Review: Karin Herzog skincare
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free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:06 pm

lilredhead wrote:

cookie wrote:

A spa that sells KH told me to use a C serum and top it with one of the Kombis. She said she uses it that way with great results. So that is why I am using the 302 C boost with KH. I haven't tried it with the 302 serum because I am afraid to do it with the avocatin.

Blues that would be great if we could find out what Dr. Huber has to say.

Yeah, I've thought about using the KH over the avocatin products, but I doubt I'll try it... don't want to risk irritation. Also Huber seems to think that less is more and advises against applying 2 actives on the same day and I tend to believe that most of his advice is sound.

I think you two are doing it just the way you're supposed too. I'm just interested in these fast results that arn't supposed to happen.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:12 pm

BLUES... I don't have a great deal of damage or scarring and also I'm very thin skinned so maybe that is why it's working faster. I just dunno. hmm

BETHANY... I think that alot of the girls that use the KH are seeing diminished hyperpigmentation so it may be a good choice for you. Also in some instances CP's will exacerbate hyperpigmentation as it brings damaged skin to the surface.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:22 pm

lilredhead wrote:

BETHANY... I think that alot of the girls that use the KH are seeing diminished hyperpigmentation so it may be a good choice for you. Also in some instances CP's will exacerbate hyperpigmentation as it brings damaged skin to the surface.

KH helps with hyperpigmentation too? This is getting even better. Maybe it's due the Vit A?

And I think that I am definite seeing damaged skin come to the surface with the CPs...oh joy. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:22 pm

lilredhead wrote:

BLUES... I don't have a great deal of damage or scarring and also I'm very thin skinned so maybe that is why it's working faster. I just dunno. hmm

BETHANY... I think that alot of the girls that use the KH are seeing diminished hyperpigmentation so it may be a good choice for you. Also in some instances CP's will exacerbate hyperpigmentation as it brings damaged skin to the surface.

It's all good Lilredhead. Surprised

Keep the info coming.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:37 pm

You know Bethany, I really think that the oxygen is what does it. When I first tried this line I thought it was kind of a joke. I mean, I'm an ingredients reader, I anaylize everything to the point where people probably want to run from me screaming Rolling Eyes

and when I read the list on my Kombi I was like OH, yeah...Right. There is nothing fancy in it it has to be how it's formulated it's magic or mojo or something!!!! Laughing

I mean it!!! It WORKS!! I never thought it would!!! I loved that Kombi cream so much that I bought the whole line!! It's crazy... everything works an I can't anaylize why. Crying or Very sad

Any ways itis fading my light freckling. Maybe some of the girls with hyperpigmentation issues will chime in.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:43 pm

lilredhead wrote:

You know Bethany, I really think that the oxygen is what does it.

Well, my Retin-A isn't exactly removing my hyperpigmentation at lightening speed. And I did 12 months on Tri-Luma (Vit A there too) and that didn't help either.

The oxygen sounds like it may be the missing ingredient. And I am very interested in the synergies between KH and 302.

Very intriguing...I printed out the patent info and am going to read it tonight.

Thanks for sharing!! Smile

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:49 pm

lilredhead wrote:

You know Bethany, I really think that the oxygen is what does it. When I first tried this line I thought it was kind of a joke. I mean, I'm an ingredients reader, I anaylize everything to the point where people probably want to run from me screaming Rolling Eyes

and when I read the list on my Kombi I was like OH, yeah...Right. There is nothing fancy in it it has to be how it's formulated it's magic or mojo or something!!!! Laughing

I mean it!!! It WORKS!! I never thought it would!!! I loved that Kombi cream so much that I bought the whole line!! It's crazy... everything works an I can't anaylize why. Crying or Very sad

Any ways itis fading my light freckling. Maybe some of the girls with hyperpigmentation issues will chime in.

Yep, I think it's the oxygen for sure because I was a Retin-A user and it didn't do much for the light hyperpigmentation I have at the top of my forehead. It is slowly disappearing AND my broken caps are, as well.

