Report: What has the DERMAROLLER done for you.
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free skin care · Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:35 pm

Catballou - I hear you on the pain, sigh. I have to drink the whole darn bottle just to get through the pain...it is unbearable.

I am wondering what topicals you applied after you rolled? It is possible that irritants entered that way, or possibly when you rolled?

BTW, eczema is often treated successfully with anti-fungals...I have had a systemic yeast infection for 20+ years, and recently had a MAJOR rash outbreak in a variety of areas due to too many carbs causing the yeast to flourish (including that darn wine...no dermarolling for me at the moment!).

In doing some research over the last month, I kept seeing the correlation between yeast and eczema come up....you might want to consider a course of Diflucan which impacts any in your bloodstream, or you could do sublingual Oil of Oregano to get it into your bloodstream (most yeast treatments just treat your digestive systems, but that won't work if you have rashes).

free skin care · Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:17 am

Hi, (((Bethany))). I can't remember exactly the steps I followed, but I was glued to the Dermaroller threads during that time, doing everything just right, and I treated the whole procedure as if it were major surgery.

Yes, I remember now it was you who can drink the whole bottle! Very Happy

Hey, I'm just jealous, but I'm a very cheap date.

I'll try adding the Oil of Oregano to my morning arsenal of nutrients. If I can avoid it, I don't take meds.
Regards,
cat

free skin care · Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:44 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

*****BUMP*****

Anybody want to offer input on the original thread question;

What has the DERMAROLLER done for you?

Many thanks!

Nothing! I did not have any bad experiences, but nothing good, either.

free skin care · Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:04 pm

Here are my results, as previously posted on the Dermaroller thread. My current protocol is rolling every 3 months.

bethany wrote:

Rolling History:
I did a series of 6 rolls (1 per week) starting in mid-May with a 1.0mm Dr. Roller and 1.0mm 3Line Dr. Roller and then took a 90 day break. I now only roll once every 4-6 weeks, and will not be taking future breaks.

Topicals:
The only topicals I use when rolling are RA (face and arms only), and 302 A Boost and Lightening Drops on all areas for the next 3 days in order to replicate Dr. Fernandes' professional protocol (though he actually uses the Environ EssentiA Oil). I have used CPs, but don't think they are essential at all.

I was also using 302 topicals on a daily basis, along with RA 1x a week....including when I was on my 90 day rolling break.

Dermarolling Results:
After a total of 4 months, I saw:
- 90% of my crowsfeet eliminated
- 75% of my glabellas (11's) eliminated
- 30% of my forehead lines eliminated and the rest softened
- 97% of my milia eliminated
- 80% of a neck/collarbone line eliminated
- 80% of the pigmentation eliminated from my hands

I had a VISIA Complexion Analysis done on 9/18 that showed the following, and I will be using this as a baseline for future improvement.
- Fine lines and wrinkles - 99%
- Hyperpigmentation (age/dark spots) - 73%
- Enlarged pores - 97%
- Texture (skin smoothness) - 85%
- Sun damage (UV spots) - 105 counted in the designated area

I have been very fortunate to see results of this magnitude so quickly, especially since I roll way less than most people. And I am definitely expecting/hoping to see more improvement over the next 12 months.

However, though many people do not see these results unless they roll more frequently, and for a longer time period. However, 6 to 7 months seems to be the point where most people start seeing results.

free skin care · Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:05 am

Hi Bethany! I've been following your posts in the other Dermaroller thread, and I am in awe of the amount of research you've done and the results you've gotten! However, the thread was far too long for me to read from beginning to end, so I was wondering if you could offer me some advice please?

I have quite a few reddish/purple folding lines on my neck and am interested in dermarolling them away as TCA peels haven't had much of an effect. What topicals do you suggest I use in conjunction with the rolling? And how long of a needle do you think is safe to use without poking a hole in my windpipe (is this possible)?

I have previously tried dermarolling my thighs for drainage and cellulite at a salon, with impressive albeit very temporary results. Although it make no difference on the cellulite, I was noticably slimmer for the 3 mths that I had the treatments (once/wk). The salon charged me far too much for me to afford the treatments on a regular basis, and I've been trying to replicate the results at home without any success. Most importantly I could never figure out what brand of topical solution the therapist used on me when rolling.

