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Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:34 am      Reply with quote
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I have major sinus issues. I wish I felt any type of drainage, but I do not. Sad


I guess I am just odd! Confused Thanks erg! Smile

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I think I remember KAssy saying that she feels lymph drainage

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I think I remember KAssy saying that she feels lymph drainage


Yes she has, my sinuses clear out also when I do my treatments (treats). I am not complaining, it is a blessed relief! Very Happy

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:25 pm      Reply with quote
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Luminosity,

I won't take credit,

They are listed on the LightStim site as outside references which they are and yes they are applicable to all LED's for skin care. Very Happy

Here is one of the studies/abstracts:

Abstract
Background and Objectives
Photomodulation has been described as a process which modifies cell activity using light sources without thermal effect. The objective of this study was to investigate the use of a non-thermal low dose light emitting diode (LED) array for improving the appearance of photoaged subjects.

Study Design/Materials and Methods
This prospective study investigated a random cohort of patients (N = 90) with a wide range of photoaged skin treated by LED photomodulation® using a full panel 590 nm non-thermal full face LED array delivering 0.1 J/cm2 with a specific sequence of pulsing. Subjects were evaluated at 4, 8, 12, 18 weeks and 6 and 12 months after a series of 8 treatments delivered over 4 weeks. Data collected included stereotactic digital imaging, computerized optical digital profilometry, and peri-ocular biopsy histologic evaluations for standard stains and well as collagen synthetic and degradative pathway immunofluorescent staining.

Results
Digital imaging data showed a reduction of signs of photoaging in 90% of subjects with smoother texture, reduction of peri-orbital rhytids, and reduction of erythema and pigmentation. Optical profilometry showed a 10% improvement by surface topographical measurements. Histologic data showed markedly increased collagen in the papillary dermis of 100% of post-treatment specimens (N = 10). Staining with anti-collagen I antibodies demonstrated a 28% (range: 10%–70%) average increase in density while staining with anti-matrixmetalloproteinase (MMP)-1 showed an average reduction of 4% (range: 2%–40%). No side effects or pain were noted.

Conclusions
Photomodulation to reverse photoaging is possible with a specific array of LEDs with a specific fluence using a precise pulsing or “code” sequence. Skin textural improvement by digital imaging and surface profilometry is accompanied by increased collagen I deposition with reduced MMP-1 (collagenase) activity in the papillary dermis. This technique is a safe and effective non-painful non-ablative modality for improvement of photoaging. © 2005 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

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I know the specific range (wave length) is important regarding what is effective and what the use is intended for.

I recall Keliu and some others are using the DPL and happy with it due to it being a much shorter treatment time, Hopefully one of the owners of that will pop in and give you more information on them. Very Happy



Oh in other words these "studies" are not unbiased and peer-reviewed research, huh?
More like marketing? Can you post the actual study and the source please? Not just what whoever wrote it calls the "abstract"? thank you.

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:35 pm      Reply with quote
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Oh in other words these "studies" are not unbiased and peer-reviewed research, huh?
More like marketing? Can you post the actual study and the source please? Not just what whoever wrote it calls the "abstract"? thank you.


References
The next article deals directly with the Anti-Aging benefits of LED Light Therapy or LED Light Therapy
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/109865135/ABSTRACT

Studies by NASA and the Navy Seals
http://www.totalbodysolutionsinc.com/articles/nasaarticle.pdf

The link below features Dr. Harry T. Whelan, who constantly comes up in medical studies. In addition to all the healing properties this article mentions another important issue. Once in a while, but not very often, we are asked if LED lights can be harmful to ones eye sight. We have not found any medical tests suggesting that or any spas, estheticians or Dermotologist (all of which use these lights everyday) having every experienced that. At the very end of this article it speaks of Dr. Whelan and some other doctors doing a trial using LED light to help with the current leading cause of blindness in the US!
http://www.mcw.edu/display/docid4148/CancerCenterNewsFeb252008/MedicalResearchersApplyNASASpaceTechnologytoCancer.htm