Magic, mojo, whatever. This stuff does work, I agree!

Think about it though now, knowing the exact reason why is not the most important thing. Having a solid understanding of how/why is probably good enough as long as your skin looks outstanding. Know what I mean? Smile

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:53 pm

bethany wrote:

lilredhead wrote:

You know Bethany, I really think that the oxygen is what does it.

Well, my Retin-A isn't exactly removing my hyperpigmentation at lightening speed. And I did 12 months on Tri-Luma (Vit A there too) and that didn't help either.

The oxygen sounds like it may be the missing ingredient. And I am very interested in the synergies between KH and 302.

Very intriguing...I printed out the patent info and am going to read it tonight.

Thanks for sharing!! Smile

I don't know how much info the patent will actually give you. I'll be curious to see what you say though. Like sis said, it's been around a long time and no raids from the FDA yet,ala JM. Something I've learned in my time here, nothing is ever what it seems and if it seems new, even though it isn't, watch out. KH works differently from anything I've ever used and it gives good results for so many. And like Lilred said, you read the ingredients and think WTH kind of list is that. Looking forward to your thoughts.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:59 pm

Okay, I'm off to bed to put more free radical attracting Vita K2 on my face. Wish me luck.

Today's pudding:

BTW, I had breakouts last night (from the Tonic Lotion) and with the Oxygen Face Cream, they are almost completely gone today (easily covered w/one light layer of MMU).

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 10:02 pm

Scaly,
Your skin looks incredible, quite lovely. And I too am off with the hope my face will not slide right off into my pillow tonight.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 10:04 pm

Oh, I don't think the patent info will change my mind...I just like to educate myself to whatever extent possible (within reason, of course Laughing

).

At the end of the day, if KH is doing what other products don't AND it is getting accolades by some serious product testers (that would be you guys), then it's worth trying.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 10:09 pm

BluesHeart wrote:

Scaly,
Your skin looks incredible, quite lovely.

YES Scaly, the skin does indeed look fab, but I was shocked by the hair...I had thought you had super short hair! Shock

Very pretty!

I guess it has always been pulled back in the other photos I have seen.

BTW, can you fill me in on this detoxing that you have mentioned elsewhere? Is that a detox process that you follow, or are you saying your skin is detoxing in the form of little dastardly breakouts?

Tue May 13, 2008 10:10 pm

scalawaggirl wrote:

Think about it though now, knowing the exact reason why is not the most important thing. Having a solid understanding of how/why is probably good enough as long as your skin looks outstanding. Know what I mean? Smile

That is so true.

bethany wrote:

Oh, I don't think the patent info will change my mind...I just like to educate myself to whatever extent possible (within reason, of course Laughing

).

At the end of the day, if KH is doing what other products don't AND it is getting accolades by some serious product testers (that would be you guys), then it's worth trying.

That's kind of funny, Bethany. I liked to know too but whether or not it will change my mind or sway me from trying something is often another thing altogether! Laughing

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 2:05 am

Hello Ladies!

I just had to drop in and let you all know that I've spent the better part of the past 4 weeks testing several KH products (using nothing else), and I am supremely impressed with everything I've tried! So much so, that I have decided to stop using all my regular daily skin care products and continue with KH exclusively for the next 90+ days. Dancing

I was fortunate to come across a local distributor of KH who was able to help me create a start-up plan with the products, and who also introduced me to a experienced KH esthetician who I was able to meet in person for additional guidance. Talk about hitting the jackpot! For the first time in my life I am thrilled at the idea of having an esthetician that I can use on a regular basis who won't push products on me that I don't need or want! Now I can have engaging and informative discussions with a skin care specialist about a product line that I am truly enjoying and seeing RESULTS with - woo hoo! Oh, and did I mention that I have the choice of EIGHT different KH facial treatments to look forward to! Yup, this esthetician is the girl to go to for a HK facial and I can't wait to try one soon!

