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Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:16 pm  |
If you go chemical you risk damaging the environment (coral reefs), irritating your own skin, generating free radicals, or just having unstable product, there's also the risk of some sunscreens being estrogenic.
If you go physical you get a white cast, and the zinc/titanium oxides clog pores. If you go micronized there's a risk of free-radical generation (though apparently coating it in silicone is supposed to fix this?).
I feel like I've tried everything, European, Canadian, Japanese sunscreens and have yet to find something that makes me want to use it daily (Which is what I need to be doing). Sofina was the closest but I hate that chalky film left on my skin, and it never washed off properly either. |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:55 am |
I know what you mean. I wish sunscreen wasn't something you have to compromise on so much. Right now I am using Avene's tinosorb SPF 50+ emulsion. I like the emulsion better than the other 50+ one, but it's still not ideal. At least the tinosorb seems effective in preventing recurrence of my hyperpigmentation.
I really hope that someday soon we'll look back on these days as the dark ages of sunscreen, with effective, safe, cosmetically elegant products easily available. A girl can dream, can't she? |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:54 pm |
I understand, lots of sunscreens I have tried are either too greasy, or not that greasy but with a lower factor.
I still enjoy my Kimberly Sawyer moisturizer with sunscreen, but I need one over SPF 40 for days when I am more exposed to the sun. |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:41 pm |
i use shiseido sun lotion 50spf
just open my 4th bottle
love it. |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:55 pm |
| Facial sunscreen is a nightmare for me. Breakout city regardless of brand and I've tried many many brands. I just can't use it. I know it's terrible but I've had really bad cyctic acne since puberty and I don't need to exacerbate the problem. Plus I really don't go out in the sun that often anymore anyway. If I do it's usually a baseball game and I wear a ball cap and huge sunglasses anyway. |
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Cincinnati Ohio...in love with PSF... |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:13 pm |
| edenfield wrote: |
If you go chemical you risk damaging the environment (coral reefs), irritating your own skin, generating free radicals, or just having unstable product, there's also the risk of some sunscreens being estrogenic.
If you go physical you get a white cast, and the zinc/titanium oxides clog pores. If you go micronized there's a risk of free-radical generation (though apparently coating it in silicone is supposed to fix this?).
I feel like I've tried everything, European, Canadian, Japanese sunscreens and have yet to find something that makes me want to use it daily (Which is what I need to be doing). Sofina was the closest but I hate that chalky film left on my skin, and it never washed off properly either. |
What brands have you tried? I kinda feel the same way like you, but only because I don't really know if it's really blocking the Sun or not. How does one really know, right? I apply SS with my fingers crossed, but the brand I like the most is Sunkiller because it's easy to spread, and it doesn't make my face oily looking. |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:32 pm |
I totally agree. I currently use (and constantly rave about) Devita's Solar Protection Creme 30, because it's the only sunscreen I've ever found that was physical yet clear and not totally heavy and greasy. (Thankfully, I don't have issues with it clogging my pores.)
But I'm constantly worried that it doesn't offer enough broad-spectrum protection, and I also have concerns about the absorption of micronized zinc into the body. (I actually have an email out to the makers of Z-Cote about this, but I haven't yet heard back, and I'm not sure how much detail they'll really be willing or able to give me.)
Chemical sunscreens just aren't an option for me -- I'm allergic to most and just reactive to others (I get massive stinging and blotchiness). Plus I've read too many scary studies about the potentially toxic or even carcinogenic nature of so many chemical sunscreen ingredients. |
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32, fair hair/eyes/skin, always a mix of dry/oily/sensitive/acne/clogged pores. But I keep getting compliments on my skin, so something must be working! Beauty blog at http://heliotro.pe; online dating coaching at http://theheartographer.com |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:54 pm |
Sigh. I agree with all of you.
How about a really big parasol? And isn't there some kind of film you can put over your windows to block rays?
sigh
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39, fair combo skin, dark brown hair, acne prone. |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:54 pm |
Ah, this is all so true. Currently I'm using Devita Daily Solar Protective Moisturizer. The texture is nice, no white film... but alas the spf is only 30.  |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:34 pm |
I still don't trust chemical or combination chem/physical sunscreens. I also have only had luck with Sofina Lucent, all other cheap SPF 50 brands are very unstable.
I used to hate Sofina Lucent because I did not have a good oil cleanser and I had initially tried the Nuance version. Now I use it everyday and have overcome my issues with clogged pores and finish.