More on Dr. Whelan's work with LEDs
http://www.usaweekend.com/07_issues/070204/070204health.html

The links below have more information at the bottom of page one about Dr. Whelan study with blindness
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2003/10/60786

NASA 2000 Report, NASA Space Technology Shines Light on Healing
http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/news/news/releases/2000/00-336.html

WebMD, Doctors Unveil a Quick, Easy Solution to Aging Skin
http://www.webmd.com/news/20010305/doctors-unveil-quick-easy-solution-to-aging-skin

iEnhance.com, "Your Skin"
http://www.ienhance.com/article/Detail.asp?ArtID=125

Wired News, Light at the End of the Tunnel
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2003/10/60786

On blue and red LEDs for acne
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17111415
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16766484
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16249142

On blue LEDs for acne
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16581683

High intensity, narrow band, blue light for acneHigh intensity, narrow band, blue light for acne
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12850803

Blue and red light for acne
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10809858

Red light for acne
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17903156

LED for photo-aged skin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16989189

LED for reversal of photo-aged skin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15654716

LED for Photo-aged skin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17760698

LED for facial skin rejuvenation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16414908

LED for facial rejuvenation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16176771

LED for reversal of photo-aged skin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15624743

LED for non-melanoma skin cancers
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18353089

LED for protection from sun (like a sunscreen effect)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18306161

LED for wound healing
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18199948

NASA LED for wound healing
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11776448

Another LED for wounds study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17508845

Another wound study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16503782

LED for diabetic burn healing
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14651792

LED for cellulite
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17558758

LED treatment for skin reactions from radiation treatment for breast cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17311276

LED illumination for taking pictures to evaluate acne
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17026661

LED illumination for assistance in dermatology digital photography evaluation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16420533

Red LED activates immune response
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16641531

Pain relief with LED
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15895289

Shows collagen being created by fibroblast cell
http://preview-publish.exigo.com:80/public/1428/websites/113/images/ahc06_news_articles_skincare_collagen.jpg

What the sections look like
http://www.talkacne.com/image_01/products/Skin_Structure1.jpg

Shows the large area that collagen and elastin actually make up
http://www.mydr.com.au/content/images/categories/skinhair/skinstructure.gif

This shows excellant drawings and description of how acne occurs and the bacteria that is killed by blue LEDs and it speaks ofinflamation which is reduced by the red LEDs
http://www.dermassists.com/acne/images/index.1.jpg

This is a good image of how to treat acne with blue leds and what occurs. it just needs a light and rays added
http://www.laser-derm.com/Pictures/scan0001bbbbb.jpg

http://www.lightstim.com/led-therapy-references.html

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:42 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks DM for taking the time to post these studies. I wish this thread would get back to best practices.

Edit to add: seems like some are hell bent on derailing it.

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Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:58 pm      Reply with quote
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Thanks DM for taking the time to post these studies. I wish this thread would get back to best practices.

Edit to add: seems like some are hell bent on derailing it.


I know erg, and I did point out the other thread discussing the science of LEDS to another, maybe Havana can move both posts over there! Smile

In the meantime I am happily enjoying my photon sessions! Laughing

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I photons too.

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I photons too.


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Hi all, I'm finally looking at buying a LightStim and was going to take up the highly attractive QVC offer BUT they don't ship to Australia so I am ineligible to purchase from them. Shock

Does anyone have an EDS discount code for http://store.lightstim.com or any other ideas on how to get this elusive little gadget and save money? Bad Grin

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Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:23 am      Reply with quote
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Hi all, I'm finally looking at buying a LightStim and was going to take up the highly attractive QVC offer BUT they don't ship to Australia so I am ineligible to purchase from them. Shock

Does anyone have an EDS discount code for http://store.lightstim.com or any other ideas on how to get this elusive little gadget and save money? Bad Grin