It was also interesting to meet someone who has used the entire line of Karin Herzog products herself, as well as on her clients, for 4 years now. At the age of 26, my new esthetician could easily pass for someone 16 to 18 years old; that is how GORGEOUS and FLAWLESS her über-youthful skin is! She cannot rave about the KH line enough and neither can the other women in the salon where she works (the age range of these women varies from mid 20's to mid-40's). They all use KH and love the products - and no one has had ANY bizarre reactions from the H202, nor do they fear any free radical damage is imminent as a result! Rolling Eyes

In fact, they scoff and laugh at such a notion, as the proof is indeed in the proverbial puddin' as every one of the staff using the line has lovely skin. This is also the ONLY skin care line this high-end salon has used and sold for the past 4 to 5 years - which speaks volumes to me as well! So for the uninitiated, jump in and order some samples, you've got nothing to fear or lose by trying these amazing products!

Thank you, Bluesheart, for bringing the Karin Herzog line to our attention, and for taking the time to test these products out for a healthy period of time before you wrote your review. I appreciate both factors and can honestly say I've become a *KH convert* along with everyone else in this thread! Very Happy

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 3:20 am

I thought I would share the "introductory program" that I was advised to follow in case it helps others who are debating on what products to start with. The product routine suggested to me is geared for those who want anti-aging benefits (fighting fine lines and wrinkles and sagging) have dry, sensitive skin, and hyperpigmentation issues.

I've been using a combination of KH products for 4 weeks now, but started out with a specific program during the first two weeks until my skin slowly acclimated. These are the products that were suggested. You'll notice there is no Essential Mask or Oxygen Mask. I was advised to incorporate these later on as the primary concern was to help my skin adjust with ease to the key oxygen products; the Vita-Kombi range.

Chocolate Cleanser (can interchange with Professional Cleansing Cream if desired; I was given samples of both)
Eye Cream
Vita-Kombi-1%
Vitamin H Cream
Mild Scrub

If you have very dry, sensitive skin, you will want to follow this regime for two weeks before you attempt to try VK2. Truth is, those with really dry and/or sensitive skin may find the VK2 too strong no matter what, which is fine, as they can happily continue with the VK1 indefinitely if their skin tolerates it well. The results will come with the VK1, trust me! Here is a more detailed description of what I did during the first two weeks and my impressions of each product.

Chocolate Cleanser - Once in the PM. This cleanser smells delicious and is the BEST I have ever used for instantly removing grime and make-up effortlessly, and not leaving my skin feeling dry or tight afterwards. I massage a small amount onto dry skin, then rinse with cotton pads, then gently wipe my face with my PSF microfiber cloth at the very end to remove any remaining residue, then splash with cool water. This method may seem involved but it really isn't! It works extremely well and I never have the sensation that my face isn't completely clean (as the oil in both the Chocolate and Professional Cleanser's can give you that impression if you do not use the cotton pads and/or a cleansing cloth to remove it properly). These two cleansers are so effective that I only use them at night as it seems complete over-kill to use either again in the AM.

Now I rarely have acne but I do suffer from the odd hormonal break-out (like the day I happened to meet with the KH esthetician Rolling Eyes

). She immediately advised me to use the Chocolate Cleanser any time I have anything hormonal going on as it will really help to prevent any additional break-out's. I've used it regularly for a while now and I cannot believe how effective it is, in fact, I prefer it over the regular Professional Cleansing Cream (which is still a great cleanser, but I find it a wee bit heavier than the Chocolate version in some way).

Vita-Kombi-1% - PM only for very sensitive or rosacea prone skin, or AM & PM for those who are semi-sensitive (like myself Wink

) and can tolerate it well. For the first three days I used VK1 once a day in the PM to see what would happen and by day four I began using it twice a day with no difficulties. I continued with the VK1 twice a day for seven more days before I moved onto a stronger oxygen product. I must admit that I

LOVE

the VK1 and witnessed immediate results in reduced pore size and improved skin texture that began literally from day one of using it.