In any case, my priority right now are my neck lines, and I'd appreciate any input you can offer, thanks in advance!

free skin care · Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:15 am

Swan - I'll reply to you over on the dermarolling thread.

free skin care · Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:46 am

Thanks Bethany!

Tue May 05, 2009 3:42 pm

Bumping!! Hoping to get some results from the long time rollers. This thread would only be for results...Any questions, advice should be directed to the dermarolling thread.

We were saying on the dermarolling thread..how it was a shame that this thread was abandoned as it would be nice to have a place where long time rollers could list their updated protocols along with the results that they received.

We were also aware that this thread may have been abandoned since people were asking for advice and suggestions instead of using it for only results. So it would be great if we could get rollers to post their results and protocols on this thread and we remind new rollers that all questions should be asked (advice, etc) on the dermaroller thread.....

Thanks!!!

free skin care · Fri May 08, 2009 7:26 am

One thing I noticed with my first roll (about 45 days ago) is how much more even my skin is. I never really thought of my skin tone as uneven before, but wow it really makes a difference. I have one area on the outer left forehead that I never used the roller on and I can clearly see a difference between the opposite area of my forehead. I used tazorac after I rolled and I do think this helped quite a lot.

free skin care · Fri May 08, 2009 8:18 am

I have had a dermal rolling facial in a spa. It was part of several treatments which resulted in very distressed skin (it was better after 3 days). I have also read most of this thread but I can't actually say I understand this method.

Are the benefits a result of what you put on your skin after rolling, because of improved penetration?

Is the rolling itself, with no products applied to skin, beneficial? Since it's not very pleasant to roll my face, I'm debating whether to buy it or not.

free skin care · Fri May 08, 2009 11:09 am

Well, I've used tazorac for a few years and I've never had the similar results from just tazorac. I think the tazorac increases the benefits caused by the wound response after you derma roll.

free skin care · Fri May 08, 2009 11:31 am

I did four weekly rolls with a 1.0mm, finishing up mid-March. I had used Retin-a in preparation for three months before hand, C-serum~roughly two months, and I've continued to use both topicals to this day.

I understand it may be too soon to see any results, but I have noticed forehead and lower cheek *tracks* where I may have been too aggressive? I'm praying that the collagen build *fills* these areas in. I do not see any difference in some ice pick acne scars I have, nor in the hyperpigmentation~I'm wondering if I need to go to the 1.5mm. I am going to wait until, at least, the 4 month mark to make a determination regarding size.

free skin care · Sat May 09, 2009 10:27 am

I have some acne scars that look larger now than they did before. I have a few boxcar and icepick scars and some scarred pores that are all
in the cheek area, near my nose and mouth. For now I'm going to lay off rolling in these areas.

In the future I'll do a test area with a single small diameter needle on a tiny scarred area .(I think you can use diabetic needles or tattoo needles for this, there's more information on acne.org) I'm too paranoid too use the dermaroller again for this. I'm thinking a very small diameter single needle would be ok to try. Oh, and don't use a diabetic lancet- I believe the lancet is beveled and can cause scarring.

I've had great results with the roller elsewhere but it may be that I'm especially prone to scarring on my cheek area? The acne scars aren't bad enough to really bother me that much but I sure don't want to make them worse.

free skin care · Sat May 09, 2009 4:49 pm

The Dermaroller did nothing at all for my skin, likely because I didn't "dig" deep enough. I decided to let it go because I didn't want to cause low-grade inflammation on a continuous basis and wreck my skin.

Lagomorph, do you have something to do with bunnies?

free skin care · Sun May 10, 2009 8:03 am

Lagomorph, do you have something to do with bunnies?

Yes, I have a mini rex. She's spayed and uses a litter box. She doesn't have a cage so I'm into some serious rabbit proofing. She even sleeps on my bed at night. Laughing

free skin care · Sun May 10, 2009 8:19 am

Lagomorph, I thought so! I have had house-trained bunnies as well, both Dutch and mini-lops. I adore rabbits.

back to topic, you mentioned that you had great success with the Dermaroller elsewhere. Could you please expand a little?

free skin care · Sun May 10, 2009 8:50 am

Well, my skin tone is much more even. I'm prone to dark bluish circles under my eyes and this area looks a lot better, especially the inner corners of my eyes. The skin looks pinker, less blue, and thicker.
Of course, you can't use a roller for the inner corners so I used a softap device with just a few needles. This area is easy to do because it's not painful at all unlike the rest of the eye area. (there's more info on the softap in the dermastamp device thread- I don't really recommend it though, it's probably just as simple to use a single needle.)