TIA

OR if someone can tell me who I should email to ask? Anxious
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Katstrut wrote:
Hi all, I'm finally looking at buying a LightStim and was going to take up the highly attractive QVC offer BUT they don't ship to Australia so I am ineligible to purchase from them. Shock

Does anyone have an EDS discount code for http://store.lightstim.com or any other ideas on how to get this elusive little gadget and save money? Bad Grin

TIA

OR if someone can tell me who I should email to ask? Anxious


I believe Kassy posted earlier in the thread the owners email as steve@lightstim.com if that does not go through it is on the thread in the last 15-20 pages!

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Katstrut wrote:
Hi all, I'm finally looking at buying a LightStim and was going to take up the highly attractive QVC offer BUT they don't ship to Australia so I am ineligible to purchase from them. Shock

Does anyone have an EDS discount code for http://store.lightstim.com or any other ideas on how to get this elusive little gadget and save money? Bad Grin

TIA

OR if someone can tell me who I should email to ask? Anxious


I believe Kassy posted earlier in the thread the owners email as steve@lightstim.com if that does not go through it is on the thread in the last 15-20 pages!


Thanks DM, I conducted a search and read many pages on this thread, I did find a couple for my efforts but they didn't work.

I'll try emailing Steve. Pray

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Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:19 pm      Reply with quote
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Hi all, I'm finally looking at buying a LightStim and was going to take up the highly attractive QVC offer BUT they don't ship to Australia so I am ineligible to purchase from them. Shock

Does anyone have an EDS discount code for http://store.lightstim.com or any other ideas on how to get this elusive little gadget and save money? Bad Grin

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Before Lightstim was sold on QVC Steve offered a 10% discount to EDS forum members. I haven't heard anything to the contrary, so I assume you would be able to get it.

You would have to call the 800# on the website, and order/inquire through customer service. Tell them you are an EDS forum member and ask for the 10% discount. At one time they also offered a substantial discount on the purchase of 2 LED's, but I have no clue if they still do. Personally, I think the QVC price is outstanding.. (I paid plenty more than that for my 1st three purchases..Crying or Very sad )

Have you checked on Ebay for a used one?

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Katstrut wrote:
Hi all, I'm finally looking at buying a LightStim and was going to take up the highly attractive QVC offer BUT they don't ship to Australia so I am ineligible to purchase from them. Shock

Does anyone have an EDS discount code for http://store.lightstim.com or any other ideas on how to get this elusive little gadget and save money? Bad Grin

TIA


Before Lightstim was sold on QVC Steve offered a 10% discount to EDS forum members. I haven't heard anything to the contrary, so I assume you would be able to get it.

You would have to call the 800# on the website, and order/inquire through customer service. Tell them you are an EDS forum member and ask for the 10% discount. At one time they also offered a substantial discount on the purchase of 2 LED's, but I have no clue if they still do. Personally, I think the QVC price is outstanding.. (I paid plenty more than that for my 1st three purchases..Crying or Very sad )

Have you checked on Ebay for a used one?


Thanks Kassy,

I was not sure about the discount it was ages ago I contacted Steve when a hmmmmm supposed friend wanted my to buy a 2 for deal! Wink

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Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:52 pm      Reply with quote
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I think I remember KAssy saying that she feels lymph drainage


I felt much more in the years past than I do now.. In the 1st year or so I actually felt like I had a post nasal drip, and could feel the fluids dripping down my throat, and at at the outside portion of my neck on both sides..

BUT, I'd also disclose that I do little preparations before and after my LED treatments, and they could certainly play a part.

1. I always drink a glass of water pre and post
2. I steam my face/neck/chest over a big pot of boiling water prior to my treatments for about 5 minutes. (Makes my nose run like crazy..lol)
3. At the end of my treatment I apply a lotion brimming with beneficial actives, top it off with oils, and massage, massage, massage.. along to one of my favorite u-tube lymphatic massage videos.