*NOTE* I didn't see any mention of this earlier in the thread, though it may exist and I missed it, but I was advised (and have read elsewhere online) that when you apply the VK1 you should leave it on your skin uninterrupted for at least 5-7 minutes before you apply another product. This is what my new esthetician instructed me to do before I applied my Vitamin H Cream, so I did (but I don't know why, exactly, this is important as it doesn't appear necessary with the VK2 or VK3.. hmm

).

Eye Cream - Twice a day AM & PM. WOW - I love this eye cream!!!! It is so silky and hydrating and isn't heavy or a burden to apply make-up over. I wear contact lenses which means my eyes are EXREMELY sensitive to eye creams that have a habit of leaching into my eyes the moment I pop my lenses in. This eye cream has never caused any sensitivities at all; no burning, or watering of eyes, or itchiness. I can't say it's done much for my hooded lids (in terms of firming), but it has brightened the eye area and helped to diminish puffiness that I experience on a regular basis, which is great! As for fine lines, the jury is out on this one at the moment. Though I love this product and intend to keep using it, I *might* incorporate the 302 Eye Firming product as a means of addressing some of the issues that the KH isn't.

Vitamin H Cream - Twice a day AM & PM on top of the VK1. Holy smokes I love this cream and find it delivers even better results when I use it on top of the VK1, versus alone. A little goes a long way and you do need to gently massage it in or else you run the risk of yellow residue appearing on your skin (this cream truly is school bus yellow, as Bluesheart noted!). It is very moisturizing, yet gentle and non-clogging, and will leave your skin velvety soft. In terms of reducing fine lines and wrinkles, it's too early to say. Some days the fine lines look as if they've vanished and other days they suddenly re-appear. I am hoping that consistent daily use will produce longer-lasting results.

Mild Scrub - Once to twice a week. Due to my dry, sensitive skin, I was advised to mix the Mild Scrub with the Professional Cleansing Cream, instead of using it on it's own. I've done this several times and really like the effect. For the first two weeks I was also advised to use the Mild Scrub once a week only. I followed this advice and then progressed to twice a week (if I felt I needed it) from that point forth. I still continue to mix the Scrub and Cleanser together (basically a 50/50 ratio), and find this effective for my skin type.

During weeks two to three, I was advised to drop the VK1 and incorporate Vita-A-Apricot in it's place. My routine was supposed to be:

Professional Cleansing Cream
Eye Cream
Vita-A-Apricot
Vitamin H Cream (if needed, on top of Vita-A-Apricot)
Mild Scrub

Well, my skin felt somewhat overwhelmed with the Vita-A-Apricot, and even more so when I applied Vitamin H Cream on top. This was simply waaaayyyy too much for some reason, and I began to detect little break-outs. Not the hard bumps that happened during the first two weeks (yes, this must be a rite of passage into this line as I experienced these bumps around my chin), no, the break-outs I experienced were red & blotchy irritations. I also felt that the use of the Professional Cleansing Cream made matters worse. So I stopped using the PCC and started back up with the Chocolate Cleanser and continued to use Vita-A-Apricot once a day in the PM only, but didn't use the Vitamin H Cream on top. Instead, I reserved the Vitamin H Cream for the AM's only and used it on top of the VK1, which I reintroduced. This routine worked out well enough, but after 10-14 days, I felt my skin was still struggling with the Vita-A-Apricot. Bottom line is I will not be ordering a full-size jar of this as I think it's simply too rich for my skin. Even though it is positioned for dry-skin types like myself, I felt it was too heavy in some way - it'll probably be great for the winter though!

I really like the VK1 + Vitamin H combo in the AM and will now try the VK2 + Vitamin H at night to see how my skin adjusts to the 2% Vita-Kombi.

Oh boy, sorry for the long post, Shock

it's just there is so much to share about this great skincare line and the different ways to use the products.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 3:50 am

Scotslass,
Thanks so much for posting all this great info! I have dry, sensitive, rosacea-prone skin. I went to the KH UK site, and found the right protocol for my skin type, BUT I also wanted to incorporate some of the choco products...so you have posted a great starting point for someone like me!