free skin care · Wed May 13, 2009 11:55 am

polkadot wrote:

My rolling technique- I numb up an area with ice as long as I can stand it, I want it good and numb so I can really roll. I roll a little quickly so the numbing doesn't wear off. I go up and down, side to side and diagonally. I try to do 20 rolls in each direction( up 1, down2 etc...)I roll a little more on the places that need it, nasal folds, scars and the 11's between the eyes. Basically I just try to put as many hole's in my face that I can stand. Wink

I don't use any actives, I have retin A but I stay pink when I use it. I just roll and then I am very gentle with my skin.
I do take lots of vitamins. A multi,1000 mg's C 3x's a day, Vit e, Hyaluronic acid 100mg 2x's a day, msm, cod liver oil,Alpha lipoic acid and a few more. I do think the Vitamin C and the Hyaluronic acid are important.
I think I probably wouldn't have gotten scaring in the first place if my diet had been better. When I was young I had a horrible diet and rarely ate anything with vitamin C. As you all know Vit C is so important for collagen. When the acne damaged my skin I didn't have any vitamin c in my system to re-build my collagen. This just my theory. Very Happy

For the first time in my life I haven't been using anything on my face at night. I use a frownie between my eyes, but that's it.
Hope that answered your questions.
I really hope others post their success stories!!!

Polkadot said:

"I use a frownie between my eyes"

Does anyone know what a 'frownie' is?

TIA Inky

free skin care · Wed May 13, 2009 12:07 pm

http://www.frownies.com/

they're ok.

free skin care · Wed May 13, 2009 7:56 pm

Inky you could just use tape. Much cheaper and does the exact same thing. I've been sleeping with tape under my eyes for sleep lines for years now.

free skin care · Wed May 13, 2009 8:23 pm

I have used .25 for 3 days, am I a bit crazy that I use it morning and night? I use on my face and neck.

I am also using Obagi.(started in mid-March 09)

Result : although only 3 days, I am very very happy with the result, my skin looks so smooth.

Am I rolling too much?

Another question, I have to wear make-up in the morning, I am afraid the foundation will go deep to my skin. Any advice?

Tue May 26, 2009 9:09 am

Last February I started rolling my face and chest with a 1mm MTS roller. I rolled every other week for approximately 6 weeks in conjunction with my STOP. I loved the initial results! I am unsure if it was the roller or my stop. Yet, within 6 weeks I started getting these odd pimples! Hard and random places deep within my skin. Not regular whiteheads but, very hard and lingering for weeks! I stopped using the roller and STOP in late March because while firmness seemed better....the hard pimples were crazy.
Did anyone get these from rolling? Could it have been some sort of odd collagen formation? I am at a loss. I really want to start back with rolling and the STOP but, I am concerned about acquiring more of these odd pimples.
Thanks!

free skin care · Tue May 26, 2009 10:25 am

Mishey wrote:

Inky you could just use tape. Much cheaper and does the exact same thing. I've been sleeping with tape under my eyes for sleep lines for years now.

Where exactly do you apply it?

free skin care · Tue May 26, 2009 10:27 am

mlredo wrote:

Last February I started rolling my face and chest with a 1mm MTS roller. I rolled every other week for approximately 6 weeks in conjunction with my STOP. I loved the initial results! I am unsure if it was the roller or my stop. Yet, within 6 weeks I started getting these odd pimples! Hard and random places deep within my skin. Not regular whiteheads but, very hard and lingering for weeks! I stopped using the roller and STOP in late March because while firmness seemed better....the hard pimples were crazy.
Did anyone get these from rolling? Could it have been some sort of odd collagen formation? I am at a loss. I really want to start back with rolling and the STOP but, I am concerned about acquiring more of these odd pimples.
Thanks!

You probably need to space the two treatments out. It sounds like you were getting counter-reactions between the two.

free skin care · Fri May 29, 2009 12:38 pm

For those of you who are interested in treating thinning and wrinkling on your hands, I've had good luck with dermarolling. (I'll post this in the hands thread too.) Here is a link to my hand photos; I'm in the middle of the rolling protocol.

http://flickr.com/gp/25893073@N04/0Ak82Z

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