Do you use a good quality rinse off oil cleanser? There is no other product that will get rid of the film. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:27 am |
| edenfield which Sofina sunscreens have you tried? |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:50 am |
| h.kitty wrote: |
| edenfield which Sofina sunscreens have you tried? |
lucent and nuance up. my dad brings them home for me from hong kong sometimes 
ive also tried sunkiller |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:59 am |
I don't know if you want to give it a try but the White Protect SPF 50+ is IMO not as drying/chalky as the Lucent. I use the Lucent for very humid days but since I found the White Protect I rarely use the Lucent one anymore.
My husband never wore sunscreen until I got him to try the White Protect. Now he uses sunscreen everyday. He has tried the Lucent and has a strong preference for the White Protect. He claims that it is "silkier". His words, not mine. To me when a man uses the word silky to describe a sunscreen I take notice!!!! |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:01 am |
i will give it a try 
i'm not giving up on sunscreens...maybe because i can't lol! |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:02 am |
| Please update after you have tried it. I would like to get your honest opinion on the White Protect! |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:50 am |
| The best that I have tried are Remergent and Osmosis. Neither will leave a white cast or oiliness. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:42 am |
| Does the "White Protect" leave a white residue? Is it physical or chemical? |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:13 am |
Girlzmommie I only notice a white residue when I first apply the White Protect. However, I am quite pale and rarely notice a white residue from any sunscreen.
The White Protect is mostly physical and part chemical (octinoxate). |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:19 am |
| I was pleased to see on the EWG website that tinosorb has the highest safety rating--a green light "zero" for safety concerns. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:39 am |
| sgresnic - Thanks for the link to the cosmetics database info on sunscreen safety. Just like what is being said in this thread, even that site is confusing -- high score for health hazard + low score for sun hazard = low score? 6 + 0 = 2? What's up with that? Then there is a footnote about zinc & titanium possibly being nano scale in some of the products. It's shameful that the industry cannot produce an easy to read, definitive guide to sunscreens. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:25 am |
| Jax wrote: |
| sgresnic - Thanks for the link to the cosmetics database info on sunscreen safety. Just like what is being said in this thread, even that site is confusing -- high score for health hazard + low score for sun hazard = low score? 6 + 0 = 2? What's up with that? Then there is a footnote about zinc & titanium possibly being nano scale in some of the products. It's shameful that the industry cannot produce an easy to read, definitive guide to sunscreens. |
you're right - it's very confusing. I looked up a couple of things, including Dr. Hauschka lip balm (can't remember which one, stick or pot). They had given it a fairly high hazard score. When you look at the breakdown, the score was elevated because of "fragrance." What does that mean?
It is so frustrating, confusing, and time consuming... |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:13 pm |
I too am sick of wearing sunscreen so I have been using mineral makeup as my protection on the face. I dont have the breakouts like I used too or the seepage into the eyes. I wear sunscreen protected clothes now unfashionable as they may be.
I experimented with raspberry seed oil for the natural sunscreen properties and have to say it does seem to work. Unfortunately, it made my collars stained. And the oil doesnt have an official SPF rating though some reports say about 34SPF but I could be wrong. However it is cheap to buy. I got mine fromwww.gardenofwisdom.com
Also I am thinking of trying to get protection through food with antioxidants. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:43 pm |
Thank you for this link. I find it very interesting and educational. I forwarded the link to all my friends.
I didn't see Sunkiller on their list or La Roche Posay. Or did I miss it? I almost bought Ombrelle. Now that I saw it, I'm glad I didn't buy it. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:58 pm |
Finding a great facial sunscreen is like searching for the holy grail. I tried many over the past 18 years and finally found "the one" for me.www.niadyne.com. I love this sunscreen for many reasons.
1. completely physical; I don't have to worry about the stability of chemicals and reapplying on top of makekup.
2. light, feathery texture that makes me WANT to use it every day
3. contains 5% pro-niacin. I've read a few rather compelling studies that it promotes skin barrier repair. Please note that I'm not a scientist, but their studies appeal to my common sense
4. does not break me out or clog pores [but I do use oil to remove it everyday]
5. contains silicone, leaving a nice and smooth finish; also fills the bill as a makeup primer for this reason.
6. dries fairly matte and the white cast eventually fades away.
7. Best of all, at $55 USD [less if you can find it on ebay] for 3.4 oz, it's affordable enough that I can apply this to face, neck and chest without trying to "conserve" it.
I think my search is over! If you send an email off of their web page, they'll send you samples. And ooh, EDS also carries this line as well even better bonus! |
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44 – combo/oily skin with a tendency towards clogged pores. Thanks to EDS, tweaked my skincare routine and normalized skin… no more breakouts. PSF, silk powder, Janson Beckett, Cellbone, NIA24 are staples. |
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