I've been overwhelmed by all the wonderful info on this thread, so your "long" post is actually keeping it short and simple for someone like me! Shock

This is a great thread, and as soon as budget allows, I will be making my KH plunge!

Let me add my thanks to BluesHeart for sharing her find, and to EDS for including it in their product offerings!

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 3:52 am

bethany wrote:

BluesHeart wrote:

Scaly,
Your skin looks incredible, quite lovely.

YES Scaly, the skin does indeed look fab, but I was shocked by the hair...I had thought you had super short hair! Shock

Very pretty!

I guess it has always been pulled back in the other photos I have seen.

BTW, can you fill me in on this detoxing that you have mentioned elsewhere? Is that a detox process that you follow, or are you saying your skin is detoxing in the form of little dastardly breakouts?

Thanks, Blues! Every day my skin gets better and better. You may soon achieve French triple kiss status à la Mme. Herzog for letting us know about KH. I just don't think that a heart is enough. Laughing

Hi, Bethany. Smile

I did have super short hair, LOL, but let it all grow out again. I'm on a long hair mission, of sorts, now and am going to see just how long I can grow it while still keeping it healthy. It's going fairly well and it's gotten long fast so I'm happy. Thank goodness for coconut, avocado and jojoba oils - I use one of them on my hair every time I wash it.

Ah, yes, the detox...there are many methods that I use and here are a few:

-Regular magnesium oil foot soaks or very warm baths (can really be a powerful detox so take care)
-Sitz bath (keep body warm and spray cool water on groin area) - this sounds bizarre but works like nothing else I've ever tried for immediate and I mean immediate results. Amazing and my favorite method now.
-Green smoothies most mornings. I mix up a gob of green vegetables along with a bit of fruit and then add my powdered supplements (MSM, etc.)
-MSM (added to green smoothies, as mentioned)
-Use a Chi Machine (kick starts the lymph system)
-Drink loads of water due to all of the above

Smile

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 5:14 am

scalawaggirl wrote:

Okay, I'm off to bed to put more free radical attracting Vita K2 on my face. Wish me luck.

Today's pudding:

BTW, I had breakouts last night (from the Tonic Lotion) and with the Oxygen Face Cream, they are almost completely gone today (easily covered w/one light layer of MMU).

O.M.G.
OKAY okay okay!!! I had put myself on a no-buy but.....

I have been away from EDS for a while but have been checking in on this thread as I've been thinking of cutting back on my beloved TAZORAC for the summer. But I'm nervous to do so as it's honestly been the miracle product for my persistently acne prone skin. I also believe in the anti-aging science behind it.

JoElla answered my email asking for some product recommendations. I think I'm going to order:

The kit with cleanser (Milk), VitAKombi (2) and the scrub. I have to say, though, that I think most scrub products (exception being my beloved Kate Somerville KIAJ) are USELESS -- but I guess I'll give it a whirl.

IN addition, I think the mask and I'll ask for an eye cream sample.

OILY GIRLS - please be honest - do you REALLY see a difference/reduction in surface oil using the products? And, if you use sunscreen, I'm assuming that you use your s/s on top of whatever oxy product in the AM, right? And you really don't get that suffocated feeling (oily gals will understand)

Also - SKALLY - I want to order the OxyBody (bacne) but am nervous about having clothing bleached (a la benzoyl peroxide) -- any issues? Maybe I'll just get the Oxy FAce to use on both body and face...

THANKS everybody!

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 5:25 am

Scotslass, your post was very informative. It is so interesting how different spas use the KH products in different ways. JoElla said that she uses the vitamin H cream before the kombis and you were told to use it after, did they say why?

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 5:40 am

cookie wrote:

Scotslass, your post was very informative. It is so interesting how different spas use the KH products in different ways. JoElla said that she uses the vitamin H cream before the kombis and you were told to use it after, did they say why?