ETA: My fav video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM5v8PPjt0 There are scads of good ones.

I only get to it 2 or 3 times most months lately, so I really try to allow myself a good 2 hours of pampering. (In a perfect world I'd be very happy with 2 times a week.)

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Since I started using LED, my dry eye syndrome has improved - so much that I no longer need to use saline drops. I thought that it was probably coincidental - but then someone who is an opthamologist posted on the thread that LED therapy around the eyes has been shown to improve tear duct stimulation or some such thing!

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Since I started using LED, my dry eye syndrome has improved - so much that I no longer need to use saline drops. I thought that it was probably coincidental - but then someone who is an opthamologist posted on the thread that LED therapy around the eyes has been shown to improve tear duct stimulation or some such thing!

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I was skimming the massive quantities of lightstim pages and seem to recall that some of you ladies have used topical vitamin c before lightstimming...wondering if anyone has had good results with this ( I am thinking just vitamin c and h20) as a pre-treatment..thanks for any information. i am using green tea capsules mixed with water off an on as a pre treatment right now.

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Question for lightstim users...

I ordered my AALS during the promotion end of April. I have used 6 days a week for the last two months. Last week, I decided to take a break.

I started back up and it seems like it has kick started the results again. Meaning, that when I first started AALS I noticed a significant change in the color of my skin... creamy, glowy. Then it tapered off. After a week break, I see great results again.

I believe I read somewhere that after the initial period, it is best to use the AALS only a few times a week.

What are your experiences?

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Question for lightstim users...

I ordered my AALS during the promotion end of April. I have used 6 days a week for the last two months. Last week, I decided to take a break.

I started back up and it seems like it has kick started the results again. Meaning, that when I first started AALS I noticed a significant change in the color of my skin... creamy, glowy. Then it tapered off. After a week break, I see great results again.

I believe I read somewhere that after the initial period, it is best to use the AALS only a few times a week.

What are your experiences?


I did the every day for (shhhh don't tell Kassy) maybe 2-3 weeks and then cut back to 2-3 times a week and results are just getting better erg.

I guess we really have to stick with it? Wink

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yea.. I guess less is more.
I think I am going to do it now 3x4 times per week.

i am still using on bare skin or a quick spray of OSEA Sea Vitamin Boost

Edit to Add: I thought for the first month it was suppose to be everyday... Question

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yea.. I guess less is more.
I think I am going to do it now 3x4 times per week.

i am still using on bare skin or a quick spray of OSEA Sea Vitamin Boost

Edit to Add: I thought for the first month it was suppose to be everyday... Question


You may be right erg, I am bad about directions sometimes, I thought a week but I have been wrong before!

I have done bare faced (naked) or with a GT and antiox serum mix! Very Happy

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I have only been using the lightstim for a few weeks, but I do see a definite improvement on my lips and eyes.
While i am in my fifties, i do not have crows feet but do have sort of drooping eyelids that make my eyes look smaller. Also puffy undereyes.
I have seen a positive change in that my eye lids are more elastic and opened. Undereye skin texture is improving. In the morning my eyes just look flat out better.
I just set my i phone for a three minute alarm and do some surfing on the net for the half hour or so i am doing it.
I will be curious to see if it helps with my forehead wrinkles.
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I have only been using the lightstim for a few weeks, but I do see a definite improvement on my lips and eyes.
While i am in my fifties, i do not have crows feet but do have sort of drooping eyelids that make my eyes look smaller. Also puffy undereyes.
I have seen a positive change in that my eye lids are more elastic and opened. Undereye skin texture is improving. In the morning my eyes just look flat out better.
I just set my i phone for a three minute alarm and do some surfing on the net for the half hour or so i am doing it.
I will be curious to see if it helps with my forehead wrinkles.


This sounds like me minus the puffy eyes and I am 58! I agree I am seeing improvement with the LightStim and too funny, many of us seem to use our iPhone as a timer! Very Happy

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