also think that a second cleanse to get rid of all the oil should be helpful to avoid blackheads. |
_________________ Female, 40, Norway. Normal/dry skin, starting to see signs of aging. Staples: Glycolic acid cleanser, SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Revaleskin, NIA24. |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:34 am |
I also can't understand the blackheads. The purging aspect makes sense though. However, with the blackheads, the theory of OCM is that oil cleanses oil and the sucking action of the Vaculifter should be accentuating that effect. Also blackheads are dirt or sebum that is trapped in the pores - the part near the surface of the skin oxidizes and turns black, hence the name. So I find it strange that some people aren't experiencing a cleansing of the pores with the Vaculifter. I definitely am and my pores are looking diminished. I do think it's very important to thoroughly wash all the oil off the face after use - a final swipe with a non-alcohol toner is useful too. |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:33 am |
lunarmm wrote: |
Kris_*Kringle* wrote: |
Here is the translation of the Vaculifter oil;
{Cold press, hocwertiges oil with vitamin E out of ecological annex. Freely of paraffin oil, aroma materials,
color materials, and preservation materials.} |
What the heck is hocwertiges oil?!? |
That should be "hochwertiges" and it means high quality
I could translate the info on the vaculift if somebody forwards me the German original. |
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SeanaLeigh
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:48 am |
I registered on this forum as I am very interested in this device. My one concern is bruising. Has anyone experienced this? Thank you very much. |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:36 am |
Winnie thats so funny I got a sample of that cleanser and have been using it too and really rate it. I like the consistency, its really easy to massage into the skin and doesn't feel like its overstripping the skin, plus seems to work really well for shaving as well (a plus in my account - I know you don't have to deal with this but hey every bit of info helps).
I too have open pores around the sides of my nose and have been using the vaculifter there and am experiencing the same as you. The pores do look like they are temporarily diminishing after its use. I am very happy. I really don't find that it works the muscles that great, and have experimented with it and am going to keep trying for a few days, but I love its effect on the connective tissue. Its truly a great device.
With regard to bruising, I haven't bruised yet, but I get the impression that you would only bruise if you overused the device in the beginning. My skin is tough though, I have been doing facial exercises (and aggressive ones) for years and years and trained in massage so my face is in quite good shape on the whole.
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:43 am |
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translation of the Vaculifter oil:
{Cold press, hocwertiges oil with vitamin E out of ecological annex. Freely of paraffin oil, aroma materials, color materials, and preservation materials.} |
See the "hocwertiges" is generic info to me and is not specific as to WHAT KIND of oil it is (the source). Like is it jojoba, hazelnut, a blend, etc.?
The price of the vaculifter oil is expensive and info should be given to justify the high price (IMO). I think Scali said it's supposed to be "oxygenated". But even that is not stated on the item or the website (as far as I know). |
_________________ 42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:44 am |
I have the bulb cupping device from massagecupping.com and the directions said to hold above the brow for as long as possible (or a minute) so I did that - a minute 3x equaling 3 minutes for each section of the brow!!! I did have a bruise over both brows. I contacted Anita and she wondered how I got the cup to stay that long in the area. I guess I didnt understand the directions.
Also I tried using the extractor and it did work - i got a much stronger suction than with the bulb. Thanks |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:59 am |
mb935 wrote: |
Also I tried using the extractor and it did work - i got a much stronger suction than with the bulb. Thanks |
The extractor that comes with that kit is only recommended for bug bite extraction (which it was originally made for) and for scar work. It is not recommended at all for cupping massage - it creates too powerful a suction! Please read your instructions carefully. |
_________________ 42yo, natural strawberry blonde so fair skin, blue-eyed, and dry skin |
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