You can apply it before or after depending on your skin's needs:

Vitamin H

“Vitamin H” can be used in 3 ways: 1) As a day and night cream: for enhancing the skin’s elasticity and tone: applied alone, “Vitamin H” gives the skin unparalleled comfort and elasticity! 2) Nourishing cream: applied before one of the “Vita-A-Kombi” creams, “Vitamin H” provides the skin with all its nourishing and beneficial elements. 3) Cream for protection and comfort: applied after one of the “Vita-A-Kombi” creams, “Vitamin H” protects the skin against variations in temperature (ideal in winter !) and helps give dry skin greater comfort during the fisrt applications of “Vita-A-Kombi”.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 6:16 am

cookie wrote:

Scotslass, your post was very informative. It is so interesting how different spas use the KH products in different ways. JoElla said that she uses the vitamin H cream before the kombis and you were told to use it after, did they say why?

Hi cookie - Hope the info helped. I see marina beat me to the punch regarding usage of the Vitamin H Cream. I had just copied the exact same verbiage from the EDS store regarding the three different ways you can use Vitamin H Cream and was about to post it when I noticed it's already here - LOL!

Anyway, when I met the esthetician to discuss my starter routine, my skin was bizarrely dry and had been that way for more than 10 days (this was the first week of April). I was waking up every morning with strange flakies all over the lower part of my face even though I wasn't using any acids, or CP's, or anything that typically dries my skin out. So it was truly odd what was taking place. Based on this, she suggested I use the Vit-H after the VK1 just to make sure that my skin was hydrated and didn't suffer any additional dryness, which she said can occasionally happen with the Vita-Kombi range in the very beginning (even if you use the Vit-H cream beforehand). Now the Distributor that I was talking to before I met the esthetician also advised me to use the Vit-H Cream after the VK1 and this was based on me saying my skin was dry and sensitive on average and potentially really reactive to given ingredients (especially new ones!). I believe that both women suggested this method because the high dose of vitamins in the Vit-H, in addition to the beta-carotene and rosewood oil, acts as a protective layer that continues to nurture and moisturise the skin long after it has been applied following the VK1. Perhaps when you apply the Vit-H Cream before the VK1, it doesn't continue to hydrate quite the same way (as a protective layer), since it is effectively pushed into the skin by the Vita-Kombi product that was applied over it. I don't know this for certain though, as I'm still learning a lot about the line. One thing is for sure though, I continue to find it interesting that these products can be used in so many different ways, but am surprised that the information about the different methods is so inconsistent. Every website I visit offers differing usage instructions. For instance, if you visit Dermstore.com, they advise you use Vitamin H Cream after the Kombi's, whereas if you visit hairboutique.com, or the Herzog UK site, they tell you to apply it before the Kombi's. I have not tried to apply my Vitamin H Cream before the VK1, but might experiment in doing so at a later date. All I can say, is these two products combined together are WAY more effective than either one used alone, in my experience. Smile

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 7:17 am

Hello Enlightened Ones - or KH White Lab Rats - take your pick Laughing

A big Rave to Blues Heart for sending us in this direction. I know I can't thank her enough

I know we all are having tremendous results. I can't keep up with this thread and the great advice and encouragement. but keep it coming!

I am one of the oily skin girls and what I find amazing is how these products work for all of us.
THank you to Scottslass for the advice on the chocolate cleansing cream and for making me have to have (right now!) the Vitamin H.

Isn't it nice to know we can all use this product - just differently in when we apply it (before or after VK's)... As someone oily I will apply before the VK2 and see how that goes. Sounds like dry skin is better with the reverse.

Marla - I am oily and going to try NIA sunscreen - and i think Scaly uses Sofina (is that right Scalawaggirl?). I for one have been experimenting with MMU just to get away from putting a lotion or cream on my face. But I'm not liking the MMU - I think it's covering my glow Laughing

So, back to the drawing board.

Just wanted to check in with you all.
Sis

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 7:32 am

nadjazz wrote:

Scotslass,
Thanks so much for posting all this great info! I have dry, sensitive, rosacea-prone skin. I went to the KH UK site, and found the right protocol for my skin type, BUT I also wanted to incorporate some of the choco products...so you have posted a great starting point for someone like me!

I've been overwhelmed by all the wonderful info on this thread, so your "long" post is actually keeping it short and simple for someone like me! Shock

This is a great thread, and as soon as budget allows, I will be making my KH plunge!

Let me add my thanks to BluesHeart for sharing her find, and to EDS for including it in their product offerings!

Glad to have helped, nadjazz. Smile

I hope you are able to source some samples to test (and tie you over Wink

) until you take the KH plunge! There are so many intriguing products in the line that it IS overwhelming to try and narrow things down to the *basic* products to buy when you're first getting started. I cannot tell you how much I pouted because I didn't receive a sample of the Oxy Mask or Essential Mask when I first began testing the products (the esthetician insisted I not complicate matters until I knew how my skin would react to what she'd given me). I was so anxious to try everything at once though, especially since I'd read so many great things about the masks! Looking back, I am REALLY glad that I didn't incorporate all of the products I wanted to at the very beginning as I would have been completely thrown off if any major reactions had occurred as a result of too many products in the mix. By selecting the basics for your skin type and then acclimating to them for a week or two, it makes it dead easy to introduce another product (one at a time, that is Wink

), in order to know what is working and what isn't.

From my own experience, I saw immediate and beneficial results within 72 hours of using only three products; the chocolate cleanser, VK1, and the Vit-H Cream. My pores were noticeably reduced on my nose and around my NL area, and my skin tone was rapidly evening out. Now my pores haven't shrunken completely, not yet anyway Wink

, but they are improving as time passes. My skin tone is improving more and more as well.

The greatest mind-blowing result for me so far, though, was the recent discovery that a significant darkish freckle/hyperpigmentation mark on my nose (right in the centre of it no less Shock

), has VANISHED completely since I began using the KH products!!! This is major, let me tell you, because within the last few months I became acutely aware of this irksome freckle-mark, and was obsessing about how I was going to get rid of it! It didn't even occur to me that KH was the answer, so this is an unexpected boon! If I wasn't so shy, I'd post before and after snaps as the pictures truly speak for themselves! Maybe as things continue to improve, I'll work up the nerve. Smile

Can't wait to hear how you make out, nadjazz, once you start using some KH products. Us dry, sensitive, rosacea-prone gals have to take it far more slowly than our oily-counterparts, but the cautious approach in the beginning is so worth it!!! I am truly thrilled with my results!

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 8:06 am

sister sweets wrote:

Hello Enlightened Ones - or KH White Lab Rats - take your pick Laughing

A big Rave to Blues Heart for sending us in this direction. I know I can't thank her enough

Marla - I am oily and going to try NIA sunscreen - and i think Scaly uses Sofina (is that right Scalawaggirl?). I for one have been experimenting with MMU just to get away from putting a lotion or cream on my face. But I'm not liking the MMU - I think it's covering my glow Laughing

So, back to the drawing board.

Just wanted to check in with you all.
Sis

Hey, Sis. You're right. I do still use Sofina Nuance Up - have for a long time now and it helps me keep any oil (very little now) at bay. I just have a nice glow from the KH and it doesn't disappear but I use only the slightest amount of MMU. Last pic is the tiniest bit of MMU just to even things with no concealer at all.

marla wrote:

Also - SKALLY - I want to order the OxyBody (bacne) but am nervous about having clothing bleached (a la benzoyl peroxide) -- any issues? Maybe I'll just get the Oxy FAce to use on both body and face...

Marla, the Oxy 3% Body should not bleach your clothes - it has not done that to me at all but I do wait until it is all absorbed before getting dressed, which is easy to do since it's all done in no more than 5-10 minutes. I'm not sure it would be a good use of the Oxy Face for the same purpose as you'll likely run out quickly - also the Oxy Face is not the same % oxygen so not as strong as the Body Cream. HTH.

ETA: I've found that using the Oxy 3% Body is best done 2x/day. Once after a shower and then before bed. This seems to work well for me.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 8:46 am

Scally - MMU recommendations????

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